From: Alan Lambert Our deep soil level is about 2 feet give or take a foot because of bedrock that you have to drill through and that causes more problems in my state (Texas) . Hydrostatic pressure or not. Thanks, Alan
________________________________ From: John <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures If you have a deep soil area you get what is called hydrostatic pressure. That can be worse than rock (depending on the density.). When I was the local zoning inspector I gave all the permits. Builders varied in their capability. We have a an 18 inch sandstone block wall. 112 years old. It can spall off if painted. Some areas are very hard, some softer. It's been a 38 year game in several spots with leaks. Leaks move. Today all the new basements are cast on one pour of concrete, (with steel rod reinforcement). Footer drains go a long way. OR ,Build half you basement above ground, Of course if there are not enough Irish or Italians around that know what holes, or shovels are you are out of luck. John Armstrong Try that as one piece ----- Original Message ----- >From: Alan Lambert >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures > > >From: Alan Lambert > >John, >Would take one the same size as the house foudation without burning up the >motor. We would have constsnt seepage if you know what that is. > Thanks, > Alan > > > >________________________________ >From: John <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:13 PM >Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures > > > > >Put in sump pumps. John Armstrong >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Alan Lambert >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:13 PM >>Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures >> >> >>From: Alan Lambert >> >>Well put, >>Depends on the area's watertable as to where basements are. That and type of >>soil, ( clay) that we (Texas ) have to deal with. >> Thanks, Alan >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: Carey Probst <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:05 PM >>Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures >> >> >> >>A lot of Florida is the same way. Has a lot to do with the high water >>tables. Clearwater's high point being about 6 ft above sea level. >> >>In NY where I used to live basements were common and my well was 340 >>feet deep. >> >>Carey >> >>Carey Probst >> >>Member, M.I.T. Educational Council >> >>S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF >> >>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, >> >>the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. >> >>On 3/12/2012 11:38 AM, Alan Lambert wrote: >>> From: Alan Lambert >>> Lone Star Flyer club >>> Arlington, Texas >>> Bob, >>> I can relate to the lack of basements in models. It must be a Texas >>> thang. You know we don't have basements In Fort Worth or the whole >>> state for that matter. One thing I really miss. I guess that is where >>> scratch building comes in. Add our own basement. Come up to our lo.cal >>> train shows sometime At Plano we were on the local CH. 11 news from >>> unloading til we had the layout up and running. Plugging this years >>> show's. >>> Thanks , >>> Alan >>> *From:* Bob Werre <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2012 10:21 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: {S-Scale List}old structures/new structures >>> >>> Friends, >>> >>> I also have been somewhat overwhelmed with the quality and quantity of >>> structure kits in our favorite scale. Back when I started my layout >>> it was pretty much FinesKinds, Mini-structures, and Leigh Valley. And >>> like everybody at the time, I inherited the basic Mini-structures >>> single story station and I built the Leigh branchline station. It >>> didn't take me too long before discovering that everybody else had >>> those same structures. But over the years we've added so many neat >>> buildings. I enjoy building structures so if you add up all the false >>> fronts on my layout I bet I'm in the 150-200 range. So I have a 1:1 >>> ratio between cars and structures (that was for Jim King). I probably >>> have a dozen car kits to build and only two structure kits waiting in >>> line. >>> >>> I'll agree with Jim here, and say simple buildings will work in most >>> situations. I too have one Bar Mills buildings...love it, but one >>> goes a long way. I often stop along roads less traveled, stop in >>> small towns and photograph all the neat and varied buildings on >>> mainstreet. I did that when coming back from Bob Jackson's layout in >>> Illinosis, I did it in Fort Worth near the stockyards, covered some >>> neat buildings with Bill Click a few years back in some East Texas >>> villages. I photographed some basic buildings near my hometown in >>> South Dakota that garnered an award with a local graphics society. I >>> look at all the detail that you can add to a kit from Plasticville on >>> up, to make it look like it's been there a long time. >>> >>> However, one thing most kits/final buildings seem to lack is >>> provisions for a basement. Many areas have basements and I've only >>> seen one, the Monon Shop provided one on his Bob's Barbershop kit. >>> I'm talking about a raised building with small windows near ground >>> level and around the perminter. Often there was an outside stairway >>> leading down to the basement level. That stairway usually had a pipe >>> safety railing and the local guys would sit on that railings--a great >>> place to add character! >>> >>> One thing I wish for is a windmill. I've seen an etched brass version >>> in HO while I have two of the earlier Woodland's scenic's soft metal >>> versions. Even though windmills differ vastly in height these don't >>> even match the smallest I've seen, so they only work really far in the >>> distance for S. A windmill would work for any isolated water tank >>> until the late steam era, and many farms still have and use them >>> today. I feel one would have to do a tremendous amount of work to >>> solder one together and I need 2-3 on my layout...so that remains on >>> my wish list! >>> >>> Bob Werre >>>> Guys: >>>> >>>> At the risk of growing the thread, my random, non-critical thoughts >>>> on others' thoughts: >>>> >>>> The elephant in the room that seems to be so often overlooked, is >>>> that we are very small numerically speaking, with widely varying >>>> architectural needs and wants While a lot of guys on this list >>>> complain about how little is available in structure kits, I marvel at >>>> how much there actually is. If you were to add up all the S scale >>>> offerings, past and present from various structure manufacturers, >>>> I'm sure it would number into the hundreds. >>>> >>>> Personally, I enjoy scratch building specific (to my needs) >>>> structures, but I do buy the odd kit if I think I can make it fit the >>>> scene I want to create. When considering a kit, I prefer simple, >>>> typical structures. >>>> >>>> I love the look of Bar Mills structures but but too many on my layout >>>> would make it look like a theme park. I have purchased their "One >>>> Kit" because it's a clever concept I can probably use in the future >>>> without have to scare up a lot of scratch building materials >>>> >>>> >>>> Back to the typical, I will be ordering Altoona's branch line water >>>> tank. It's close enough to what I need. Typical sells, At least to me. >>>> >>>> As for those who can't find a structure kit specific to their needs, >>>> try scratch building. The fact that you're willing to tackle a kit >>>> at least means you have no" tool allergies" >>>> >>>> My two cents >>>> >>>> Cheers' >>>> Jim Martin. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6960 (20120312) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6960 (20120312) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6961 (20120312) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6961 (20120312) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
