But this is scifinoir...where we can get into convulted arguments about everything from individuality and consciousness in the Borg to whether Balrogs have wings. That's what makes this little reality Tracey created for us so special--cuz we can't do so in most other places. And fear not, I'm not asking anyone to be divided by loyalties nor am I stewing in prejudice (?) and/or nostalgia. lol Just having a lively discussion... :)
Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Meta" <hett...@...> wrote: > > I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this > non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a > convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. > > Meta > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb <justinmohareb@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not > > going to like this film. > > > > I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or > > even, at this point, care. > > > > Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. > > > > That leaves more seats for the rest of us. > > > > Justin > > > > On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan > > <adrianne.brennan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie > > > all of my life--*loved* the movie! > > > > > > > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > > > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > > > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > > > Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: > > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker013@ > > > > wrote: > > > That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own > > > words. > > > > > > "If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > > > > > > Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* > > > > > > Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000 > > > > > > From : "sincere1906" <sincere1906@> > > > > > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... > > > > > > SPOILERS! > > > > > > SPOILERS! > > > > > > SPOILSRS! > > > > > > > > > Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we > > > got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must > > > be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some > > > alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon > > > as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through > > > the time line? > > > > > > Jes thinkin aloud... > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906" wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am > > > just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing > > > this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... > > > > > > > > S P O I L E R S ! ! ! > > > > > > > > I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. > > > There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. > > > I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to > > > Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. > > > > > > > > The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group > > > like this, is was it good Trek? > > > > > > > > On this, I'm truly torn. > > > > > > > > First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you > > > know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! > > > Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing > > > Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been > > > severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- > > > right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never > > > seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers > > > of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their > > > hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual > > > minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, > > > not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They > > > should call this "Ultimate Star Trek!" There's a sense of loss here > > > knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer > > > exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future > > > figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! > > > first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit > > > into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. > > > > > > > > Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure > > > out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with > > > all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical > > > positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I > > > don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision > > > here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and > > > politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more > > > than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack > > > Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but "what > > > the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a > > > post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern > > > Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek > > > world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the > > > verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes > > > of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert! > > > y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism > > > and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if > > > Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly > > > utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this > > > Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can > > > possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era > > > the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't > > > see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime > > > directive. > > > > > > > > My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't > > > have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of > > > principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good > > > and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment > > > before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... > > > > > > > > MHO > > > > > > > > Sin/Black Galactus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > > > Calendar > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=map > > > MARKETPLACE > > > I Got Fired But now make $350/day online!. > > > I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! See how I do > > > it: WealthResource.org. > > > Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their > > > families, for the world and for each other > > > > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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