With Meta in the house if we can get George and Leslie commenting as well as the new family members it will be a true star trek/scifinoir family reunion
-----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb <justinmoha...@...> wrote: > > Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not > going to like this film. > > I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or > even, at this point, care. > > Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. > > That leaves more seats for the rest of us. > > Justin > > On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan > <adrianne.bren...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie > > all of my life--*loved* the movie! > > > > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > > Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html > > Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html > > Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > > > > > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@... > > > wrote: > > That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own > > words. > > > > "If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie." > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- > > > > Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* > > > > Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000 > > > > From : "sincere1906" <sincere1...@...> > > > > To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... > > > > SPOILERS! > > > > SPOILERS! > > > > SPOILSRS! > > > > > > Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we > > got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must > > be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some > > alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon > > as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through > > the time line? > > > > Jes thinkin aloud... > > > > Sin > > > > > > -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906" wrote: > > > > > > Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am > > just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing > > this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... > > > > > > S P O I L E R S ! ! ! > > > > > > I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. > > There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. > > I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to > > Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. > > > > > > The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group > > like this, is was it good Trek? > > > > > > On this, I'm truly torn. > > > > > > First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you > > know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! > > Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing > > Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been > > severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- > > right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never > > seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers > > of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their > > hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual > > minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, > > not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They > > should call this "Ultimate Star Trek!" There's a sense of loss here > > knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer > > exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future > > figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! > > first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit > > into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. > > > > > > Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure > > out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with > > all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical > > positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I > > don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision > > here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and > > politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more > > than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack > > Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but "what > > the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a > > post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern > > Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek > > world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the > > verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes > > of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert! > > y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism > > and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if > > Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly > > utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this > > Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can > > possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era > > the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't > > see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime > > directive. > > > > > > My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't > > have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of > > principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good > > and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment > > before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... > > > > > > MHO > > > > > > Sin/Black Galactus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds > > > > > > Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | > > Calendar > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=map > > MARKETPLACE > > I Got Fired But now make $350/day online!. > > I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! See how I do > > it: WealthResource.org. > > Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their > > families, for the world and for each other > > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > > format to Traditional > > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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