how is an Apache project more "open" than rsyslog currently is?
Is it because it would allow companies to make proprietary forks of rsyslog and
not contribute back? (something that currently they need to get a license from
Adiscon to do)
or is there some other benefit?
Rainer and Adiscon have been very open in terms of taking suggestions from
outside and implementing sponsored improvements when they decided that the
suggestions were too large a chunk to fit in the time budget for free. So unless
you expect more people to be able to tell Rainer what to work on, the
development direction would not be any more open than it is now.
David Lang
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:09:50 -0500
From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]>
Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache?
It does mean that. Anything that is pluggable and that is GPL and that
doesn't have to be in the Apache repo and could be pulled in at "make time"
could stay under any other license. I've seen this done before.
Re 2-3 months of work. One way to look at this is that by opening up
Rsyslog more you'd get more contributions (this *does* take time and
nurturing effort, but it's a win in the long term). If I were you, I would
specifically "advertise" pieces that are under GPL and that are top
priority to rewrite. Not by opening a hard to spot issue, but in some much
more prominent fashion.
Otis
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Rainer Gerhards
<[email protected]>wrote:
Let's keep the info flowing, but one important point: doesn't that mean ASL
is required? That's a medium problem, would require roughly 2 to 3 month of
re-coding (best guess) features that are currently covered by GPL code,
only.
Any thoughts?
Rainer
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Rainer Gerhards
<[email protected]>wrote:
Just a tiny note due to overload ;)
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Radu Gheorghe <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi,
I'll leave it to Otis to give more details, because he's an Apache
committer, but I believe there's a misunderstanding here.
An Apache project can still be backed up by a commercial company. Lots
of
projects are, like Solr, Flume (another logging product!) and so on. The
main advantage I see is that it's easier for the community to contribute
and drive the project forward. It's a model that seems to work for
open-source software, and lots of projects who got in there are doing
very
well - very active, growing, lots of people offering
consulting&support&professional services, building more complex products
on
top of them, packaging them in various ways, etc
I think this is an idea that would help drive more contributions and
hopefully solve the 24 hours/day problem that keeps popping up lately,
more
and more as rsyslog gets more attention. To prove the "attention"
theory,
let's look at some trends for rsyslog and some other products that came
up
in discussions lately:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=rsyslog%2C%20logstash%2C%20syslog-ng&cmpt=q
And the mailing list traffic:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.rsyslog
Maybe going to Apache would be a crazy idea in the sense that it
requires
following that procedure. And people already have too little time.
Maybe a
less crazy idea is just to put it on GitHub or somewhere similar where
it
would be easy to just send pull requests.
Well... done so 6 month ago ;) This is the initial blog post with some
progress:
http://blog.gerhards.net/2013/05/moving-to-github.html
Was announced at several places. Overall feedback is "not bad, but no
real
difference".
Rainer
This will not only make code
patches easier, but I'm thinking at documentation, tests, issues, all in
one place.
Not only contributions would be easier, but it would make things would
be
more visible. Your github profile counts for many as some sort of CV.
The
more&better you contribute, the more awesome you are (think job
opportunities and such). For the project, it would make it easier to see
how it evolves: contributions, issues, wiki - again, all in one place.
That
is familiar to many.
Apache takes this idea to a higher level, as far as I understand, so
crazy
could be crazy-good. *Could be* - I don't know, really, I'm lacking
knowledge about how Adiscon and Apache works, although I have some idea
about both. Otis, maybe you can say some more about the advantages (and
disadvantages)?
And I'm obviously curious about what the Adiscon guys have to say about
this.
Best regards,
Radu
2013/12/11 Boylan, James <[email protected]>
I agree with David. As a business who developsand supports a product,
I
can't see any reason for Adiscon to do so unless they decide to no
longer
support and develop the software.
-- James
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----- Reply message -----
From: "David Lang" <[email protected]>
To: "rsyslog-users" <[email protected]>
Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache?
Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 3:09 PM
not being an adiscon person, my first question is why they would want
to do
that?
David Lang
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:11 -0500
From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]>
Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog => Apache?
Hi,
Maybe this is a completely crazy question, but has Adiscon ever
considered
moving Rsyslog to Apache?
Thanks,
Otis
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