Remember how Rice absolutely fell off the table his last year? We were talking about whether he needed glass and what not.
Well, that horrible last year delivered the same stats that Yaz delivered over his last ten years. It gets me to thinking that the Red Sox HOF is much more relevant than the MLB HOF. Of course, I'm from Boston, so I know that everything in Boston is more releveant than things from anywhere else. That said, I'd extend my argument to say that very few players have made as signficant a contribution to the league as they have to their own team. Which gets me back to my "no bubble guys." If a non-baseball fan doesn't know who the person is, then they really can't be counted as famous. Average people have heard of Roger Clemens, Barry Bons, Mark McGuire, and Sammy Sosa. Hmm...I just named the all-steroids team. Crap. On 1/12/09, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree that Yaz suffers by comparison because most of us remember seeing > Rice in his prime and Yaz in his golden years. > > Yaz circa 1967 beats the Jim Rice of 1978. > > Steve O > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Beaudoin, John > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I don't agree. >> >> Yaz was more of a threat in his younger days when we never had the chance >> to see him. >> >> Compared to his peers of the day, he rose above them all. >> >> Jim Rice did not rise above them all during his day. How many batting >> titles? Where did he rank in HR's each year? I don't know the answers, but >> I'd like to know where he ranked in various categories during his years >> versus Yaz's same number of years from beginning to the total years Rice >> made it to. >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *William Marino >> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2009 6:19 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Hmmmmm >> >> >> >> If you were starting a team and had to pick one retired Red Sox >> leftfielder (and say Ted Williams wasn't available because his head was in a >> freezer)an it is Rice, hands down. Agree or not? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon Jan 12 18:14:25 2009 >> Subject: RE: Hmmmmm >> >> Different days. >> >> Yaz played during the very low ERA days. The year after his triple crown >> was 1968. And read this from Wikipedia: >> >> "Yastrzemski's .301 mark in "The Year of the Pitcher" is the lowest >> average of any batting champion in major league history; however, he was the >> only hitter in the American League to hit .300 for that season against such >> formidable pitching" >> >> >> >> That's why you can't compare stats in different times. >> >> Your argument means nothing. >> >> Jim Rice didn't debut 'til '75, right? >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of William Marino >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:08 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Hmmmmm >> >> >> >> Never even sure why it was a debate about Rice. Compared to Yaz. Rice: >> Life time average: .298. HR: 382 in 12 seasons (an average of 32 per >> season). Yaz: Life time average: .285. HR 452 in 23 seasons (an average of >> 19 per season). Rice was a better hitter and had much more power. Yes, Yaz >> won the Triple Crown and was an excellent defender (better at first base >> than in left field), but it always struck me that Yza got too much credit >> for longevity and Rice got too much slack for the lack of it. In his day, >> Rice was simply one of the most feared hitters in both leagues. If Yaz >> belongs in the HOF, Rice does, too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:50 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Hmmmmm >> >> >> >> I could put some women in front of you and ask you if they're 8 months >> pregnant or not and you wouldn't think it's so obvious. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:38 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Hmmmmm >> >> >> >> I don't think that's true. I think there are obvious guys and non-obvious >> guys. >> >> It's one or the other. Like pregnancy. >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There's HAS to be bubbles. Even if you got rid of all the bubble guys >> you'd have a new class of bubble guys. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Grrr... >> >> No bubble guys! It's the freaking Hall of Fame, not Hall of >> He-was-really-really-good. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> As I told Matt, I always tought JER was a bubble guy, but the HOF is >> filled with Bubble Guys so I'm happy to have one of ours in there. >> >> >> >> Who will be the next Red Sox to enter the hall? Pedro or Manny? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Ralph Sherman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Fair enough. And at least it's another Bosox in the HOF. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Matt & Olga McSorley >> <mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]> >> > >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:33 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Hmmmmm >> >> >> >> Well, to be fair, he only played in one World Series. Kind >> of a small sample. >> >> >> >> -- Matt >> >> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Ralph Sherman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Ralph Sherman <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Hmmmmm >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 2:10 PM >> >> Jim Rice elected to the Hall of Fame. On his last at bat. >> >> >> >> Roll the tapes of his World Series performances. Ahh, the >> home runs. The RBIs. The...MIA status. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Steve Ouellette < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >> To: [email protected] < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >> > >> >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:07 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Hmmmmm >> >> >> >> Yeah, but they're trading him because he won't >> move off SS--and who can blame him, he just earned a fraudulent Gold >> Glove--so we'd have to play him there or incur his wrath. And he's signed >> through age 37. >> >> Steve O >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Matt & Olga >> McSorley <[email protected] < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> wrote: >> >> I know but I'm thinking >> about a season with Lowrie/Lugo at short, and the likelihood that one or all >> of Drew, Lowell, Ortiz won't get through the season without getting hurt, >> and what an extra bat could do in the lineup. He's 32 and his defense is >> poor. They'd probably have to give up too much to get him. And he doesn't >> provide that much power. Still.... >> >> >> >> Hmmm.... >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Steve Ouellette < >> [email protected] < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Steve Ouellette < >> [email protected] < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: Hmmmmm >> To: [email protected] < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] >> > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:59 PM >> >> >> >> Just say no Matt. >> >> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Matt & >> Olga McSorley <[email protected] < >> http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >> wrote: >> >> That's all >> I'll say. Hmmmmm...... >> >> >> >> >> Young angered by changing position >> >> >> >> >> Associated Press >> >> The Texas Rangers < >> http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex> are exploring trade >> options for five-time All-Star shortstop Michael Young < >> http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4566> at the >> player's request after he became upset about the team's plan to move him to >> third base. >> >> Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said >> Sunday night during a hastily called conference call that the team has >> looked into trade possibilities but remains hopeful Young will remain in >> Texas. >> >> "Our desire is for Michael to play third >> base," Daniels said. "Obviously though, he's got to buy into what we're >> doing." >> >> The Rangers would like to move Young to >> third to make room for highly touted prospect Elvis Andrus at shortstop. The >> 20-year-old Andrus came to Texas in July 2007 in the trade that sent Mark >> Teixeira <http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4937> >> to Atlanta. >> >> Daniels said he and manager Ron Washington >> met with the 32-year-old Young last month about the direction of the team >> and moving to third base. >> >> "Reluctant, reluctant," Daniels said, >> describing Young's reaction. "He explained to us that he's worked extremely >> hard to make himself a shortstop. Obviously in 2004, he volunteered to move >> from second base to shortstop. That kind of shows the team-first character >> that has been a stable of his personality and really has made himself an >> outstanding player." >> >> Daniels said he hasn't spoken to Young >> since before New Year's Day, but has had conversations with the player's >> agent. >> >> Young switched from second base to >> shortstop in the spring of 2004 after the Rangers traded Alex Rodriguez < >> http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3115> to the New >> York Yankees <http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy> . >> Rodriguez moved from shortstop to third to accommodate that trade. >> >> Young has been selected to the All-Star >> team as a shortstop every season since, and last year earned his first AL >> Gold Glove award. >> >> He is a career .300 hitter, though his >> streak of five consecutive 200-hit seasons was snapped in 2008 when he was >> hampered by a fractured right ring finger the last two months of the season. >> He was the AL batting champion in 2005 when he hit .331. >> >> Young next season begins the five-year, >> $80 million contract extension he signed during spring training in 2007 that >> prevented him from becoming a free agent. Young is due about $62 million >> over the next five seasons since some of the money was paid as a signing >> bonus and more is deferred. >> >> That contract was second-largest in team >> history, behind only the $252 million, 10-year contract Rodriguez got in >> December 2000. >> >> Young, a minor leaguer when traded from >> Toronto to Texas in 2000, is the Rangers' longest-tenured player. He played >> in two games that season and then 106 as a rookie in 2001. >> >> Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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