WHAT was that butt itch thing all about? It wasn't just a little surreptitious "maybe no one will notice" scratch. He was actually fondling his own butt--both sides. I thought maybe the online video had been concocted, but I saw a replay with my own eyes last night on Home Box Office itself, and there Sullivan was--fondling his own butt for a protracted length of time! Strange. Question: Did he advocate "bareback" after the AIDS epidemic came to light? If so, that is unconscionable. In fact, I cannot think of words lowly enough to describe such an advocacy. --Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Fuller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan
Well I guess that explains the whole 'butt itch' issue. lol. Enjoy. Michael D. Fein wrote: > I am always amused when people talk about Andrew Sullivan. This is a man > who, in my rarely to be humble opinion, is one of the most dangerous kinds > of hypocrites imaginable. The most outlandish example I can think of > is how > last year, as he was espousing his "conservative" views, he was also > promoting and advertising surreptitiously for "bare back" sex. For > those of > you who do not know what this refers to; it is anal intercourse > without the > use of a condom. This act is one of the most dangerous and guaranteed > ways > of spreading AIDS. And yet, here was this conservative icon, > promoting his > horribly dangerous activity; one that the vast majority of gay men, > such as > myself, distains. > > Another example of do as I say, not as I do, Republicanism. > > Michael > > _____ > > From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > I should have included to read: A Gay joining the Republican Party and a > Black joining the Republican Party is like a Jew joining the Nazi Party. I > still cannot fathom a Jewish Republican. > The Republican Party has had fundamentalists in a frenzy to court Orthodox > Jews allegedly to protect God's chosen people, but really to divert them > from the Democratic Party and, where possible, to enlist --oh, > wow--Jews for > Jesus. Bush succeeded in convincing Orthodox Jews and Israelis that > he--Republicans--would be Israel's protector.--Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: donnella whitacre > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:31 AM > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > exactly but it is interesting listening to some one try and explain why > isn't it? a lot of blacks are in the republican party and i wonder about > that also. so many fundies and orthodox voted for bush. five towns said > orthodox jews voted in droves for bush. i don't know why as he isn't > exactly > israel's best friend. kerry actually had a better record on that score. > > Peggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My sentiment: A Gay joining the > Republican Party is like a Jew joining the Nazi Party. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: donnella whitacre > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Andrew Sullivan > > > hm you have talked to him and know this? as i stated in another post, > there were gays here who voted yes on 36, they don't believe they need > marriage. perhaps a civil union? > people are entitled to different opinions you know? that doesn't mean > they are corrupt or curring favor. > there are black republicans, gay ones: just because they are gays > doesn't mean they have to be liberal democrats you know. > i don't know mr. sullivan , but i agree with some things he says and i > don't agree with others. > that is why i love bill maher's show. he brings really different > people > together, way more interesting than letterman or the others. > they talk, they interact. > > eTim Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Sullivan is a self hating gay, a right wing apologist whose > only > purpose > appears to be currying favor enough to survive the coming gay purge. > > You think I'm overstating? Consider the thirteen states that ban gay > marriage > on the basis of some biblical nonsense. It's supposedly done in the > name of > preserving traditional marriage, but it's an obvious moral blue law. > Who knows > what's next? Outlaw sex outside of marriage and you've given a green > light to > gather the gays at Guantanemo. With the supreme court in the > balance, a > > president > who's bent on returning to the 'moral' values of the 1700's..... > > Enjoy. > > donnella whitacre wrote: > > >please wesley, he is no zionist. i would not be suprised that you > back > him . he was on bill maher the other night and almost got booed off the > stage. alan sullivan of the new republican had a lot ot say about him. and > while i dont agree with alan all the time, he is interesting to listen > to. > > > >Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:omigod, Chomsky > was a > Zionist from the word go. He was also a man of impeccable > >scholarly integrity. > > > >The problem with Zionism was that it conflicted with his impeccable > scholarly > >integrity, so the two parted company. > > > >Is that why you despise him, donnella? > > > >Shalom > > > >Wesley Parish > > > >Quoting donnella whitacre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > >>chomsky is not the one to quote to me. i dispise him. sorry. > >> > >>"(ARTEMIS)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Noam Chomsky's The Fate of an Honest Intellectual (an excerpt > from his > > >>2002 book Understanding Power). Here are some quotes from that > article: > >> > >> From Time Immemorial ... was a big scholarly-looking book with lots > of > >> > >>footnotes, which purported to show that the Palestinians were all > recent > >> > >>immigrants ... And it was very popular -- it got literally > hundreds of > >>rave > >>reviews, and no negative reviews: the Washington Post, the New York > >>Times, > >>everybody was just raving about it. Here was this book which proved > that > >> > >>there were really no Palestinians! Of course, the implicit message > was, > >>if > >>Israel kicks them all out there's no moral issue, because > they're just > > >>recent immigrants who came in because the Jews had built up the > country. > >> > >>... That was the big intellectual hit for that year: Saul Bellow, > >>Barbara > >>Tuchman, everybody was talking about it as the greatest thing since > >>chocolate cake. Well, one graduate student at Princeton, a guy > named > >>Norman Finkelstein, started reading through the book. He was > interested > >>in > >>the history of Zionism, and as he read the book he was kind of > surprised > >> > >>by some of the things it said. He's a very careful student, and he > >>started > >>checking the references -- and it turned out that the whole > thing was > a > >>hoax, it was completely faked: probably it had been put together by > some > >> > >>intelligence agency ... > >> > >> Finkelstein's very persistent: he took a summer off and sat in the > New > >> > >>York Public Library, where he went through every single reference in > the > >> > >>book -- and he found a record of fraud that you cannot believe. > Well, > the > >> > >>New York intellectual community is a pretty small place, and pretty > soon > >> > >>everybody knew about this, everybody knew the book was a fraud ... > >> > >> Well, as soon as I heard that the book was going to come out in > >>England, I immediately sent copies of Finkelstein's work to a number > of > >> > >>British scholars and journalists who are interested in the > Middle East > -- > >> > >>and they were ready. 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