Jonathan,
Yes, if you want to drill down through every access method available to
us, you are correct. But I stand by what I said. There are virtually two
different modes of operation for a screen-reader. This is why we call it
browse mode, why it operates so completely different from everything
else on our computers, and why we got a completely rewritten browse mode
in Window-Eyes 9. It is a beast that stands on its own, and a nasty one
at that.
Regards,
Tom
On 3/19/2016 5:23 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
Actually on Windows there are four ways if you are considering WEB/DOM one way.
Windows, Off Screen Model, MSAA and UIA. And when using MSAA or UIA it seems
like one still needs to work with the Windows API too (GetNextWindow,
GetFirstChild …
Whoops, I guess that five methods of making systems accessible on Windows, and
we haven’t thought about direct COM, or JAVA.
Sorry, the “wonderful thing about standard is that there are so many to choose
from” - Paul Ebersman 1991
Jonathan Cohn
On Mar 18, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Scripting
<scripting@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
That's it, Chip. Screen-readers all have essentially two modes of operation:
Windows and standard programs or anything that uses a browser or the IE engine,
e.g. CHM files. So scripting one or the other is like tackling two different
beasts, especially if you need to do anything more than skim the contextual
surface.
Tom
On 3/18/2016 4:20 PM, Chip Orange via Scripting wrote:
Hi Joe,
Are you familiar with HTML?
The only example script which I've ever seen, which was written to improve the
accessibility of a web page, was written by an author who was familiar with
xml/html.
It used the .NativeObjectModel property to get to the IE document object model
so that it could examine the html elements of a page, once it had determined
that the page in question was the one for which further info was being saught.
It then worked its way down through frames and tables and TD elements to find
the one containing the information being desired, it extracted the information,
and spoke it.
This was designed to give the user some needed information very quickly for an
employment situation. I've not seen an example of any scripting which tried to
manipulate the page to change focus, activate controls, etc.
If you're familiar enough with the IE DOM perhaps you know if this can be done
through it (I would think so), but I don't know enough to be of much help. I
have only a slight reading ability with xml and html, and as I understand
things, you'd have to be able to accomplish whatever you need via the IE DOM; I
don't think the WE scripting object gives you much in the way of page contents
or manipulation abilities.
Sorry I can't be of more help, but if you're expertese does lie in the xml/html
arina, then perhaps you can move forward.
Good luck,
Chip
Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314
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Subject: Learning How To Dig Into A Web Page To Make It Accessible
Greetings everyone!
Can anyone suggest a place to start in learning about the browse objects and
other necessary info in order to be able to figure out how to make a stubborn
web page more accessible?
I have a particular one which has three (sort of) menu drop-downs but they show
up as lists and are not clickable in any way. I am not even able to route the
mouse pointer to them. Actually, I have succeeded in routing to the items once
or twice but it is certainly not consistent.
If a sighted person clicks one of the list items for me, the menu expands and
the resulting menu items are clickable.
My goal is to accurately get the mouse to the desired list item and click it so
the menus can be accessed.
I am working with the web page designers to make it accessible, but in the
interim (how ever long that may be), I thought I’d try to tackle it with
scripting. So far that is quite a challenge for me as I haven’t done much with
web pages in scripts.
One of these days I will have to take a script class for Window-Eyes.
Meanwhile, I wish we had a really good scripting book.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
Joe
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