John, There is no sense in getting into a long discussion regarding what is 'really' scale and was intended to be a toy. At the time when most of AF was made, it was as good as most models were (probably Lionel's scale Hudson was the exception). I run some convered AF stuff on my layout and I have never had anybody ever say--hey that looks like AF or a toy. Hopefully my modeling skills made it fit right in with my PRS, SHS and my brass and resin stuff. Now compare your finest HO or 0 scale steam engine and you will find that they had to spread out the drivers because everybody's flanges are way too big, therefore nobody can really call their engine scale either.
What I was agreeing with was the idea that everything that fits on S track is certainly S scale--what else could it be? It's all 1/64 to one degree or another. To take this 'degree thing' a bit further, at the next train show go up to the finest HO modeler you know and tell him his flanges are hi-rail. If he doesn't give you a black eye you will have certainly insulted his modeling. Next approach the best N guy and tell him is rail is way too large--you might get a second shiner! Then if you have any 0 guys around ask him why is track is way too wide and then duck! LOL Now speaking of vehicles. I have several of those old Ford trucks made by PBL and some that Heimberger sold (something like Efsi from England). If you compare them to the Hartoys and several other vehicles you will see a wide range of physical sizes. Well about three weeks ago I worked with a client by the name of Sterling McCall who was a large Toyota, Lexis, Nissian multi dealer. Well he took is millions and moved to the country and started an old car museum. I photographed his display of most vintage caddy's. However, in one corner was a old Ford oil delivery truck (I don't know if it was a T or an A, but it was made in the 20's--I don't go back that far). That little guy was about the size of the VW Bug--two people would have trouble sitting on the seat and the tank itself couldn't have been more than 3-400 gallons proving that my models might be a tad too small but still pretty darn close. Bob Werre BobWphoto.com John Degnan wrote: > I respectfully, completely disagree. Just because someone calls > something by a name doesn't make it whatever it was called. G scalers > call their TOY trains "G scale," but there is LITTLE to NOTHING scale > about most of the offerings in that "scale(?)." > > And go look at the die-cast automobile offerings from Johnny Lightning > and other such manufacturers which IDENTIFY themselves (on the > package) as 1/64, and tell me again if their claim to being 1/64 > "SCALE" actually makes them 1/64 scale. > > And besides... when AF/Gilbert was in business, there really wasn't > anything that was truly "SCALE" in the first place... maybe of the > general size, but nothing exact. I guess this is where JL and other > die-cast manufacturers got their gall to label their 1/70 "scale" (and > smaller and larger) offerings as being 1/64 "scale." > > I mean no disrespect by this, Bob... but, "Right on" for the painful > truth. > > :) > > > John Degnan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > John's World on the Web > www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm > <http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/welcome.htm> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Werre <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: February 20, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S Scale? > > > Right on Ted! > > >> T Larson wrote: > >> > >> Some list members seem to think that AF is not S scale, or that > Hi-Rail > >> is not S Scale. Look at The Dispatch, volume XXXI, Number 6, > back cover > >> (you ARE an NASG member, right?). AM advertises that they make > "S scale > >> freight cars", and "S scale steam engines", and they show photos of > >> items that have AF compatible (hi-rail) wheels and couplers. > The SIZE > >> of the engines and freight cars is S scale (1/64th scale, 3/16" > per foot > >> scale), regardless of which style couplers and flanges they have. > >> > >> Also look inside the back cover. The cover of the AF > instruction book > >> refers to "3/16" scale trains". It looks like we have it > straight from > >> AC Gilbert, AF considered their trains to be S scale. The use > of SCALE > >> here appears to reference the SIZE of the trains, not the level of > >> accuracy of the details on the train or the layout. > >> > > Ted Larson > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
