--- In [email protected], "Ed"  wrote:
> The conversation is not about O China drive diesels.  It is about the 
> Y-3 and SD70 which are S scale/gauge products.

 hi Ed, Well maybe folks are trying to discuss two things at once with me? I 
thought it was about toy train drives versus scale drives? If so O is highly 
relevant as there are more locos to do direct comparisons with. I may be wrong 
but it looks like S is shaping up to be the same battle between scale and toy 
train interests that O went thru years ago, and it's funny that a switcher 
might be the indicator for both scales. AtlasO built a nice scale switcher then 
caved into moans from the toy train guys about it being too slow(it was only 
slightly faster than scale speed)not loud enough and no smoke, so they changed 
the design of their locos to the infamous twin motored china drives.The SHS is 
every bit as nice a loco as the AtlasO switcher so if MTH ends up building S 
scale versions of the china drive speedsters instead of more SHS type locos 
we'll know scale guys have lost again. The interesting part of the story is 
Atlas didn't change their HO or N scale products to be more toy like, they kept 
improving them :>) ....DaveBranum 



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