Din cate tin minte, una dintre primele strategii ale democratilor a fost de a prezenta un candidat razboinic care sa critice performanta economica a administratiei Bush, apoi s-au razgandit si au mizat pe mr Kerry si problematica irakiana. Declaratiile domnului Clark au fost facute in calitate de potential candidat, nu de simplu general american (in rezerva ). De altfel, una dintre adrese apartinea site-ului sau de campanie (http://www.clark04.com/speeches/006/). In consecinta, e greu de sustinut ca afirmatiile nu au fost facute cu mai mult cu intentia de a castiga voturi, decat de a semnala probleme.
Trimiterea la Germania era o exemplificare a ideii de mai sus, a credibilitatii discursurilor de campanie (fiindca un lider a blamat, saptamana trecuta, "lacustele" capitaliste care ar fi vinovate de starea economiei). O corectie, sunt circa 5 milione de someri, fiindca rata somajului se calculeaza in functie de forta de munca, nu ca procentaj din totalul locuitorilor (altfel ar include si pensionari, copii...). Pentru date despre Germania, vezi si http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a77q5lSqzhyk&refer=europe.
Apropos, rata somajului in US a fost in aprilie de 5,2%, vezi http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf. E pacat ca a crescut din 2000, dar totusi mie mi se pare ca s-au descurcat mai bine decat alte state dezvoltate. Din nou, este gresit sa dai vina numai pe administratia Bush pentru toate problemele Americii, dintre care decalajul social reprezinta un fenomen de durata.
Nu vad sensul referintei la macchartism si la vanarea de vrajitoare, in afara de a aminti ca exista excese peste tot. Important e sa fie corectate.
dan_d_n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit :
dan_d_n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit :
Din link se vede despre ce perioada e vorba.ideea in care apare aici
textul, EVIDENT ca nu era electorala, ci pentru a argumenta ca
prezentarea unor probleme din US nu insemna "socialism stiintific"
sau conspiratii anti-americane, cum EXAGERAT au aparut reactiile
unora.Adevarurile exprimate acolo de Gen. Clark raman VALABILE, in
ciuda incercarilor de acoperie cu eticheta "electorala", care arata
uneori numai neputinta de a suporta/explica realitatile, lucru de
altfel scuzabil pentru cei aflati la distanta de subiect si au
legatura cu el doar dintr-o anumita parte a mass-media...
Nu cunosc situatia din Germania.Parca NU de la Germania se pornise
discutia cu "manipulated Iraq policies";)).E si simplist modul de a
devia subiectul spre vesnicul si obositul sablon cu "capitalistii si
socialistii" de cate ori cineva mai prezinta si alte opinii decat
cele OFICIALE!Parca ar aminti de cuvintele lui Herbert Hoover:"the
only problem with capitalism is capitalists"...:(
In rest nu putem decat sa ne bucuram cand cineva din Romania
recunoaste perfect exagerarile din declaratia unui Gen. NATO si in
general din America, sau cand cate un domn "de bine" ne atrage
atentia FARA NICI cel mai mic slab argument ca ceva/cineva "se
ascunde in spatele finatarilor de la asa-zisele dezbateri din
universitatile americane"...Inca mai astept explicatiile cat de
hazlii ale "domnului de bine" cu "cine se ascunde in spatele, desigur
daca ele exista, sa ne lumineze si pe noi "intunericitii"...
Btw, ca un amanunt: rata somajului declarat de 10.6% in Germania la o
populatie de 82.5 mil. insemana circa 8.5 mil. de someri, NU 5 mil;).
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html
tot btw, o alta cifra merita rectificata la 5.5%,de la 5% cat ai
scris, mai nou de fapt pe la 5.7% in 2005, cam dublu fata de anul
2000 cand era 3.9%!
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
Mai departe, Mihai, spre edificare despre unde pot duce EXAGERARILE
in consecinta, ti-as sugera sa incerci sa afli cum o politica rigida
dintr-o anumita perioada a Cold War(McCharty), o perioada perimata
din care se insipra inca ACUM in 2005 "gandirea" simplista a unor
personaje, a EXAGERAT in consecinta refuzandu-i lui Chaplin cetatenia
US dupa 27 de ani de superba cariera americana!Tot pentru edificare
de exagerare pornind de la "vanatoarea de vrajitoare anti-americane",
inca un exemplu mai jos din viata unui om al carui nume te las sa-l
ghicesti(prenumele Joe), si cateva versuri spre destindere...:
Joseph was born in New York on November 5 1938. At the time of his
birth his father Jules, a Russian, was attempting to launch an acting
career while his mother B�atrice Launer, a Hungarian-born musician,
was working as a violinist in an all-female orchestra.
Soon after Joseph's birth, the family moved to Los Angeles where his
father, Jules, became one of the most prominent Hollywood movie
directors of the 40's. Meanwhile young Joe spent a golden childhood
in California with his sisters Rickie and Julie.
Yet Joe's idyllic childhood came to an abrupt end during the McCarthy
era when his father was blacklisted in Hollywood because of his
political beliefs and could no longer find work. The family left the
States and began a long period of wandering from country to country,
young Joe being dragged from one school to another. They eventually
settled in Paris in 1950. Joe, who appeared to be far more passionate
about sport than about his school studies, nevertheless managed to
pass his 'baccalaur�at' in Grenoble, even gaining a distinction. The
young boy was obviously destined for a university career, but
following his parents' divorce in 1956, Joe left France and returned
to the United States. It was here that he would finally enroll at
University of Michigan, studying medicine before switching to
ethnology. A gifted student, he soon went on to obtain a PHD in
ethnology.
Joe meets Berry Gordy and Bob Dylan
During his student days Joe earned his living through a series of odd
jobs, working as a cook, a dustbin man and a plumber, before landing
a job as a DJ on WCX radio in Detroit in 1958. It was here that he
met Berry Gordy, the famous creator of Tamla Motown. During his stay
in the States Joe became friendly with a number of top names in the
music business including young 60's folk singer, Pete Seeger, who
introduced him to a young man by the name of Robert Zimmerman (who
would later become the legendary Bob Dylan). Joe was gradually
becoming interested in music himself and he would frequently go
busking with a French friend, performing classic Brassens's songs on
the sidewalks and cafe terraces. This proved to be useful experience
for young Joe, as it gave him plenty of guitar practice.
In the early 60's Joe returned to France where he continued to pick
up a series of odd jobs. His father found him work in the film
industry but it was Joe's presenting job on the Paris-based radio
station RTL which proved to be the turning-point of his whole career.
For it was here that Joe met a press attach� from the record label
CBS who persuaded him to record a first single.
Joe's d�but single "Je change un peu de vent", an adaptation of a
popular American song of the time, was released in March 1965. It was
something of a flop, selling only 1,800 copies, but Joe was
undeterred by this early failure. He had been bitten by the music bug
and was now absolutely determined to launch a singing career. After a
fateful encounter with the songwriter Jacques Plaid Joe's career got
off to a flying start. Plaid's songs soon got the young singer
rocketing to the top of the charts and the first hit "Bip Bip",
released in 1966, turned him into an overnight star. Joe's husky,
deep voice, his exotic American origins and his natural elegance
caused a real stir on the French music scene and the singer's new
repertoire of American folk songs and country music proved to be a
welcome novelty in 60's France...
Le g�n�ral a dit
Le g�n�ral a dit: "Fermier
Toi qui n'as pas de quoi manger
Prends ta machette, viens, suis moi"
Et je le suis depuis des mois
Chante l'ami plus fort que moi
Sois plus ivre si tu peux
Danse l'ami, ne pense pas
Cette nuit on est heureux
Viens me parler de ton pays
De ta femme et de ton champ
Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie
En chantant
Le g�n�ral a dit qu'il faut
Prendre la ville de Tampico
Quand viendra l'aube elle br�lera
Et j'ai mon p�re qui vit l�-bas
Chante l'ami plus fort que moi
Sois plus ivre si tu peux
Danse l'ami, ne pense pas
Cette nuit on est heureux
Viens me parler de ton pays
De ta femme et de ton champ
Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie
En chantant
Vous, mes parents, vous m'attendez
Dans la maison o� je suis n�
Mais je n'ai plus de ville natale
C'est ce que dit le g�n�ral
Chante l'ami plus fort que moi
Sois plus ivre si tu peux
Danse l'ami, ne pense pas
Cette nuit on est heureux
Viens me parler de ton pays
De ta femme et de ton champ
Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie
En chantant
Si j'ai tu�, si j'ai vol�
J'en ai encore le coeur serr�
Tu me pardonneras le mal
C'est ce que dit le g�n�ral
Chante l'ami plus fort que moi
Sois plus ivre si tu peux
Danse l'ami, ne pense pas
Cette nuit on est heureux
Viens me parler de ton pays
De ta femme et de ton champ
Chante l'ami, car tout s'oublie
En chantant
Le g�n�ral nous a promis
De l'argent et du pain blanc
Et des troupeaux et l'eau des pluies
Et la terre aux paysans
Et dans les rues de Mexico
On nous fera un carnaval
Chante l'ami, danse l'ami
Et longue vie au g�n�ral
--- In [email protected], Mihai Zodian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ar trebui totusi mentionat ca acel articol are un caracter
electoral si exagereaza in consecinta. E suficient, pentru
comparatii, sa ne uitam la dezbaterile din Germania, unde sunt circa
5 milioane de someri, iar politicienii de la guvernare dau vina
pe "capitalisti", pentru a nu lua asemenea afirmatii prea mult in
serios in afara contextului alegerilor de anul trecut. Decalajul
social din America nu este doar problema administratiei Bush, este si
a fostelor administratii Clinton, Bush sr., Reagan etc. Nici nu se
menationeaza nici cate slujbe s-au creat in acea perioada (rata
somajului e de 5% in SUA).
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