For the record, I don't like the guy, but I'd rather have him miss a year, get better, and then earn his money in 2013. I HATE the idea of paying him to pitch for someone else. That's the second to last worst case scenario for me.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > And medicine isn't as black and white as we like to think. An injured > pitcher - and I think most major league pitchers with innings on them are > injured to some extent - can try to pitch through injuries and hope that > things improve with exercise and rehab. Unfortunately, some reach a point > where they simply won't get better without surgical intervention, but it > takes time to reach that point. > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Best possible is he remained, pitched and earned his salary. >> On Oct 25, 2011 5:18 PM, "Larry Rupp" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have a slightly different PoV >>> >>> He's been a self-centered jerk since coming here, albeit the same guy >>> that we saw in Anaheim. He had a tough season to say the least however >>> considering in late Aug we were on pace to hit 100 wins should he not have >>> gotten the surgery sooner? Yes it would have hurt the rotation but >>> certainly no worse then what he brought to the mound every 5th day. >>> >>> I see your point on his return possibly being advantageous but he still >>> leaves a bad taste in my mouth no matter how he returns... >>> >>> Sent from Larry's mobile >>> >>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> No crushing from me. I actually think this was the second best possible >>> outcome. >>> On Oct 25, 2011 4:59 PM, "William Marino" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ** ** ** >>>> >>>> So I may get crushed here for defending the guy, but isn’t it likely >>>> that he’s had this injury all year and tried to pitch through it? Don’t >>>> get >>>> me wrong—they guy is still a massive jerk—but maybe he should get a little >>>> credit. Also, according to Wikipedia, there is a 85-92% chance of a full >>>> recovery. Maybe the way to handle him is surgery/rehab and see what he can >>>> do. It takes about a year to fully recover. Might not be the most prudent >>>> thing to do to trade him, most likely eat a big portion of his salary (and >>>> get nothing in return), then watch him revert back to his pre-injured form. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* **[email protected]** [mailto:** >>>> [email protected]**] *On Behalf Of *Larry Rupp >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:47 PM >>>> *To:* **[email protected]** >>>> *Subject:* Re: Lackey - Tommy John!**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> I hope so because that helps with his value to the Sox to trade him for >>>> 2013&2014. This guy just keeps getting worse even not pitching... >>>> >>>> Sent from Larry's mobile**** >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:*** >>>> * >>>> >>>> Wow! That's quite a contract clause. I guess they were concerned >>>> enough about his shoulder. I wonder if that's tradeable. I assume it would >>>> be.**** >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Charles Battikha <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> So let the speculations begin... How long did he need it? Or is this an >>>> excuse?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> What's also amazing is the contract. Is that standard in contracts or >>>> was there already a concern? **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Lackey’s contract has a clause that states if the pitcher misses time >>>> because of Tommy John surgery on his elbow, he has to give the Red Sox a >>>> sixth year at the league minimum salary.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley wrote:**** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Yup. He's out for next season. **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/10/john_lackey_to.html?p1=News_links >>>> **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:47 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: Lackey - Tommy John!**** >>>> >>>> what does this mean? He's having Tommy John?**** >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Interesting.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Dan D >>>> Central NJ ****USA******** >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.**** >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.**** >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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