Ed.. I agree based on what I know about John B. and this project. Bill, how did he "lose his butt"? Ed is correct as I understand the situation. You guys just touched a hot button for me.
I worked with John early on getting him LOTS of data/photos (as did Lee Johnson, I believe). I certainly try not to trash anyone's rep, but there is NEVER, NEVER a good excuse for simply taking other people's hard-earned deposit money for yourself. So far, that is what has happened. In the real world that is know as theft. A very few angry folks got their money back or his brass gons in trade. The rest of us, who still had faith in John doing the project, were simply strung along (because John asked us to be patient) and we are now out thousands of bucks for trusting the guy. I've saved dozens of his emails to prove that point. Ya never really know about someone until money enters the equation. In this case, John took deposits thru PayPal, so I doubt he will ever be able to use eBay again. We all have a clear track record of the deposit payments to Cryer-Grey. If we add up the total dollars paid, it probably constitutes some serious money as a fraud perpetrated across state lines. Think about that JB. This has happened before in S and probably will again, even when we have total trust in the individual overseeing the project. There's still no excuse for stealing money in this hobby or in the world at large. You can't simply write this off as "just business". I'm still waiting for John to answer my last email on refunds (9 months ago). Bob Hogan Madison, GA --- In [email protected], "Ed" <loize...@...> wrote: > > > I seriously doubt that there will > > ever be any refunds from Creyer Gray. > > While John B. had good intentions, > > he lost his butt. > > Bill Winans > > Something is amiss with this picture. There never was a contract with a > builder. There never was a pilot model. There were one or two photos of a > detail part or two. Nothing else was ever actually manufactured to the best > of my knowledge. So how can a person lose his shirt (or any other part of > his anatomy) when tooling or manufacturing never got started? It would seem > to me (an innocent bystander for once) that the deposit money should be > lurking in an escrow account somewhere waiting to be refunded. Lots of > speculation with few facts, but what else is available? Just trying to help > out the RRM project. Good luck...Ed L. > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
