--- In [email protected], "Ed Kozlowsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> here's a puzzle for you.

I like puzzles. Especially the kind I can figure out.  Wish me luck.

> I've stripped all 
> the copper off of the tie bar.

The photo shows copper still on the throw bar except for the topside 
area between the points.  Is the rest of the copper still on as shown 
in the photo?  One possibility is that there is a short between the 
top side of the throw bar and the bottom side -- assuming, of course, 
the bottom side still has all the copper on it.  Might a sliver of 
solder or something else be connecting the top side with the bottom 
side?  Perhaps unsolder the throwbar and remove copper in the center 
area of the bottom side if some kind of mystery short circuit between 
top side and bottom side exists.

Another possibility is that the top side of the throw bar is touching 
the bottom of the stock rail -- on both stock rails -- at the same 
time.  And, if there is a short circuit somewhere else (away from 
this specific turnout), then that short will appear as a short 
between your points.  But the short is not within this turnout at 
all -- it just appears to be.

> The stock rails are dead.

Have you checked the stock rails for a short circuit?  The photo 
shows some stock rails connected to other trackage via a rail 
joiner.  

> If I use an 
> ohm meter to check continuity, the two point rails are shorted.

Maybe so, but you can still run the trains through the switch if the 
stock rails are not shorted to each other.  Granted, this is not good.

> I can 
> slightly bend the points downward so they make no contact with the 
> stock rails...the points are still shorted.

But is the top side of the throw bar making contact with the bottom 
of the stock rails?  Maybe a small piece of wire/solder/etc. is in 
there somewhere even though they appear not to touch each other. Can 
you slide a thin piece of paper between the stock rails and the 
throwbar?
> 
> Can anyone offer a suggestion before I rip out this turnout and 
trash 
> it.

First suggestion is to NOT rip out the turnout until AFTER you 
determine what the problem is.  This is a solvable problem and not 
worth trashing the turnout over.  

Second suggestion:  How about slicing a strip of topside copper off 
the throw bar in the area between the open point and the adjacent 
stock rail.  See if that improves the situation.

Third suggestion:  Buy Dick Karnes an airplane ticket and he will 
solve the problem for you if nothing else works.

> I'm really stumped on this one.

Good puzzle.  Not sure if I helped, but it will be interesting to 
find out.

> Ed Kozlowsky
> Sanford, Maine

Ed Loizeaux
California



 
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