Salty appeared to look starstruck... Pap is looking very impressive so far this year.
Sent from Larry's Verizon powered iPad On Apr 23, 2011, at 1:08 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: > Watching the 8th inning tonight, I have one thought: Salty is worse behind > the plate than I thought. I've never seen a catcher lose sight of a ball that > went directly through him and back to the backstop. And he allowed a > 37-year-old man to score from second on it. > > Not optimistic about him at all. > > -- Matt > > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:13:09 PM > Subject: Re: Tek must go > > Oh I'll give him a chance. > > No choice really. > > On Apr 22, 2011 7:09 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: > > All I'm saying is give the guy a fair chance. He's no sure thing, but > > he could be good. I don't consider 36 AB a fair chance. > > > > I told you Jeremy Giambi was going to be good once too, and what happened > > there? > > > > Steve O > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I actually think Beckett indicated Tek is his preferred catcher but I'm not > >> sure. BUT you're talking about a much younger Beckett. People change and > >> preferences change. > >> > >> Any way I am ready to LOVE Salty but he can't catch and he can't hit. Not > >> yet anyway. > >> > >> On Apr 22, 2011 7:00 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Well, that put me in my place. > >>> > >>> Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't > >>> find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in > >>> the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with > >>> the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually > >>> possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a > >>> pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a > >>> bunt (David Wells excepted)? > >>> > >>> Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he > >>> doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. > >>> > >>> Steve O > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put > >>>> Lowrie > >>>> behind there. > >>>> > >>>> On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for > >>>>> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an > >>>>> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike > >>>>> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." > >>>>> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: > >>>>> > >>>>> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community > >>>>> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher > >>>>> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running > >>>>> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, > >>>>> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. > >>>>> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the > >>>>> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase > >>>>> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to > >>>>> reduce batters' offensive output." > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve O > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than the > >>>>>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch > >>>>>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers > >>>>>>> over > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> This is a low sample size issue. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups > >>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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