Y'know, the soon to be released PBL 60 ton Shays have:

A vertical can motor...

Exposed gears...

And heavens to betsy, tender drive!

I guess this classifies them as a toy train locomotive!


Rich G(ajnak)


--- In [email protected], "ctxmf74"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Ed"  wrote:
> > The conversation is not about O China drive diesels.  It is about the 
> > Y-3 and SD70 which are S scale/gauge products.
> 
>  hi Ed, Well maybe folks are trying to discuss two things at once with me? I 
> thought it was about toy train drives versus scale drives? If so O is highly 
> relevant as there are more locos to do direct comparisons with. I may be 
> wrong but it looks like S is shaping up to be the same battle between scale 
> and toy train interests that O went thru years ago, and it's funny that a 
> switcher might be the indicator for both scales. AtlasO built a nice scale 
> switcher then caved into moans from the toy train guys about it being too 
> slow(it was only slightly faster than scale speed)not loud enough and no 
> smoke, so they changed the design of their locos to the infamous twin motored 
> china drives.The SHS is every bit as nice a loco as the AtlasO switcher so if 
> MTH ends up building S scale versions of the china drive speedsters instead 
> of more SHS type locos we'll know scale guys have lost again. The interesting 
> part of the story is Atlas didn't change their HO or N scale products to be 
> more toy like, they kept improving them :>) ....DaveBranum
>




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