All I'm saying is give the guy a fair chance. He's no sure thing, but he could be good. I don't consider 36 AB a fair chance.
I told you Jeremy Giambi was going to be good once too, and what happened there? Steve O On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I actually think Beckett indicated Tek is his preferred catcher but I'm not > sure. BUT you're talking about a much younger Beckett. People change and > preferences change. > > Any way I am ready to LOVE Salty but he can't catch and he can't hit. Not > yet anyway. > > On Apr 22, 2011 7:00 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well, that put me in my place. >> >> Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't >> find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in >> the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with >> the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually >> possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a >> pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a >> bunt (David Wells excepted)? >> >> Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he >> doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. >> >> Steve O >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put >>> Lowrie >>> behind there. >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for >>>> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an >>>> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike >>>> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." >>>> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: >>>> >>>> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community >>>> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher >>>> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running >>>> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, >>>> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. >>>> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the >>>> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase >>>> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to >>>> reduce batters' offensive output." >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than the >>>>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? >>>>> >>>>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch >>>>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers >>>>>> over >>>>>> the >>>>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> This is a low sample size issue. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
