Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > >eg. winamp / gracenote assigns some CDs as "Various Artists" thats an > >indication its a comp as far as that field is concerned. > > > What do you mean "assigns some CD's"? Do you mean when ripping, or > when scanning into the library?
i mean ripping and i mean auto-tagging. winamp has no concept of comps at all. but a human knows its a comp if it says "Various Artists" which is what i meant by "indicaton." when winamp scans, it does nothing one way or the other regarding comps, it simply has no concept of them. TPE2 can tip off a human it might be a comp. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > Entering an arbitrary name is not true indicator of a compilation. How > can it be, other than for a human being to interpret the name. It is > not a compilation, it's an album by an artist called "Various Artists". > And another album by "Various" would be exactly that, not a > compilation, and nothing linking the two albums to both be considered > browsable as a group of compilation albums. look i AGREE its not a "true indication" (whatever that actually means), but that isn't the point. i also agree TPE2 has been hijacked, but thats old news. your beef is with Gracenote, not me. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > > >i am pretty sure itunes does the same thing, AND assigns a comp=1 > tag. > > > You are wrong. so if you rip a CD in itunes, and its a genuine compilaton CD, you are saying that it gets a comp=1 tag, but does NOT get a TPE2 tag? is that what you are saying? i didn't know for sure, but i'll test it if you are saying it does NOT get a TPE2 tag. if true, fair enough. but most other mainstream apps assign TPE2 and don't assign a comp tag. in fact, itunes is the only one i know of offhand that sets a comp tag at all. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > The only albums in iTunes that are compilations are ones that have > ITUNESCOMPILATION=1. If I were to enter an album artist name of > "Various Artists" (or any other text that you may like a computer to > automatically consider to be a compilation) it will not be detected > automatically as a compilation. It would be listed under "Various > Artists", not under "Compilations". ok, nothing new there to me, agreed. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > iTunes will group songs onto an album if they have an album artist tag. ok, i'd expect that. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > > >it is reality, its just you don't want to acknowledge it b/c it > doesn't > >jive with what you consider to be correct. > > > it is not reality, its just you don't want to acknowledge it b/c it > doesn't jive with what you consider to be correct. and here is where you seemingly act as if i set it all up this way. all of this has nothing to do with what i personally see as correct or incorrect. i am acknowledging the REALITY outside my own individual preconceptions. thats what i am doing that you don't do. the marketplace is what it is, and newsflash, i had nothing to do with it. i want SC to work with the marketplace reality, you don't. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > I like my library to represent reality; the information that is actually > on my CD's, how I file them in my big cabinet of CDs. and i am saying SC should use the data on the files that is actually there, as it was put there by Gracenote or whatever put it there, b/c thats the expected consistent across apps behavior users will expect. thats the whole reason i advocated 8001. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > You are saying I should be able to take an album, say "Dark Side of the > Moon", and set Compilation=1. Fine, SC can allow you to do that, but > that's not reality. In reality, the album is not a compilation, and > without custom tags to override the correct behaviour, it would never > be considered a compilation. when did i advocate marking non-comps with a comp=1 tag? sure, you could do it, but i wouldn't advocate it. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > If there were a guest performer on Dark Side of the Moon, say Frank > Sinatra was discovered as the actual singer on Us And Them, I would > want to set Album Artist=Pink Floyd to prevent it being a Compilation > album. Setting Compilation=0 should be irrelevant, as it is the album > artist that defines the album as being a Pink Floyd album, and thus not > a compilation. agreed. comp=0 is functionally not needed b/c having album artist data, such as TPE2 when 8001 is enabled, indicates to SC automatically whatever isn't a comp. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > Setting Compilation=1 would not be reality; a decision would need to be > made as to what album artist it would then appear under: Pink Floyd, > Frank Sinatra or Various Artists? a user should be able to tag it a comp if they want to, tho i wouldn't, but i wouldn't tell another user they couldn't if they wanted to. they should be able to call it whatever they want as well. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > You say in your world, every song in your library should have an album > artist. This is no standard, and no app forces that. That is a > restriction you have imposed on yourself in your own parallel > non-reality. i mean honestly, are you just trying to be argumentative or what? WINAMP AND GRACENOTE SET EVERYTHING WITH A TPE2 VALUE. will you or won't you acknowledge that? it is not about me, ok? i will say that in order to use winamp or WMP or other mainstrea apps, every album has to have a TPE2 value to browse albums effectively. will you or won't you acknowledge that as well? its not my choice, its required to use the app to browse by album artist. and its the defacto standard of mainstream apps, just as hijacking TPE2 to mean album artist is. Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > What about songs that are not on albums? Do you still set album artists > for them? songs not on albums? like singles? gracenote/winamp do, and i allow it, (for all my home rips anyway, i haven't gotten all my downloaded mp3s totally tagged yet, but the autotagger always sets TPE2). Philip Meyer;355960 Wrote: > > >i already said you may be right in an academic sense, but in the > >pragmatic sense this is not the reality on the ground, the defacto > >standard out there. > Enough of your defacto standards - there is no such word "defacto". A > spell-check suggests "defective" :-) The term you are looking for is > "De facto", which is latin meaning "in practice". > > What you discuss is not a de facto standard. In practice there are > many different ways that people work. sorry, from now on i will say de facto. what an important correction to make! getting back to the point, there are de facto standards, whether or not you want to admit it. i think its high time that you should just admit you were wrong. this whole debate started not over comp tags, but over the fact that mainstream app users have to use TPE2 on comp cds, and that gracenote sets that value. you said that wasn't true, and i have proven you wrong. if there were no de facto standards, SC would not have implemented 8001 but they did. and they wouldn't have comp tag support, but they do. the mainstream apps created the conditions SC conformed to in both cases. if you deny that, you only hurt your own credibility imo. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53822 _______________________________________________ ripping mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
