Does the pigeon go up?
-------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu May 20 13:43:08 2010 Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Ball hits a wall, goes up, strikes a pigeon flying over the bleachers, lands in the glove of Hanley Ramirez, who drops it, boots, then lollygags after it. Home Run? Ground Rule Double? On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: Ray and I work in the same office, Dan. Just FYI. J ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Dang, now I am going to have to get my copy of Flatland out..... Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 11:36:01 AM Subject: RE: Ortiz HR Okay, why do we have to do this? You approach it as if you’re right and there is no other possibility than you being right. Let’s look at ideal conditions, Mr. Physics. There is an edge. It is a line in space. It defines the border between the face of the wall and the top of the wall. It is not the top of the wall. There is a ball assumed to be a perfect sphere with an even distribution of mass throughout. Now, if the ball is traveling at a given velocity, v, and at an angle of 0 degrees (straight), and the point of contact is below the center of gravity, but less than 45 degrees below the center of gravity, then what direction will the ball travel, HAVING NEVER HIT THE TOP OF THE WALL? Upward, I will bet. And, being less than 45 degrees, it will come back onto the field. Being more than 45 degrees, it will continue over the wall. That is from what I derive my opinion and my interpretation of the rules. Not just, well I said so; so I’m right. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Sorry John. Geometry is not a matter of opinion. A ball that goes up touched the top of the wall. Home run. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: No. It is your opinion that it is a home run. It is your interpretation of the rules. It does not make you right just because you say you are right. The last time you provided the prose from the rule book, we went through the same thing. If a ball hits the edge of the wall that defines the border between what is the top and what is the face of the wall, then we are in no-mans land in debate. And my opinion is that if the ball hits the edge and goes forward, then it is still in play. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ortiz HR Again, there is no "edge". If the ball touches the top, it is out. When it touches the top it goes up. Your "up ten feet and then fall one inch straight down onto the field" is a home run. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: Because a ball can hit the edge and go up. The question should be whether or not the ball hit the edge and went forward or backward. Thus, a ball can hit the edge, then go up ten feet, and then fall one inch straight down onto the field and still be in play. I did not see this specific HOUR. I am guessing that it was past the edge and hit something behind the wall plane and came back onto the field. ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu May 20 04:09:47 2010 Subject: Ortiz HR Thank goodness they took the HR call away from the umps. They seem to consistently miss that call. Why is it so hard to understand that a ball that bounces straight up hit the top of the wall? Ray -- Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" www.fpgasimulation.com <http://www.fpgasimulation.com/> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> . 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