Hi Guys: To get an answer to this question we need to do a little analysis and answer a few questions me thinks. First, a Website is really just a text document like you type into notepad and it can do nothing unless that text file is read into a computer program that will parse the text and take actions against the operating system on the contents, keywords it finds in the text we call things like html and java script and all those names for the various outline structures. The html and other tags and methods are all just like if you created an outline for a text document in this respect. To get this text document to do something it is read as input into a computer program called a browser like Internet Explorer created by Microsoft. Thus the web pages are just text documents and when you fire up one in Internet Explorer the browser reads this text document and parses the html tags and other structures like methods and then tells the operating system what the text document wants it to do and you get a working web site. The browser handles any keystrokes and processes them using the tags and methods defined in the web page source code - the text document as it were. When you download the source code, like Bruce does I think, you are just downloading a snapshot of the text document that the browser is using so you get just a text document with a simple http download. So, just using the text tocument there is little you can do about impacting the currently running web page in the browser without some way to tell the browser, Internet Explorer for example, what you want it to do. That is you have to tell the browser to move to some item or to click on something or even to click on some list item where it currently is not working due perhaps to the web page not enabling a link other than via java script or something worse. Now, there is software, computer programs built into the Windows Platform and developed by third party software that will allow for interacting with the browser but it has been a long time since I did anything with web sites and even longer since I did any scripting for WindowEyes. The text document is made available as a Document Object Model and there may be a accessibility document object model provided by Microsoft when working in Internet Explorer since this is some type of standard. Using a browser control, for example, in visual studio I can work with the document object to do things like search for objects, click things and even add or remove objects from a web page created by anyone out there on the internet for the most part - that is the html, I am not sure about java script and methods but I think that should be doable as well. If I remember, Microsoft allows scriptors to interact with a web page via the use of UIA document object model objects and methods but I forget almost everything about using the native UIA to interact with a web page while the browser is running. This is the overview as I understand it, at least as I sort of remember it, that we have to understand before considering scripting a web page. Now, Aaron or Chip or others, clean up this overview and add or correct my understanding or even add the correct tool names for working with the native or managed version of the UIA dom from within WindowEyes scripting model or even a external script if you can since this is really a new leg in creating scripts and way diferent from a desktop app script most scriptors are familiar with and wee need to have a common set of terms if we are going to look at scripting web pages, we need objects, tools and names of things so we can communicate. Finally, we need the url to the web page with the list of links in the menu or whatever so we can test it out on our various platforms just in case there is an easy work-around and we don’t have to slog through learning how to script a web page using WindowEyes which is really not setup to make this easy. Rick USA
-----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Scripting Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 4:21 PM To: 'Joseph LaFauci' <joel...@iquest.net>; 'Window-Eyes Scripting List' <scripting@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Learning How To Dig Into A Web Page To Make It Accessible Hi Joe, Are you familiar with HTML? The only example script which I've ever seen, which was written to improve the accessibility of a web page, was written by an author who was familiar with xml/html. It used the .NativeObjectModel property to get to the IE document object model so that it could examine the html elements of a page, once it had determined that the page in question was the one for which further info was being saught. It then worked its way down through frames and tables and TD elements to find the one containing the information being desired, it extracted the information, and spoke it. This was designed to give the user some needed information very quickly for an employment situation. I've not seen an example of any scripting which tried to manipulate the page to change focus, activate controls, etc. If you're familiar enough with the IE DOM perhaps you know if this can be done through it (I would think so), but I don't know enough to be of much help. I have only a slight reading ability with xml and html, and as I understand things, you'd have to be able to accomplish whatever you need via the IE DOM; I don't think the WE scripting object gives you much in the way of page contents or manipulation abilities. Sorry I can't be of more help, but if you're expertese does lie in the xml/html arina, then perhaps you can move forward. Good luck, Chip Chip Orange Florida Public Service Commission Computer Systems Analyst 850-413-6314 -----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph LaFauci via Scripting Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 9:53 PM To: Window-Eyes Scripting Subject: Learning How To Dig Into A Web Page To Make It Accessible Greetings everyone! Can anyone suggest a place to start in learning about the browse objects and other necessary info in order to be able to figure out how to make a stubborn web page more accessible? I have a particular one which has three (sort of) menu drop-downs but they show up as lists and are not clickable in any way. I am not even able to route the mouse pointer to them. Actually, I have succeeded in routing to the items once or twice but it is certainly not consistent. If a sighted person clicks one of the list items for me, the menu expands and the resulting menu items are clickable. My goal is to accurately get the mouse to the desired list item and click it so the menus can be accessed. I am working with the web page designers to make it accessible, but in the interim (how ever long that may be), I thought I’d try to tackle it with scripting. So far that is quite a challenge for me as I haven’t done much with web pages in scripts. One of these days I will have to take a script class for Window-Eyes. Meanwhile, I wish we had a really good scripting book. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks. Joe Joseph LaFauci Web: http://www.joeleah.com Blog: http://www.understandingscripture.com Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/wantedinhellnamedinheaven Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ka9opl Skype: ka9opl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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