> Yeah, but its still BRASS... leaving most of us facing two facts... 
> (1) its will be priced out of reach of most of us, AND (2) it will 
> probably have operational issues (read : won't run well). John 
> Degnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Agreed, John.  RTR brass and brass kits are expensive but if you build it 
yourself, you can get the accuracy that you most want.  Other materials are 
fine, but I am most comfortable in the brass building arena...and as far as 
expense goes, how many steam locos does one need or plan on building?

It takes at least 200 hours to build a brass loco not including the paint 
job which I always figure it takes about 20 to 25 hours to do properly.  
Believe me, I've timed it.

On the other hand, a composite kit is probably the way to go because it is 
easier to build and perhaps less time. A built up mechanism may be the way 
to go as well.  I am starting to lean toward that approach in future kits.  
But I am not sure how my customers would feel about spun cast or resin parts 
though.  I did have to field a few comments about the CNR K-3 Pacific kit 
having a cast resin cylinder chest instead of having to be built up from 
brass etchings.  Trust me, the time involved to install a cast resin 
cylinder chest is minimal versus having to build one out of brass etchings 
and castings and in the cast resin case,  there are no chances of short 
circuit from errant engine truck wheels.

Although I take great pride in making locos run well and it is a fun thing 
for me to do, I am not sure everyone else shares the same enthusiasm.  So 
the older RTR brass is not a problem for me.  I am told that the new stuff 
from RR and PBL are excellent runners right out of the box.

I have seen older S scale brass go for really cheap prices compared to HO 
(ie MLW/Alco RS11m for $400 in S versus $500+ in HO).  I figure it's because 
either we really don't have the numbers of people yet to create the demand 
or people in S are really nicer and try to keep the prices down to attract 
more people;->

As far as HO brass goes, I predict that prices will decline unless you are a 
collector because eventually there will be so much inexpensive accurate 
stuff available that is composite or 'plastic' that the brass market will 
fall.  It is happening right now with HO Canadian prototypes.  CNR and CPR 
plastic cabooses just hit the market for $39 and were sell-outs and now you 
can't give away a resin or wood caboose kit.  The brass ones are falling in 
price from $200 plus to less than $100.  Will this happen in S?  Not sure.  
But if an S scale USRA light Mike comes out for less than $650 that is 
scale, I think that the OMI brass ones ($650 to $1000+), which are poor 
running unless you change out the gearing and are inaccurate, will lose 
their value. 

As far as kit running qualities go, I would put any one of my Pacifics that 
I have built using an AM mechanism with a Falhbaur motor with a 3.45:1 
gearhead against anything that anyone else has to offer.


cheers,

Andy Malette
www.mlwservices.ca

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