Jamey Wright

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:32 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Voters



At 05:13 PM 9/14/04, you wrote:


>A while back, there was some discussion on voters.  I have read through all
>of that.

>Have you read the two or three voter articles at www.repeater-builder.com
>on the Technical Info page?

Yes I have.

>>I am looking to install one here.

>For what reason?
>Some repeater systems that talk further then they can hear decide to
>add a voter system to try and match the coverage.  Others add a voter
>to improve hand-held coverage inside the existing TX footprint, others
>just add a two channel voter at the main RX site to gain some diversity
>reception.  What is your reason?

I want to extend portable coverage.  We are in an area with lots of hills
and valleys.

>I am planning on bringing my rx sites back on RF and having the rx
>radios at the voter site interface to a status tone (2175 Hz) circuit
>and then feed the voter.

>You are aware that the 2175 status tone is designed for a wired
>system? (where they bring the audio back on leased phone lines).

>And that doing it that way will require you to run the link TX on a
>7x24 basis?  This can get expensive in not only the power bill
>but in replacing links TXs (have you verified that you can get the
>link frequencies there - one per RX site?).  Which band do you
>plan on using for the links? 420MHz, 900MHz or 1296mhz?
>What equipment do you plan on using for the main channel
>RXs and the link radios??  And do you have spares?  Running
>a link TX 7x24x366 just to keep a tone decoder happy will
>quickly determine if your link system is "continuous duty"...

What I planned to do is to have the link rx interface to the status tone
circuit and when it sees a valid signal from the far end, it will drop the
tone.  That way the links don't have to run 24x7.  I don't maintain it but I
know of a public safety system here that does it this way and has done it
for a number of years with no problems.  I plan on using MASTR II RXs at
each site and Maxtrac 900 for the links.

>My question is:
>Does anyone have a circuit to generate the status tones or know of a
>reasonably priced commercially available product.  I just don't want to
>re-invent the wheel if someone else has already dealt w/ this.

>The GE voter used a 1950hz status tone and there was a board that fit
>into the EP-39 aux RX chassis that did just what you want.  If someone
>can post that schematic all you need to do is change the cap in the
>oscillator to pick up the Moto tone frequency.

If it uses 1950 then that is what I'll use.  I have read through the
installation/service manual for the voter and apparently misread the status
tone part.

>There may be a Moto Spectra-Tac card that does the same thing but
>I am not aware of the card name or part number.  And there are a lot
>more GE manuals on PDF floating around that there are Motorola....

I have the PDF of the manual for the voter.  I have also been looking for
one for the GE MASTR II Aux receivers but I haven't found one yet.

>If need be I have a simple audio oscillator design that I can email
>you that uses an 88mh toroid and a single transistor.  My first voting
>panel used this tone gen feeding the normally closed contacts of
>the COR.  The relay armature fed the link TX and the normally open
>contacts was the RX audio.  A 10 second carrier delay relay "filled
>in the gaps" of tweak signal flutter.  The link RX COR dropping out
>told the voting panel that the channel was idle.

If you don't mind sending me the schematic, I'd appreciate it.  I have a
design for one but it uses a crystal reference and the crystal is not easy
to find and it takes way more parts.

Jamey Wright
KD4SIY

>Mike WA6ILQ






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