Sounds like a win. I went to bed after the 7th ... I think. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ouellette [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 04:12 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tek must go
I just watched the 8th inning. Forget what I said. Salty looked terrible. Wild pitch that he didn't block, passed ball through his legs to let a runner score from second. Geez. At least he did have a double in the game ... And I agree completely on Papelbon. His stuff was nasty and his command was perfect. Steve O On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> wrote: > Salty appeared to look starstruck... Pap is looking very impressive so far > this year. > > Sent from Larry's Verizon powered iPad > On Apr 23, 2011, at 1:08 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Watching the 8th inning tonight, I have one thought: Salty is worse behind > the plate than I thought. I've never seen a catcher lose sight of a ball > that went directly through him and back to the backstop. And he allowed a > 37-year-old man to score from second on it. > > Not optimistic about him at all. > > -- Matt > > ________________________________ > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:13:09 PM > Subject: Re: Tek must go > > Oh I'll give him a chance. > > No choice really. > > On Apr 22, 2011 7:09 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: >> All I'm saying is give the guy a fair chance. He's no sure thing, but >> he could be good. I don't consider 36 AB a fair chance. >> >> I told you Jeremy Giambi was going to be good once too, and what happened >> there? >> >> Steve O >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I actually think Beckett indicated Tek is his preferred catcher but I'm >>> not >>> sure. BUT you're talking about a much younger Beckett. People change and >>> preferences change. >>> >>> Any way I am ready to LOVE Salty but he can't catch and he can't hit. Not >>> yet anyway. >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2011 7:00 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Well, that put me in my place. >>>> >>>> Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't >>>> find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in >>>> the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with >>>> the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually >>>> possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a >>>> pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a >>>> bunt (David Wells excepted)? >>>> >>>> Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he >>>> doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put >>>>> Lowrie >>>>> behind there. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for >>>>>> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an >>>>>> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike >>>>>> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." >>>>>> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: >>>>>> >>>>>> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community >>>>>> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher >>>>>> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running >>>>>> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, >>>>>> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. >>>>>> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the >>>>>> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase >>>>>> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to >>>>>> reduce batters' offensive output." >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than the >>>>>>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch >>>>>>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers >>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> This is a low sample size issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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