On Sunday 19 July 2009, Ilan wrote:

> I hate to ask dumb questions, but I really don't want to mess up what I've
> downloaded.

How did you download it?  Your questions suggest you have no idea what you're 
doing, and considering how difficult it is to get Thorn and get it built, I'm 
pretty impressed you made it this far.

> I had no idea what svn up was, so I Googled and found it. I made a guess
> that my working version might well be my rosegarden directory. I fired up a
> terminal and to my total amazement, it actually updated. How exactly it
> knows where the repository is, is still a mystery to me. I assume it isn't
> connected to the Synaptic Package Manager. Never mind, it works and I was
> just curious.

No, no, package management is for much further down the road.  Nobody has made 
packages of Thorn yet.  You are working with raw developer source code in the 
most bare bones and unfriendly way possible.  You seem to already understand 
version control, just not these tools.  "svn up" is short for "update" if that 
makes it any more clear.  It syncs your working copy against the repository, 
and merges in any changes since the last time you updated.

Then you "rebuild" it the same way you built it the first time.  Normally you 
would just have to run something like:

svn up && make && ./rosegarden

>From time to time you will have to run ./configure again, or bootstrap.sh 
again, whenever we make changes to the build system itself.  It's a bit hard 
to explain when you'll have to do what, so let's just deal with those as they 
come up.

> svn up is the equivalent of Clear Case, but I am missing the Visual Studio
> compiler, linker part. I'm sure it is trivial for anyone who has done it
> once....

You could also try using Eclipse or I think it's called Qt Creator.  A couple 
of our guys are using Eclipse with good success, and Chris just reported good 
results with Qt Creator.  Myself, if there had been a decent IDE available 
when I started playing this game that's the way I would have preferred to go, 
bu the IDEs have come too late for me.  I'm set in my command line ways now, 
and don't want to take the time to learn new tools.

I have no idea how well either Eclipse or Qt Creator handle pulling down 
changes from the repository, but they might very well have some way of 
handling this built into their respective IDEs.  I imagine they probably do.

> I didn't report the quantize not working in the notation editor as a bug,
> because it isn't a bug in my eyes. You are working hard to get it all
> together and you don't need a nudnick to tell you it isn't yet hooked up. I
> am hooked up to the lists via Nabble (since I hate getting all sorts of
> mail in my in box). In Nabble I see developers and users, but no bugs.

Oh, I wouldn't report this on the tracker at SourceForge, no, but we have a 
wiki page ( http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:qt4_bug_tracker ) where we're 
keeping an informal list of bugs in this very pre-alpha development code.

I'm working on three different things on top of trying to sort out fundamental 
problems with my new computer setup, and I've lost track of what features 
still need to be pulled into the NewNotationView class.  I could assemble this 
list myself, but if I didn't have to go through the thing myself to list 
what's still broken, I wouldn't complain.  Pointing out what's broken doesn't 
make you a nudnick in this case.  Especially if you point out something that 
isn't already documented on that page.

> I will try to learn the terminology so that I can describe things
> accurately. Sometimes I just use screen shots, since they are always
> accurate.

Screenshots work fine.

-- 
D. Michael McIntyre

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