Actually, that has him as a minus-9, which is quite a bit below average. Other fielding metrics had him even worse, though the two prior seasons that he was a little above average. Seems hard to believe, but the explanation I've heard is that he is terrible at balls hit right at him; very slow to react coming in or going back. He also apparently started playing abnormally deep, allowing a lot of balls to fall in.
He's got the tools to be outstanding, but don't know if you can teach instincts. I'm OK with trading Casey Kelly, but I don't want to deal Ryan Westmoreland. Ever. Steve O On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Ellsbury was slightly below average in fielding in 2009: > > > http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/ellsbja01-field.shtml#standard_fielding > > He was so close to average that I wouldn't say he cost us anything > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was surprised yesterday when Sean McAdam and Steve Buckley knocked >> Ellsbury's defense. He's made some exciting plays, but perhaps he's not >> strong day-to-day? >> >> Bucholz/Ellsbury does sound like a lot, but I'm about the team. If Theo >> can fill the hole in LF I'm all for the deal. >> >> BTW, you're all free to throw these words back at me in a couple of years. >> But Casey Kelly better be a damn good ballplayer if he's that untouchable. >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If dealing those two gets a power-hitting first baseman just coming >>> into his prime, I can live with it. Ellsbury's OBP is in the lower third of >>> major-league leadoff hitters and he doesn't provide a ton of power. I like >>> the kid and I like what he brings, but I think the upgrade to Gonzalez is >>> worth it, especially given that Mike Cameron can play center field. >>> >>> Any chance they make the deal for Gonzalez, who's on a very club-friendly >>> deal at the moment, and still sign Bay to play left? That team would stack >>> up very favorably against the Yankees. It's also feasible payroll-wise >>> because a lot of money is coming off the books the next two years. >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Steve Gendron <[email protected]> >>> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected] >>> > >>> *Sent:* Thu, December 17, 2009 11:03:54 AM >>> *Subject:* Dealing Ellsbury? >>> >>> Talk is that the Red Sox would have to deal both Clay Bucholz AND Jacoby >>> Ellsbury to land Adrian Gonzalez. Ellsbury's speed makes him so valuable, >>> I'm not sure I like where a trade like that would leave the team. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in > Just 12 Weeks" > www.leadingafteralayoff.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
