exactly but it is interesting listening to some one try and explain why isn't it? a lot of blacks are in the republican party and i wonder about that also. so many fundies and orthodox voted for bush. five towns said orthodox jews voted in droves for bush. i don't know why as he isn't exactly israel's best friend. kerry actually had a better record on that score.
Peggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My sentiment: A Gay joining the Republican Party is like a Jew joining the Nazi Party. ----- Original Message ----- From: donnella whitacre To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan hm you have talked to him and know this? as i stated in another post, there were gays here who voted yes on 36, they don't believe they need marriage. perhaps a civil union? people are entitled to different opinions you know? that doesn't mean they are corrupt or curring favor. there are black republicans, gay ones: just because they are gays doesn't mean they have to be liberal democrats you know. i don't know mr. sullivan , but i agree with some things he says and i don't agree with others. that is why i love bill maher's show. he brings really different people together, way more interesting than letterman or the others. they talk, they interact. eTim Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Sullivan is a self hating gay, a right wing apologist whose only purpose appears to be currying favor enough to survive the coming gay purge. You think I'm overstating? Consider the thirteen states that ban gay marriage on the basis of some biblical nonsense. It's supposedly done in the name of preserving traditional marriage, but it's an obvious moral blue law. Who knows what's next? Outlaw sex outside of marriage and you've given a green light to gather the gays at Guantanemo. With the supreme court in the balance, a president who's bent on returning to the 'moral' values of the 1700's..... Enjoy. donnella whitacre wrote: >please wesley, he is no zionist. i would not be suprised that you back him . he was on bill maher the other night and almost got booed off the stage. alan sullivan of the new republican had a lot ot say about him. and while i dont agree with alan all the time, he is interesting to listen to. > >Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:omigod, Chomsky was a Zionist from the word go. He was also a man of impeccable >scholarly integrity. > >The problem with Zionism was that it conflicted with his impeccable scholarly >integrity, so the two parted company. > >Is that why you despise him, donnella? > >Shalom > >Wesley Parish > >Quoting donnella whitacre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >>chomsky is not the one to quote to me. i dispise him. sorry. >> >>"(ARTEMIS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Noam Chomsky's The Fate of an Honest Intellectual (an excerpt from his >>2002 book Understanding Power). Here are some quotes from that article: >> >> From Time Immemorial ... was a big scholarly-looking book with lots of >> >>footnotes, which purported to show that the Palestinians were all recent >> >>immigrants ... And it was very popular -- it got literally hundreds of >>rave >>reviews, and no negative reviews: the Washington Post, the New York >>Times, >>everybody was just raving about it. Here was this book which proved that >> >>there were really no Palestinians! Of course, the implicit message was, >>if >>Israel kicks them all out there's no moral issue, because they're just >>recent immigrants who came in because the Jews had built up the country. >> >>... That was the big intellectual hit for that year: Saul Bellow, >>Barbara >>Tuchman, everybody was talking about it as the greatest thing since >>chocolate cake. Well, one graduate student at Princeton, a guy named >>Norman Finkelstein, started reading through the book. He was interested >>in >>the history of Zionism, and as he read the book he was kind of surprised >> >>by some of the things it said. He's a very careful student, and he >>started >>checking the references -- and it turned out that the whole thing was a >>hoax, it was completely faked: probably it had been put together by some >> >>intelligence agency ... >> >> Finkelstein's very persistent: he took a summer off and sat in the New >> >>York Public Library, where he went through every single reference in the >> >>book -- and he found a record of fraud that you cannot believe. Well, the >> >>New York intellectual community is a pretty small place, and pretty soon >> >>everybody knew about this, everybody knew the book was a fraud ... >> >> Well, as soon as I heard that the book was going to come out in >>England, I immediately sent copies of Finkelstein's work to a number of >> >>British scholars and journalists who are interested in the Middle East -- >> >>and they were ready. As soon as the book appeared, it was just >>demolished, >>it was blown out of the water. Every major journal, the Times Literary >>Supplement, the London Review, the Observer, everybody had a review >>saying, this doesn't even reach the level of nonsense, of idiocy. ... >> >> Anyhow, by that point the American intellectual community realized >>that the Peters book was an embarrassment, and it sort of disappeared -- >> >>nobody talks about it anymore. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> / o o \ >>===OO=====OO============================================= >>(4)Portals (2)News Wikis (2)Conferences - No BuSHIT! >>Start here: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) >>http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) >>http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) >>========================================================= >>FIGHT THE RIGHT! >>================== >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Yahoo! 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