On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Otis Gospodnetic < [email protected]> wrote:
> I think I've been misunderstood! :) And I think I know why. > > You guys are thinking/taking git repos, master vs. not master, and such. > > I'm talking people. Specifically, potential contributors and making their > lives easier - making it easy for them to provide patches, open issues, > watch issues, comment on patches, etc. Github makes all that so much > simpler for people. > > Yup, I got that point. But it's simply incorrect to think that *everyone* nowadays wants to be on github. I know a lot of folks who do not, and many of them are contributors. Why make life harder for them? The heart of many infrastructure projects still is mailing lists and it is *annoying* that github does not take care of the traditional integration via ML, bugzilla, other sides, external wikis and such. Based on our discussions and the research I've done so far, they (more and more) begin to look to me like being eager that noone gets out once they have become github user. That's something that makes me even more careful, as I belive in *open* open source ;) It always get's dangerous if someone says there is only one solution to a problem... Put Adiscon bugzilla and Github issue tracking and ask 1000 people out > there which one they would be more likely to use. > > Do the same with Adiscon repo vs Github one. > > If I had to bet, I think Github versions would win for a number of reasons. > > That said, sure, all repos should be kept. I'm just suggesting that user / > potential contributor facing ones be the one's that are easier for people > to use. Even bugzilla could be kept - I think github has hooks that would > let you catch all activity in github issues and keep bugzilla in sync. > > If someone would come up with a working solution, I'd be all ears. I spent maybe 2 hours and asked a co-worker to look another 4 hrs into it without success. Conclusion: it's currently too much work to consider this. Again, I'd like to have the github buzz but without the lock-in and forcing people to use github. Rainer > But to maximize the chances of a potential contributor actually > contributing instead of being turned off by needing yes another account > somehwere or anything along those lines, I believe it makes more sense to > encourage use of the github repo, PRs,, commenting on them there, github > issue tracking, etc. Give this an honest push for 3-6 months..... > > Otis > -- > Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics > Solr & Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Boylan, James <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > I agree with Rainer, Ben and David on this. > > > > Calling to have everything but the Github repo shut down is unrequired. > > The nice thing about Git is that it is extremely easy to keep any number > of > > remotes up to date from your local repo with little to no effort. I > > understand Otis would like to see the SEO of a single location driven > > higher. There is a benefit to that, however sometimes SEO has to be > > sacrificed for the desires of the community. Adiscon wants to keep their > > repos active, however they are willing to look at Github to see what > tools > > and options it offers. On top of that they have setup an environment that > > allows people who prefer Github (I'll admit I'm one of them) to push > their > > PRs to the environment knowing that it will be distributed to the rest. > > > > I think this particular horse is pretty dead. All of the git repos are > > here to stay. I think we would better spend our time working on ways to > > integrate the tools together as much as possible to simplify the > > maintenance of them all. > > > > -- James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Knox > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:04 AM > > To: rsyslog-users > > Subject: Re: [rsyslog] People insight? > > > > I think the benefit of git is that there's really no draw back to the > > adiscon repo maintaining status as the "official" repo, while having an > > official presence on github. > > > > When I was working on rsyslog patches before there was a github copy, I > > would just fork the adiscon repo to github for convenience, merge any > > changes from the adiscon repo to my fork as they came, and create a patch > > to send back when I was ready. > > > > Similarly now if you prefer working entirely on github, you can fork the > > now github available version instead. > > > > I don't see the benefit to anyone (inside or outside of adiscon) to > > deprecating the adiscon repo. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Otis Gospodnetic > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:47 AM > > To: rsyslog-users > > Subject: Re: [rsyslog] People insight? > > > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:34 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The adiscon repo is _the_ authoritative repo. > > > > > > The github repo is the office repo on github > > > > > > > Ah, interesting.... that is not at all how I understood that "OFFICIAL > > rsyslog repository on github" on https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog . > But > > maybe you are right, maybe Rainer really phrased it like this in order to > > say "this is THE rsyslog repo *on Github*, all other rsyslog repos you > see > > on Github and probably forks of this repo". And the "on Github" part > > implies that this is the official rsyslog repo *ONLY* on Github and there > > are actually other non-Github repos.... and if so, I don't quite get why. > > > > Sure, I get the fear of Github disappearing, but while Github is here, > > wouldn't it be simpler to just think of that repo as THE official repo? > > Please see below. > > > > > > > If github goes away, it doesn't take _the_ master repo with it. > > > > > > > Right, because the Adiscon one is in sync, or at least that's my > > understanding. > > So if that is the case, isn't this Adiscon repo simply "Adiscon's > > insurance" in case Github disappears and not something Rsyslog > contributors > > really need to know (or be confused by)? > > > > Please read Rainer's blog post on the issue of why he doesn't want to be > > > dependent on github or any other third party. > > > > > > > Is there really a dependency is the repo on Github is *the* official repo > > if the Adiscon repo is synced to it? > > > > > > > It's very possible that there will end up being another official repo > > > on a github competitor if that competitor becomes popular enough. > > > > > > > Another official repo created by Rainer? Would be a little confusing and > > needless IMHO, but I may be missing something. > > > > Thanks, > > Otis > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > > > > > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:24:50 -0500 > > >> From: Otis Gospodnetic <[email protected]> > > >> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> > > >> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] People insight? > > >> > > >> No need to eliminate. But if one repo is labeled as official, it > > >> makes more sense to point to that repo if having 2 repos is not > > possible. > > >> Though > > >> in my mind a project wants to help contributors contribute more > > >> easily and I think in this particular case 3M+ people having Github > > >> accounts helps with that. > > >> > > >> Otis > > >> -- > > >> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics Solr & > > >> Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> remember that we are not trying to eliminate the adiscon > > >> infrastructure > > >>> or > > >>> the google juice that goes with it. > > >>> > > >>> At most we would want to add github to Ohloh, so the issue isn't > > >>> that it points at adiscon, but that the text should get an added > > >>> pointer to github. > > >>> > > >>> David Lang > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > >>> > > >>> The key part is that it doesn't encourage easier PRs or help with > > juice. > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Otis > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I forgot about Ohloh. Thanks - looks good! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Note they point to git://git.adiscon.com/git/rsyslog.... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> since the content is the same, that's not a problem. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> David Lang > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Otis > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Performance Monitoring * Log Analytics * Search Analytics Solr & > > >>>>>> Elasticsearch Support * http://sematext.com/ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Rainer Gerhards > > >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Ohloh has many of these metrics, i think better than on github: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://www.ohloh.net/p/rsyslog > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> For sone reason, the code size seems to have a problem, though. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Active *direct* commit access? Me. Hasn't been a problem so far. > > >>>>>>> As i said, i known those that need few to zero review. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Rainer > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Sent from phone, thus brief. > > >>>>>>> Am 16.12.2013 20:59 schrieb "David Lang" <[email protected]>: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:25 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Btw. where can one see a list of people who > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> A) have commit rights > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't matter, send your pull request/patches to the > > >>>>>>>>>>> mailing > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> list so > > >>>>>>>>>> they can be reviewed and someone with commit rights will > > >>>>>>>>>> review and > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> pull > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Was just curious. Anyone knows? > > >>>>>>>>> Note: this is not about Github, just curious about how many > > >>>>>>>>> (active) > > >>>>>>>>> committers there are. I like numbers and trends. :) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> active comitters has been 1-2 (Rainer with backups at > > >>>>>>>>> Adiscon) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> now, this is nowhere close to the number of contributers, which > > >>>>>>>> is a FAR more interesting number. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> As of this week, the number of possible comitters has increased > > >>>>>>>> significantly, but the number of "active" committers is > > >>>>>>>> probably not > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> going > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> to be changing much becuse most of these committers are not > > >>>>>>> going to > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>> making changes directly. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> David Lang > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > > >>>>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >>>>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >>>>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > > >>>>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by > > >>>>>>>> a myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO > > >>>>>>>> NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > > >>>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >>>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >>>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > > >>>>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by > > >>>>>>> a myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO > > >>>>>>> NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > > >>>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >>>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >>>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE > > >>>>>> WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > > >>>>>> myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT > > >>>>>> POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> rsyslog mailing list > > >>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE > > >>>>> WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a > > >>>>> myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT > > >>>>> POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> > > >>>> rsyslog mailing list > > >>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE > > >>>> WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > > >>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > > >>>> you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> > > >>> rsyslog mailing list > > >>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE > > >>> WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > > >>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > > >>> you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> rsyslog mailing list > > >> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > >> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > >> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE > > >> WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > > >> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if > > >> you DON'T LIKE THAT. > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > rsyslog mailing list > > > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE > > > WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of > > > sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > > > DON'T LIKE THAT. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rsyslog mailing list > > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE WELL: > > This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of sites > > beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE > > THAT. > > _______________________________________________ > > rsyslog mailing list > > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE WELL: > > This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of sites > > beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE > > THAT. > > _______________________________________________ > > rsyslog mailing list > > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > > NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > > of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > > DON'T LIKE THAT. > > > _______________________________________________ > rsyslog mailing list > http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog > http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ > What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards > NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad > of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you > DON'T LIKE THAT. > _______________________________________________ rsyslog mailing list http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT.
