Question... couldn't you make a flash app with live streaming? (you can set the frame rate and frame size)
On Aug 5, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Sales Department wrote: > Has it occurred to anyone that maybe it is not in Adobe's best > interest > to allow anyone to use FME for any purpose other than to stream to > FMS? > If I were Adobe, I wouldn't sell FME separately unless the whole world > moved to another platform and I didn't want to be left behind. FME > is a > differentiator - probably one of their last ones too. > > > > Luke Scott wrote: >> Why don't they just put a price tag on FME for separate purchase, and >> then just include it with FMS? >> >> On Aug 5, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Kevin Towes wrote: >> >> >>> Michael - >>> >>> The EULA limits FME to stream LIVE content only to FMS, period. >>> BTW - >>> FMS funds the development of FME, and if people are using FME >>> without >>> FMS, then we may have to consider putting a price tag on FME to >>> offset >>> the development and CODEC licensing costs for the next generation >>> of the >>> product, what do you think about that solution? >>> >>> If you can't agree to those terms of the EULA, then I would >>> recommend >>> you uninstall, or create a project that produces a live feed to >>> Red5. >>> >>> BTW - both the Firebird and Camero are owned by GM (Pontiac and >>> Cheverolet). >>> >>> Kev. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of MichaelChan >>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:24 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Red5] Flash Media Encoder >>> >>> Kev >>> I am not a legal profession but please hear my translation based on >>> what >>> I see from the licensing provision and point out some weasel word >>> that >>> might have no teeth when it comes to push in court and like to hear >>> your >>> response. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 12:47 -0700, Kevin Towes wrote: >>> >>>> Michael. If you read the EULA you will see the following >>>> definition >>>> >>> in >>> >>>> section 1. I think it's pretty explicit and not ambiguous at all: >>>> >>>> "Flash Media Server" means Adobe's proprietary software that >>>> streams >>>> audio, video and data over the Internet and IP networks and can be >>>> >>> used >>> >>>> to create Web-based interactive media applications." >>>> >>> In a legal arena, the combined word of Flash Media Server is >>> branded as >>> Adobe solution? or Adobe will named its server as Adobe Flash Media >>> Server in the real world, >>> To address the court with reasoning, one will ask how does Adobe >>> claim >>> in marketing its product? >>> Adobe Flash Media Server or Flash Media Server without mentioned the >>> name. >>> The language used in the licensing agreement here will consider >>> broad >>> coverage but it is somewhat confusing. >>> I am in no way trying to break licensing agreement but only point >>> out >>> the weak point of such provision. >>> In the developing of advance technology along with rapid changes, >>> this >>> provision will be consider to be one of many that will acted against >>> improvement of advance technologies. >>> I consider the following in an argument platform. >>> Many developers used FME in creating AVI or Mpeg2 or media files and >>> converted it to FLV files for media flash player to play under >>> the SWF >>> extension. >>> Now the flv can be play under the format of FMS platform or RED5 >>> platform, however, the RED5 is not the actual server that holds the >>> FLV, >>> but it simply pulls the flv files from a central repository server >>> that >>> received media files from other flv producers. My question here : >>> Where is the break of licensing agreement? >>> since the FME is only in producing FLV files for FMS, and Red5 is >>> not >>> FMS but a server that can broadcast FLV files. >>> >>> Red5 stated on their site the following: >>> "Red5 is *not* a replacement for fcs/fms, and is thus not "a FMS." >>> >>> FME license user produce FLV file using FME, the user deposit the >>> file >>> into a repository server which is not a FMS but storage server only, >>> Now Red5 will pull FLV file from the storage server which can be >>> produced by other FLV encoders such as MING, Moyea SWF, >>> >>> It is legal to have a product done by reverse engineering and the >>> argument here is a reference between Ford and GM (Firebird and >>> Camero), >>> the only distinction between the two model is the pointed nose of >>> Firebird and the flat grill of Camero from looking outside without >>> looking under the hood and inside, both look the same from outside. >>> Red5 is a project that will change over time and these changes will >>> also >>> provide advance changes to our daily life and might improve some >>> people >>> with great impact to their life. >>> If we pit the Adobe FME licensing agreement compare against the >>> Microsoft window IE deployment to OEM vendors (United State Supreme >>> Court ruled that such licensing is consider to be monopolized in >>> nature.) >>> Such argument is considered weight heavy to a company who might >>> considered to be dominate player. >>> My questions to the Adobe group are in two parts: >>> 1. Where is the break of licensing? >>> 2. Does this licensing fall within the MS case US supreme court >>> ruling? >>> >>> >>>> You will also see this in section 4.3: >>>> >>>> "4.3 General Restrictions. When used for streaming the Encoded >>>> >>> Content >>> >>>> to the Flash Media Server, you may only use the Software to stream >>>> Encoded Content to the Flash Media Server. You may not use the >>>> >>> Software >>> >>>> in any way to create a server, executable, or other program that >>>> will >>>> steam or deliver data and/or content from a client to a server, >>>> from a >>>> server to another server, or from a server to a client. " >>>> >>>> Kev. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Michael Chan >>>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:30 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] Flash Media Encoder >>>> >>>> Kev >>>> Just to be sure that we are not in any way disrespect the software >>>> licensing but to be sure that you are not misleading other in >>>> comply >>>> with some provision that is not specific in nature and it is to >>>> allow >>>> users free to choose of preference. >>>> In this 2.1, Adobe only stated that FME must work in conjunction >>>> with >>>> FMS (Red5 is a FMS) and Adobe did not stated in this published >>>> article >>>> that for whoever use the FME, they must also required to use >>>> "Adobe" >>>> brand FMS, if this article become part or is part of the >>>> distribution >>>> license, and Adobe willing to allow users to use FMS without >>>> specifically required all users registered to use Adobe brand FMS, >>>> therefore it is fair to say Adobe itself knowing some users are >>>> using >>>> Red5 to be the FMS. >>>> If you know some legal cases that Adobe won in the past for such >>>> violation, please provide us with detail or link for such to >>>> support >>>> your comment so this community can benefit. >>>> MC >>>> On Fri, 2007-03-08 at 21:27 -0700, Kevin Towes wrote: >>>> >>>>> In the quote I sent earlier it states "solely to capture >>>>> >>>> video...and... >>>> >>>>> stream the Encoded Content to Flash Media Server". That is the >>>>> >>> limit >>> >>>>> of the license. So the Adobe FME is meant to stream video only to >>>>> FMS. I would encourage the OS community to respect the EULA of >>>>> the >>>>> Adobe Flash Media Encoder. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kev. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Software License. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2.1 Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of >>>>> this >>>>> Agreement, Adobe hereby grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, >>>>> royalty-free license to (a) download, install and use the Software >>>>> solely to capture video and/or audio content ("Content"), >>>>> encode the >>>>> Content into Flash Video Format ("Encoded Content") and record >>>>> the >>>>> Encoded Content to a FLV File and/or stream the Encoded Content to >>>>> Flash Media Server; and (b) make a reasonable number of copies of >>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>> Documentation solely in connection with use of the Software in >>>>> accordance with this Agreement, but no more than the amount >>>>> >>> reasonably >>> >>>>> necessary. " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:red5- >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Michael Chan >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:10 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] Flash Media Encoder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin1 >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure where the term you mentioned that FME (Adobe) stated >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> it is not allow in Red5, can you please detail your opinion as how >>>>> >>> do >>> >>>>> you come to this conclusion. As far as I understood in reading >>>>> this >>>>> >>>>> along with FME license, it did not specific required FME into any >>>>> >>>>> specific Flash Media server by Adobe. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if you have new provision that I am not >>>>> aware of. >>>>> >>>>> MC >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2007-03-08 at 17:35 -0700, Kevin Towes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Andrea - You cannot use FME with Red 5 without breaking the >>>>>> >>> License >>> >>>>>> agreement of FME (see attached and below). >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Software License. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2.1 Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of >>>>>> >>> this >>> >>>>>> Agreement, Adobe hereby grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, >>>>>> >>>>>> royalty-free license to (a) download, install and use the >>>>>> Software >>>>>> >>>>>> solely to capture video and/or audio content ("Content"), encode >>>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>>> Content into Flash Video Format ("Encoded Content") and record >>>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>>> Encoded Content to a FLV File and/or stream the Encoded >>>>>> Content to >>>>>> >>>>>> Flash Media Server; and (b) make a reasonable number of copies of >>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Documentation solely in connection with use of the Software in >>>>>> >>>>>> accordance with this Agreement, but no more than the amount >>>>>> >>>>> reasonably >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin Towes. >>>>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> __ >>> >>>>>> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:red5- >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Andrea :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:29 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [Red5] Flash Media Encoder >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> >>>>>> i've just Download Flash Media Encoder. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can use it in Red5 (in some Way) or not? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, i'm Italian, I Sperak English Just a Little >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> *Andrea* >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Red5 mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Red5 mailing list >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Red5 mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Red5 mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Red5 mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Red5 mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Red5 mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Red5 mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Red5 mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org _______________________________________________ Red5 mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
