The bareback stuff came out fairly recently. Hypocrisy has no bounds within the Rethuglican party.
Enjoy. Peggy wrote: > WHAT was that butt itch thing all about? It wasn't just a little > surreptitious "maybe no one will notice" scratch. He was actually > fondling his own butt--both sides. I thought maybe the online video > had been concocted, but I saw a replay with my own eyes last night on > Home Box Office itself, and there Sullivan was--fondling his own butt > for a protracted length of time! Strange. > Question: Did he advocate "bareback" after the AIDS epidemic came to > light? If so, that is unconscionable. In fact, I cannot think of words > lowly enough to describe such an advocacy. > --Peggy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Fuller > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > Well I guess that explains the whole 'butt itch' issue. lol. > > Enjoy. > > Michael D. Fein wrote: > > > I am always amused when people talk about Andrew Sullivan. This > is a man > > who, in my rarely to be humble opinion, is one of the most > dangerous kinds > > of hypocrites imaginable. The most outlandish example I can think of > > is how > > last year, as he was espousing his "conservative" views, he was also > > promoting and advertising surreptitiously for "bare back" sex. For > > those of > > you who do not know what this refers to; it is anal intercourse > > without the > > use of a condom. This act is one of the most dangerous and > guaranteed > > ways > > of spreading AIDS. And yet, here was this conservative icon, > > promoting his > > horribly dangerous activity; one that the vast majority of gay men, > > such as > > myself, distains. > > > > Another example of do as I say, not as I do, Republicanism. > > > > Michael > > > > _____ > > > > From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:59 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > > > > I should have included to read: A Gay joining the Republican Party > and a > > Black joining the Republican Party is like a Jew joining the Nazi > Party. I > > still cannot fathom a Jewish Republican. > > The Republican Party has had fundamentalists in a frenzy to court > Orthodox > > Jews allegedly to protect God's chosen people, but really to > divert them > > from the Democratic Party and, where possible, to enlist --oh, > > wow--Jews for > > Jesus. Bush succeeded in convincing Orthodox Jews and Israelis that > > he--Republicans--would be Israel's protector.--Peggy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: donnella whitacre > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > > > > exactly but it is interesting listening to some one try and > explain why > > isn't it? a lot of blacks are in the republican party and i wonder > about > > that also. so many fundies and orthodox voted for bush. five towns > said > > orthodox jews voted in droves for bush. i don't know why as he isn't > > exactly > > israel's best friend. kerry actually had a better record on that > score. > > > > Peggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My sentiment: A Gay joining the > > Republican Party is like a Jew joining the Nazi Party. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: donnella whitacre > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > > > > hm you have talked to him and know this? as i stated in > another post, > > there were gays here who voted yes on 36, they don't believe they need > > marriage. perhaps a civil union? > > people are entitled to different opinions you know? that > doesn't mean > > they are corrupt or curring favor. > > there are black republicans, gay ones: just because they are gays > > doesn't mean they have to be liberal democrats you know. > > i don't know mr. sullivan , but i agree with some things he > says and i > > don't agree with others. > > that is why i love bill maher's show. he brings really different > > people > > together, way more interesting than letterman or the others. > > they talk, they interact. > > > > eTim Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andrew Sullivan is a self hating gay, a right wing apologist > whose > > only > > purpose > > appears to be currying favor enough to survive the coming gay > purge. > > > > You think I'm overstating? Consider the thirteen states that > ban gay > > marriage > > on the basis of some biblical nonsense. It's supposedly done > in the > > name of > > preserving traditional marriage, but it's an obvious moral > blue law. > > Who knows > > what's next? Outlaw sex outside of marriage and you've given > a green > > light to > > gather the gays at Guantanemo. With the supreme court in the > > balance, a > > > > president > > who's bent on returning to the 'moral' values of the 1700's..... > > > > Enjoy. > > > > donnella whitacre wrote: > > > > >please wesley, he is no zionist. i would not be suprised that > you > > back > > him . he was on bill maher the other night and almost got booed > off the > > stage. alan sullivan of the new republican had a lot ot say about > him. and > > while i dont agree with alan all the time, he is interesting to > listen > > to. > > > > > >Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:omigod, Chomsky > > was a > > Zionist from the word go. He was also a man of impeccable > > >scholarly integrity. > > > > > >The problem with Zionism was that it conflicted with his > impeccable > > scholarly > > >integrity, so the two parted company. > > > > > >Is that why you despise him, donnella? > > > > > >Shalom > > > > > >Wesley Parish > > > > > >Quoting donnella whitacre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > >>chomsky is not the one to quote to me. i dispise him. sorry. > > >> > > >>"(ARTEMIS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Noam Chomsky's The Fate of an Honest Intellectual (an excerpt > > from his > > > > >>2002 book Understanding Power). Here are some quotes from that > > article: > > >> > > >> From Time Immemorial ... was a big scholarly-looking book > with lots > > of > > >> > > >>footnotes, which purported to show that the Palestinians > were all > > recent > > >> > > >>immigrants ... And it was very popular -- it got literally > > hundreds of > > >>rave > > >>reviews, and no negative reviews: the Washington Post, the > New York > > >>Times, > > >>everybody was just raving about it. Here was this book which > proved > > that > > >> > > >>there were really no Palestinians! Of course, the implicit > message > > was, > > >>if > > >>Israel kicks them all out there's no moral issue, because > > they're just > > > > >>recent immigrants who came in because the Jews had built up the > > country. > > >> > > >>... That was the big intellectual hit for that year: Saul > Bellow, > > >>Barbara > > >>Tuchman, everybody was talking about it as the greatest > thing since > > >>chocolate cake. Well, one graduate student at Princeton, a guy > > named > > >>Norman Finkelstein, started reading through the book. He was > > interested > > >>in > > >>the history of Zionism, and as he read the book he was kind of > > surprised > > >> > > >>by some of the things it said. He's a very careful student, > and he > > >>started > > >>checking the references -- and it turned out that the whole > > thing was > > a > > >>hoax, it was completely faked: probably it had been put > together by > > some > > >> > > >>intelligence agency ... > > >> > > >> Finkelstein's very persistent: he took a summer off and sat > in the > > New > > >> > > >>York Public Library, where he went through every single > reference in > > the > > >> > > >>book -- and he found a record of fraud that you cannot believe. > > Well, > > the > > >> > > >>New York intellectual community is a pretty small place, and > pretty > > soon > > >> > > >>everybody knew about this, everybody knew the book was a > fraud ... > > >> > > >> Well, as soon as I heard that the book was going to come out in > > >>England, I immediately sent copies of Finkelstein's work to > a number > > of > > >> > > >>British scholars and journalists who are interested in the > > Middle East > > -- > > >> > > >>and they were ready. 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