[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/10/2008 11:47:33 PM:

> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:06 PM,  Greg Swift wrote:
> > What is a "base" (for lack of a bettter term) server?  (RHEL is a
server
> > platform, after all)
> > Personally I would define it as a system that has the underlying os, a
> > method for managing it locally and remotely, a method for managing
> > software, and security.
>
> By the way, if you put just this in kickstart you get exactly that:
>
> %packages --nobase --resolvedeps
> openssh-server
> yum-rhn-plugin
>
> Now, that pulls in about 800M of other packages because of the deps.
> Perhaps you really want some statically compiled minimal version of
> some of these (though you'd be hard pressed to do without python).

Once again, the requirement of a kickstart.  I did just test this one.
Just so you know, resolvedeps is deprecated.  Fairly nice and clean from a
package count, 158 x86_64 and noarch packages (there was also about 18 x86
packages before that I removed).  And you are right.. almost exactly 800M.
I browsed through the package list, can't really complain about whats
there.  Sad that the size is so big, but I've no resolution for that at the
moment.

> If it's a VM you might be able to do without openssh-server and use
> only the functionality in RHN. I doubt it would really save you much,
> though.

In general I'm usually taking about standalones, but VMs are a great
example of where this is useful.  Unfortunately VMs tend to be a good place
for using kickstarts.  Actually I take that back.  Since with a Virtual I
can install and copy, not having to do a kickstart is very useful there as
well.  Thats what I don't understand.  Why is there a perception that
having a clean and small base server install from the leading Enterprise
Linux vendor without a custom installation process via kickstart is such a
bad concept?

I'm done for now.. this is a tired discussion and I've yet to get hear a
reasonable justification for whats wrong with wanting clean and small
without a kickstart.  And I'm sure i'm just being an annoyance at this
point.  My apologies.

-greg

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