--- In [email protected], "Michael" <wsmwrr@...> wrote:
>
> I've been reading a lot of the posts on here the past several days about
> where we are and where we came from etc. I can't believe how narrow minded
> the majority of the guys in here are. Not narrow gauge minded either. This
> is 2012 NOT 1962, 72, etc...! This argument that "good enough should be good
> enough" is crap! This scale needs to begin to attract NEW modelers to it.
> If you want S Scale to continue to be the good ole boys club that it's been
> for the past 50 years than it will die! The AF guys need to begin to
> understand that the future of any scale is in scale modeling. If it weren't
> for guys like Jim King we wouldn't have any new stuff coming out right now.
> AM and SHS need update their catalogs and start coming out with new models
> that reflect what is wanted in the hobby NOW! Not from 40 years ago, or 20
> years ago, but NOW!
>
I'm far from narrow-minded. I'm aware what's going on in the other scales and
they all have one thing over S: Large manufacturers...
In case you haven't noticed, AM, SHS and SSA are small outfits by comparison.
SMMW is even smaller. For good or bad, Lionel is the largest manufacturer S
has.
Michael, obviously you are unaware of the trials and tribulations of the S
Scale manufactures being kicked out of Sanda Kan, having to liberate their
tooling and set up shop elsewhere.
Do you not believe that AM, SHS and SSA would rather be introducing and
producing new product than being FORCED to be idle for over a year?
> I'm soon to be 42 years old and I am on the bottom of the age scale in S
> scale. I am a SCALE MODELER NOT A TOY TRAIN COLLECTOR! If I am going to pay
> $80, 90 more for a car, then it better damn well be accurate right down to
> the last bolt. If I am going to pay $300 or more for an engine, it better
> not have a swinging pilot that I can "modify" to make it not do that, it
> better be exactly the way the prototype is. "Good enough" isn't good enough
> anymore. This argument about remembering where we came from, is crap too.
> Technology and other modern advances, like laser cutting, have made it a lot
> easier to produce models in scale and be more precise. You didn't have that
> stuff back then. Back then you had to create and build what you wanted.
> However, with that said, because of the pigion hole that S scale is in with
> manufacturers it's still that way to a degree. Maybe not the the degree that
> it was 20 years ago or more, but it's still there. The scale is viewed as a
> TOY! That's evedent by Lionel's offerings in S. They all look like toys,
> not scale models. Enough with the 6 axle crap too. SD60's and U33C's are
> not going to attract anyone to the hobby. GP38-2's, GP40's, Switch engines
> etc. are what is needed. Things that people can see every day right now.
> The SD70ACe is a joke. If you're going to build something, do it right!
>
NO model is accurate down to the last rivet or bolt, otherwise, why is there a
big screw holding on the trucks? Why are not the air lines hollow? Why do not
the brakes function? Use Kadee couplers? They surely aren't accurate.
I have yet to see a prototype locomotive with a big, honkin' 12v DC motor and
flywheels under the hood driving the trucks.
Respect the past, dude. It's always there. Today too, shall one day be "The
Past" and some other young buck will be complaining that why do people want
GP38-2's instead of GP-100's.
What's with the rant on modern six wheeled truck diesels??? I see SD70ACe's
and SD60's every time the BNSF delays me from getting home from work.
> I have said it in the past. If this scale is to advance, it needs to do so
> in SCALE NOT AF. Thanks Mr. Gilbert for making what you did, but I guess we
> should all still be driving model A's or living in log homes with no running
> water. The time do advance the scale is now! So come out from under
> whatever rock you AF guys are under and see the bigger picture here.
>
> Michael Ostertag
> Green Bay, WI
Listen, I remember when rubberbands were used to run HO model trains.
S scale WILL gain collateral advantage with a growth in Flyer. Should Scale
rely on Flyer for growth, certainly not. But, you're not going to see Atlas,
Athearn or any other large train manufacturer enter S anytime soon.
I'm a realist. I'm fully aware of the capabilities of our S Scale
manufacturers. Instead of complaining about the position of nuts and bolts or
whether or not the pilots have that swing, I look at what is suitable and
usable.
It's part of being broad-minded.
One more thing, Mr. S Scaler... Perhaps the best ambassador S Scale has is
Brookes Stover. His BC&G has had the most coverage and praise in the model
railroad press of any S Scale railroad.
But, you probably wouldn't like him. He uses deep-flanged equipment and
oversize rail.
Rich G(ajnak)
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