---I don't mean to impose my ideas or dictate how to design ones 
layout, but I find visible yards a design feature i'm not interested 
in devoting space and other resources to. During the ongoing design 
for my new point-to-point switching layout,I have incorprated 3 
hidden stagging yards and devoted the visible layout portion to long 
runs between towns/industries with plenty of room for scenery. Am I 
the only one with this mentality?

  In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WOW 20" would never work for me. I have a 48" X 16' yard, it's a
> peninsula but it's still a yard. I want my Sn3 to go above the
> Std gauge so I'll need 30" wide bench work in some areas. So I
> hope none of those LDSIG guys ever see my layout they will
> really tear me up.
> I say what ever you like and want is all that matters. It's your
> layout and your hobby, all the rest of them can do what they
> want. Unless you are part of the LDSIG group then you have to
> follow the rules. 
> My layout my rules, I use the NASG std's for some things but I
> also use 44" curves so mt heavy weights will run and look good.
> I'm using 30" in Sn3.
> 
> OK I'm done, for now
> Bob Black
> --- Edward Loizeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > From:  "skipmersereau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > >my take on the LDSIG (Layout Design SIG) to which I
> > subscribe, is
> > that all the layouts really end up looking alike....in their
> > plans.
> > This isn't a criticism but a realization that there are only
> > so many
> > ways you can adapt all the thousands of miles of track and
> > scenery on
> > a prototype into a 2 or 2.5 foot depth model right-of-way.
> > 
> > 
> > "S"kip.........
> > 
> > You just hit upon one of my favorite observations about the
> > LDSIG folks
> > with their set of "rules" (sincere trackplan, staging yards,
> > etc.).
> > There is a very high degree of similarity between all the
> > layouts that
> > follow these rules.  Along the wall is obviously the most
> > popular by a
> > large margin.  Well, y'get more track into the room space that
> > way.
> > Mostly, they are pretty flat.  Even the double-decker layouts
> > are
> > essentially two flat surfaces connected by a helix both of
> > which run
> > along the walls.  Three dimensionality is more or less
> > missing.
> > Everthing is 20" deep at the most.  Gotta keep everything
> > within an
> > arm's length is one of the rules, y'know.  And ya gotta follow
> > the rules
> > or else the other LDSIG guys will point out your inadequacies.
> > And there
> > are lots and lots and lots of switches all over the place. 
> > The more
> > switches the better.  After all, the challenge of the game is
> > to figure
> > out how to get all those freight cars onto the right siding. 
> > The heck
> > with running through the countryside and enjoying the scenery.
> >  That is
> > a different game.  Having the loco in one town and the caboose
> > in the
> > adjacent town is good -- not unrealistic.  Especially good if
> > there are
> > 14 sidings between towns which is about equal to one train
> > length.
> > Gotta follow the rules....
> > 
> > Now of course, there are exceptions.  And I don't mean to
> > criticize the
> > way someone else enjoys the hobby.  That is their right to do
> > so.  But I
> > do agree with Skip that most all of the layouts that follow
> > the LDSIG
> > guidelines sure do look alike in most respects.  But if that
> > is the
> > layout of your dreams, nothing wrong with it.  Go for it!
> > 
> > Cheers...Ed L.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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