Just for the record; I believe Bill Maher refers to himself as a Libertarian. Michael
_____ From: (RESH) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Chomsky on Peters The problem with Maher, like some others who consider themselves on the left, is just because they are anti-war, it doesn't make them leftists or liberals. I often hear folks like that say they are economic conservatives but politcial liberals and I must admit I really don't know what that means exactly. A leftist is not only anti-war because he/she knows wars are fought for economic gain, but also anti-capitalist (and may also be anti-authoritarian government, no matter what it is: if socialist or capitalist) because he/she knows that all authoritarian economic/political systems are terribly flawed when they favor a _few_ over the many. Maher says he is a capitalist. I really don't think you can have it both ways, which is why I disagree so vehemently with libertarians (not the socialist syndicalist types). Capitalism is the maximization of profits by reducing costs (mostly labor) and then the expansion and consolidation of markets. It entails outsourcing when labor costs are such that greater profits can be obtained by moving the jobs overseas. Clinton was a capitalist par exellence for eliminating welfare - even when there were not jobs enough (or paying enough) to provide for the welbeing of those being kicked off welfare. Chomsky is philosophically a socialist-anarchist (and so am I) because he realizes the flaws in bureaucratic socialism and in capitalist exploitation. And he adopts a socialist world view that each is entitled to his/her needs, and each is required to contribute per her/his ability to do so. Chomsky condemns Israeli occupation - and so do I; it is apartheid to separate Palestinians into "bantustan-like" conclaves, which has been done. The wall also insures that the separation remains. It does save lives but it makes permanent the separation and disregards the needs and nationalism of Palestinians. (Yes, nationalism sucks - all of it) And yes, there is an insurgency, more appropriately called a resistance, like the resistence in Iraq and it is justified because Israelis are occupying Palestinian territory. There is no justification for occupation. But that is not why I wanted to write something. I wanted to say on a completely unrelated point that I agree with Belzser that Anne Coulter is a facist bolemic. Hank On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, donnella whitacre wrote: > > it was some one he would have liked, instead he didn't. the week > before richard beltzer did throw a fit and threaten to walk off stage > over Anne Coulter. so context? he called her a facist party doll. and > had nothing but contemptious things to say about her. i just find > republican gays a bit unusual. 20% of them voted for bush? along with > almost all orthodox jews? strange bed fellows if you ask me. > honestly , i care not either way. i only know for myself, i have a > hard enough time with that. i don't have any heroes here. > > ----- / o o \ ===OO=====OO============================================= (4)Portals (2)News Wikis (2)Conferences - No BuSHIT! Start here: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) ========================================================= FIGHT THE RIGHT! ================== Yahoo! 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