That was exactly john's point this morning; if the incident angle is up when it hits the wall, the ball will go up (and hit a pigeon) and still be in play. Of course, the Green Monster is about the only wall that could produce that result. -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu May 20 15:25:09 2010 Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Good point Steve. Most HR's are headed down. On 5/20/10, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> wrote: > In an impromptu study -- hurling balls at my wall -- if a ball is still on > its upward arc when it strikes the wall, it will bounce up (and then back > onto the field ... or my computer). Not straight up of course, but up > nonetheless. > > Steve O > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I keep saying that if it goes up, it is a home run. It doesn't matter if >> it comes back onto the field. Part of the ball touched part of the top of >> the wall. That's all it takes. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Beaudoin, John >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Not talking about Ortiz’s HR. >>> >>> >>> >>> We’re talking about if a ball goes up and onto the field. I don’t think >>> there is proof it hit the top of the wall and I explained my view of the >>> physics behind it. >>> >>> >>> >>> If we’re not talking ideal conditions and want to talk like reasonable >>> realists, then I also will say that if it hits the edge and comes back in >>> play, then it is not a home run. Seems reasonable to me. What if it >>> hits >>> the wall and bounces onto the field having risen one inch above the plane >>> of >>> the top of the wall on its way back onto the field? Who’s going to judge >>> what is “up” from the wall? It’s impossible to judge that. Beyond >>> physics, >>> the more reasonable viewpoint is whether or not it enters the field of >>> play >>> after hitting the edge. >>> >>> >>> >>> No one is arguing that if it hits the flat plane of the top of the wall >>> and then hits a fan or something after that and bounces back onto the >>> field, >>> then it’s a HR. That’s given. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:26 PM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Ortiz HR >>> >>> >>> >>> Any "up" means it's a home run. It had to touch the top of the wall to >>> go >>> up. >>> >>> Of course, Ortiz's seems to have hit the top of the wall and then that >>> little lip an then come back out. >>> >>> It was *so obviously* a home run that I couldn't believe the umps missed >>> it. Maybe it's harder to see from down in the outfield. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Beaudoin, John < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That's been established. >>> What about going up and onto the field of play? >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:04 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Ortiz HR >>> >>> Down. >>> Not a HR. >>> >>> On 5/20/10, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Okay, why do we have to do this? >>> > >>> > You approach it as if you're right and there is no other possibility >>> > than you being right. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Let's look at ideal conditions, Mr. Physics. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > There is an edge. It is a line in space. It defines the border >>> between >>> > the face of the wall and the top of the wall. It is not the top of >>> the >>> > wall. >>> > >>> > There is a ball assumed to be a perfect sphere with an even >>> distribution >>> > of mass throughout. >>> > >>> > Now, if the ball is traveling at a given velocity, v, and at an angle >>> of >>> > 0 degrees (straight), and the point of contact is below the center of >>> > gravity, but less than 45 degrees below the center of gravity, then >>> what >>> > direction will the ball travel, HAVING NEVER HIT THE TOP OF THE WALL? >>> > Upward, I will bet. And, being less than 45 degrees, it will come >>> back >>> > onto the field. Being more than 45 degrees, it will continue over the >>> > wall. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > That is from what I derive my opinion and my interpretation of the >>> > rules. Not just, well I said so; so I'm right. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >>> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:21 AM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: Ortiz HR >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Sorry John. Geometry is not a matter of opinion. >>> > >>> > A ball that goes up touched the top of the wall. >>> > >>> > Home run. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Beaudoin, John >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > No. It is your opinion that it is a home run. It is your >>> > interpretation of the rules. It does not make you right just because >>> > you say you are right. >>> > >>> > The last time you provided the prose from the rule book, we went >>> through >>> > the same thing. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If a ball hits the edge of the wall that defines the border between >>> what >>> > is the top and what is the face of the wall, then we are in no-mans >>> land >>> > in debate. And my opinion is that if the ball hits the edge and goes >>> > forward, then it is still in play. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >>> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:15 AM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: Ortiz HR >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Again, there is no "edge". If the ball touches the top, it is out. >>> > When it touches the top it goes up. >>> > >>> > Your "up ten feet and then fall one inch straight down onto the field" >>> > is a home run. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Beaudoin, John >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Because a ball can hit the edge and go up. The question should be >>> > whether or not the ball hit the edge and went forward or backward. >>> Thus, >>> > a ball can hit the edge, then go up ten feet, and then fall one inch >>> > straight down onto the field and still be in play. >>> > >>> > I did not see this specific HOUR. I am guessing that it was past the >>> > edge and hit something behind the wall plane and came back onto the >>> > field. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > >>> > From: [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Thu May 20 04:09:47 2010 >>> > Subject: Ortiz HR >>> > >>> > Thank goodness they took the HR call away from the umps. 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