I can adapt. Have nostalgia for those parts of our past , while embracing something ,new and DIFFERENT in the now. However, I empathize with those who cannot. Change is hard.
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan <adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@lycos.com> wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. "If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie." ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000 From : "sincere1906" <sincere1...@gmail.com> To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906" wrote: > > Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... > > S P O I L E R S ! ! ! > > I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. > > The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? > > On this, I'm truly torn. > > First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this "Ultimate Star Trek!" There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. > > Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but "what the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminat ing povert! y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime directive. > > My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. 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