Always good to hear. 

I admit that I  am of mixed feelings about the direction they are going. For a 
Standard user workstation point of view I have to say it does make sense. But 
it would make enterprise implementations much more difficult.

-- James


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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:40 AM
To: rsyslog-users
Subject: Re: [rsyslog] systemd without journal

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Boylan, James <[email protected]>wrote:

> I can do that. Verified that it is in Fedora 20 ( 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=998573). I'll have to look 
> into finding a place to install it. I'll probably just install a local 
> VM for it.
>
> I definitely agree that it might be prudent to create two different 
> implementation processes. One for the average user that is just 
> looking to install Rsyslog and the forwarding would work and the high 
> end users who require every little mhz of resources a system can 
> provide. My hope is that we'll be able to come up with a clean way of 
> implementing this that doesn't require a hack and can be done with a standard 
> RPM install.
>
> I'll keep you in the loop of what I can find.
>
>
excellent, thanks, much appreciated. Note that I will attend the European 
Fedora developer conference in about 3 weeks and I'll be able to talk to the RH 
package maintainer in person (we know each other for quite a while... and had 
quite some beers ;)). This may also bring up some good ideas (even though RH 
and Adiscon probably will end up with different views anyhow).

Rainer


> -- James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Rainer Gerhards
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:14 AM
> To: rsyslog-users
> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] systemd without journal
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Boylan, James 
> <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > I had a sneaking suspicion that would be the case. I might setup a 
> > system running the Fedora version with this setup (Fedora 20 I 
> > think?) when its available to do some tests on exactly how it is 
> > implemented and what possible options exist. That should help me be 
> > a bit ahead of the game for when it finally makes it's way into CentOS.
> >
> >
> Oh, that would be great. I admit I was so busy the past month that I 
> didn't even bother to try this. As a side-note, I have some 
> replacement library work lying around that can be preloaded and 
> redirects logging traffic to a diffrent socket. It's hackish, but may 
> be needed in high performance environments.
>
> In any case, please keep us updated -- maybe we can craft some of the 
> new packages based on your findings.
>
> I really think we need two sets of standard things: one for the low 
> end, where folks are happy with the journal and just would like to get e.g.
> router messages into it .... and one for real logging...
>
> IMHO both are valid use cases.
>
> Rainer
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