On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:34 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In general I'm usually taking about standalones, but VMs are a great
> example of where this is useful.  Unfortunately VMs tend to be a good place
> for using kickstarts.  Actually I take that back.  Since with a Virtual I
> can install and copy, not having to do a kickstart is very useful there as
> well.  Thats what I don't understand.  Why is there a perception that
> having a clean and small base server install from the leading Enterprise
> Linux vendor without a custom installation process via kickstart is such a
> bad concept?
>

I think it has to do with percentages. 60% of all system admins do not
want to sit through a long graphical install just to have to sit
through it again because they biffed a screen somewhere. Having to sit
in a server room and do a click through at 2am in the morning when I
can just have the box pxe boot or use EdBrown's kickstart collection
means more time that I have to fix other problems and less likely I
will say that this system is 1.2 gigs in / when I mean 12gb. So it
becomes what fits the use case for most people. The ones who want to
do a graphical install are usually going to be adding stuff that isnt
in a default or trying to figure out what size / should be.

I know that on the CentOS side, its another chain that has to be qa'd
and tested every time there is a new spin or update... and they only
do a cursory run through. The RHEL side has a long set of tests for
every platform. So every combination adds more tests. Anything outside
of what is a solution for 60% gets cut out to lower costs and make
more time for other items that aren't being tested as well as
customers want.


> I'm done for now.. this is a tired discussion and I've yet to get hear a
> reasonable justification for whats wrong with wanting clean and small
> without a kickstart.  And I'm sure i'm just being an annoyance at this
> point.  My apologies.
>
> -greg
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