On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:28 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:35:23 PM UTC, William wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > as >>> > https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows >>> > says: >>> > "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and >>> > Education >>> > (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft Hyper-V." >>> > So this looks like we are SOL with Docker as the primary way to provide >>> > Sage >>> > on Windows... >>> >>> I don't know anything about the current Windows install ecosystem >>> among our target audience. On what basis do you conclude that a very >>> substantial fraction don't have the ability to run Docker? >> >> >> Well, go to something like dell.com and see for yourself. >> A standard Windows edition sold with budget laptops is not Professional, it >> is Home. >> (and still Windows 8.1 is available, and people choose it for a variety of >> reasons) > > OK, you win. And it costs $100 to upgrade, evidently. Forget my > remarks about Docker for windows. It's clear Docker has very much > become mainly a developer tool -- at least on Windows -- not a > software delivery system. Oh well.
This is not exactly true, but you couldn't be blamed for thinking otherwise. Docker has been frustratingly unclear in communicating their strategy regarding Windows, and while I have mostly teased it out, I have, in turn, had a frustrating time trying to dispel misconceptions. What you say is mostly true, yes, but "Docker for Windows" is the name of a *specific* product--it should be read almost like "Docker for Windows™". It's not "Docker™ (for Windows)", i.e. *the* release of Docker, for Windows. They have been trying to position it as such in order to reduce the number of products they're supporting, which is why the information is unclear. But there is still also the Docker Toolbox (which predates "Docker for Windows") which does not depend on Hyper-V. I think they are trying to deprecate that but as far as I can tell they haven't officially done that either. It could still be taken over as a community project if Docker Inc. does not support it anymore. Docker Toolbox is what my initial attempt at distributing a Sage for Windows running on Docker was based on. This still has some problems as a "software delivery system", however, as I reported in detail here: https://github.com/OpenDreamKit/OpenDreamKit/wiki/D3.1-Virtual-images-and-containers#sagemath So Docker Toolbox still has limitations, but will work on a wider range of systems than "Docker for Windows". That said, it's tricky to use simply for "software delivery" for end users, and was never really intended for that in the first place. For that matter, the Windows Subsystem for Linux (aka "Bash for Windows" which is really a terrible misnomer), is also meant purely as a developer tool. This is why my efforts are still focused on getting Sage to actually work on Windows (which it does now, or did, but keeping up with the moving target of Sage's dependencies has been a nightmare. For example, Sage was working great on Windows until the upgrade to Singular 4 which broke everything again). All that said, for now, I would still strongly suggest Docker as the best way to run Sage on Windows. >>> ** Hey Stan Schymanski ** does your student have the ability to run >>> Docker? >>> https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/ >>> >>> William >>> >>> -- >>> William (http://wstein.org) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
