Well, that put me in my place. Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a bunt (David Wells excepted)?
Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. Steve O On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put Lowrie > behind there. > > On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for >> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an >> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike >> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." >> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: >> >> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community >> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher >> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running >> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, >> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. >> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the >> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase >> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to >> reduce batters' offensive output." >> >> Steve O >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than the >>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? >>> >>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch >>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers over >>>> the >>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> This is a low sample size issue. >>>>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
