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"Line by line, verse by verse", to quote Charlie Brown: > most of those killed are armed combatants not women and children. and I take it defending your wife and children is a crime if you're an Arab? I remember it was so once to the Romans if you were a Jew and didn't like the Romans being there. and if > they are not fighting terrorists what do you think are in those > tunnels,and why are they there. Smuggling cigarettes, food and drink - Israel's had Gaza under a siege for a bit too long. > what do you think hamas is that takes credit for every dead jew< a > social club? Hamas also runs medical facilities, aid for destitute families, etc. Social services, etc. Didn't you know? That's what the Vietcong did as well, in Vietnam. That's what gave the Vietcong their credibility amongst the ordinary Viet peasants. What do you think gives Hamas the basic credibility amongst devout Muslims? > you don't have to be in the military to be a target, all you have to do > is pick up a gun and shot at soldiers or other jews. And when Hamas applies _this_ _self-same_ logic _against_ Israelis in general, you call them terrorists, anti-Semites, etc. Just replace the words "soldiers" and "Jews" with "resistance fighters" and "Palestinians". > of course you don't know the answers, none of it is simple except the > part were we blame israel and say nothing about the actrocites of the > other side that are the reason for going into these camps to begin with. > the IDF doesn't just decide to go there and cause trouble. And when proof is offered that _that_ is _precisely_ _what_ the IDF routinely does - to go there and cause trouble - you find some excuse. To quote Gomez, "Silence" "I could wait all my life for someone to think "I can't open your eyes but I can make you blink at me "So please don't try to be nice, don't need your advice "Please leave me to die of boredom "Everyone 'round here lives in silence" Wesley Parish Quoting donnella whitacre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > ANNOUNCEMENT S and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > most of those killed are armed combatants not women and children. and if > they are not fighting terrorists what do you think are in those > tunnels,and why are they there. > what do you think hamas is that takes credit for every dead jew< a > social club? > you don't have to be in the military to be a target, all you have to do > is pick up a gun and shot at soldiers or other jews. > of course you don't know the answers, none of it is simple except the > part were we blame israel and say nothing about the actrocites of the > other side that are the reason for going into these camps to begin with. > the IDF doesn't just decide to go there and cause trouble. > > > "Michael D. Fein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > ANNO UNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > Hank, > > Once again you voice my sentiments exactly. Due to time limitations, I > do > not participate in this ongoing discussion as often as I would care to, > but > I DO read most of the postings. The fact is that there are no simple > answers. But one fact is undeniable; violence continues to breed more > of > the same. Israel is abusing its power continuously with the constant > claim > that they are fighting terrorists. But for the most part, I see them > fighting and killing civilians and innocent women and children. Now, > please > people who are reading this posting, understand that I really DO support > the > existence of the State of Israel. However, I also happen to believe the > Palestinians are entitled to a home land and both sides at this point > are > working counter to those goals. Israel is overall, the far stronger > power, > and they must use their power in a morally responsible manner. Before > you > blow up a home or neighbourhood because you THINK it might be an area > where > suspected terrorists are located, do some intelligence work and make > sure > you got it right. Going after actual terrorists is certainly > understandable > and correct. But all too often, entire neighbourhoods and people are > destroyed on suspicions with no proof ever offered before or after. The > Palestinian authority must also take aggressive action against terrorism > and > suicide bombers, but refusing to talk to each other ain't gonna > accomplish > mutual cooperation. Both sides can find reasons to continue fighting > and > come up with rationales as to why they are right. But the bottom line > is > the Palestinian leaders are being ineffective and the Israeli government > is > acting like bullies. New leadership is needed on both sides of the > equation. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Defending the Truth discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEBMASTER > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] FOLLOW UP: SECURITY FENCE > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > ANN OUNCEMENTS and ARTICLES: http://pnews.org/art/art.shtml > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, G. Waleed Kavalec wrote: > > > > > > IDF and military not the same as wanton terrorists who sneak in > > > houses and kill children and women > > > > > > No, your military bastards blow the whole house up. > > I agree with you. There is no excuse for this. It is a horrible policy > and > everyone should object to it. Those of you who are as incensed as I am > over > needless killing, should continue to speak against these practices. > Anyone who considers valid criticism is disingenuous. The progressive > position is clear. By criticizing murder does not imply someone is > antisemitic or anti-Islam if suicide bombers are also criticized, but it > not > unreasonable to see the connection - that the one motivates the other > and > the cycle goes on unabated. It must stop. > > By they way, what name should we use for you? 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