Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa, The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US, as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To: Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto. I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old denatured alcohol instead of stove cooking fuel? Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for sails
I have a 140 Tape Drive Genoa on my 1990 30+ back in the 90s. Replaced a Dacron North 130 that came with the boat. Weighed about half the 130 so less weight aloft. Had virtually no stretch as the wind pick up so we carried here in winds up to 25 true unfurled. A great sail. Still on the boat. Allen Miles CC 30-2 Septima Hampton, VA -- From: Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Looking for sails Fellow CC'rs, I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+. I like what I have read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned this brand and could give feedback? Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this particular model. Stephen Thorne CC 34+ Deja Vu On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. remove head sink on c n c 32? (McElwreath, Daniel) 2. tight reaching (Pete Shelquist) 3. Re: tight reaching (Josh Muckley) 4. Re: tight reaching (Chuck S) 5. Re: tight reaching (cenel...@aol.com) 6. Re: tight reaching (Andrew Burton) 7. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (Richard N. Bush) 8. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (davidrisch75) 9. Re: tight reaching (Dennis C.) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:23:43 + From: McElwreath, Daniel mcelwrea...@wpunj.edu To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32? Message-ID: 74ac7c951a8a93469c6e9f035d118c56223e6...@exchmbx1.unv.campus.wpunj.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the waste hose and ran thru the vanity in head. This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain pump so I had to remove that. My question: Can the head sink be removed to allow access? Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR. I have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a pain. I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the little door, and then reglassing when finished. But I know what that would look like. Thanks for any advice. Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/fd11f65a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:01:51 -0500 From: Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: 002201cfa9bc$779960c0$66cc2240$@shelqu...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of boats (CC39, CC38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am looking for suggestions. We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. Thanks, Pete 1984 CC 37 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/ffcfba52/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:44:34 -0400 From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: CA+zaCRBNo1O5vTdN=fcyljdw-ahpkam9gyu_rjsrbm0-jhm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 How much backstay? How much babystay? How tight was the outhaul and halyards? Speed bubble in the main? How much heel? How much rudder? How much weight on board? Crew hiking out? When was the bottom last cleaned? What type of paint? You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees and/or let the sails breath just a bit. At 10-15 kts you should have been able to reach hull speed...~6-7kts. If not then something was wrong. You might even want to consider a #2 if you were being blown over too much. As you can see there is just no simple answer. Keep racing
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
The local marina here sells boat stove alcohol in the same price range. I don't recall the brand, but will check if anyone is interested. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List To: Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto. I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old denatured alcohol instead of stove cooking fuel? Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to denature ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: August 12, 2014 9:12 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa, The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US, as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From: Stevan Plavsa mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To: Rick mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto. I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old denatured alcohol instead of stove cooking fuel? Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/8000 - Release Date: 08/07/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is “only” 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek From: dwight Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: 'Marek Dziedzic' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to “denature” ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: August 12, 2014 9:12 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa, The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US, as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To: Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto. I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old denatured alcohol instead of stove cooking fuel? Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/8000 - Release Date: 08/07/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
How is methyl hydrate different? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:04:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is “only” 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek From: dwight Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: 'Marek Dziedzic' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to “denature” ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: August 12, 2014 9:12 AM To: Stevan Plavsa ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa , The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US , as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From:Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent:Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To:Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject:Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto . I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean . Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old denatured alcohol instead of stove cooking fuel? Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/8000 - Release Date: 08/07/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
Different chemical. Short chemistry lesson: Methyl hydrate is an old name for methanol, which is a chemical compound (molecule) consisting of one carbon, one oxygen, and four hydrogen atoms. Ethanol, the alcohol we love to drink, has two carbon, one oxygen, and 6 hydrogen atoms in each molecule. In general, a hydrocarbon is a compound made up of just carbon and hydrogen atoms. If you substitute an oxygen atom which is also linked to a hydrogen atom for one of the hydrogen atoms in a hydrocarbon molecule, you then have an alcohol. The -OH is know as a hydroxyl group, and when attached to a hydrocarbon to form an alcohol, is responsible for most of the resultant compound's chemical activity. Most but not all. That is why the various alcohols are similar but different, and particularly different in how toxic they are to humans. Dwight might have something to add, but that is it in a nutshell. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove How is methyl hydrate different? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:04:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is “only” 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek From: dwight Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: 'Marek Dziedzic' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to “denature” ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: August 12, 2014 9:12 AM To: Stevan Plavsa ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa , The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US , as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To: Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto . I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean . Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old denatured alcohol instead of stove cooking fuel? Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
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Any recommendations for refinishing teak and holly cabin sole. Jerry. CC 27 V JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Different chemical. Short chemistry lesson: Methyl hydrate is an old name for methanol, which is a chemical compound (molecule) consisting of one carbon, one oxygen, and four hydrogen atoms. Ethanol, the alcohol we love to drink, has two carbon, one oxygen, and 6 hydrogen atoms in each molecule. In general, a hydrocarbon is a compound made up of just carbon and hydrogen atoms. If you substitute an oxygen atom which is also linked to a hydrogen atom for one of the hydrogen atoms in a hydrocarbon molecule, you then have an alcohol. The -OH is know as a hydroxyl group, and when attached to a hydrocarbon to form an alcohol, is responsible for most of the resultant compound's chemical activity. Most but not all. That is why the various alcohols are similar but different, and particularly different in how toxic they are to humans. Dwight might have something to add, but that is it in a nutshell. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove How is methyl hydrate different? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:04:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is “only” 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek From: dwight Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: 'Marek Dziedzic' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to “denature” ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: August 12, 2014 9:12 AM To: Stevan Plavsa ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa , The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US , as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To: Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto . I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean . Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This my first go-around with alcohol stoves. Seems to work very nicely. Cleaned it up filled it and brewed a big pot of coffee in no time. Is there any reason not to use plain old
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
In a pinch my alcohol stove runs very well on Captain Morgan Private Stock *Rum. You just ant use a mixer. You will need to purge it afterwords for the sugar content is high, ARRGGG!!! * On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Different chemical. Short chemistry lesson: Methyl hydrate is an old name for methanol, which is a chemical compound (molecule) consisting of one carbon, one oxygen, and four hydrogen atoms. Ethanol, the alcohol we love to drink, has two carbon, one oxygen, and 6 hydrogen atoms in each molecule. In general, a hydrocarbon is a compound made up of just carbon and hydrogen atoms. If you substitute an oxygen atom which is also linked to a hydrogen atom for one of the hydrogen atoms in a hydrocarbon molecule, you then have an alcohol. The -OH is know as a hydroxyl group, and when attached to a hydrocarbon to form an alcohol, is responsible for most of the resultant compound's chemical activity. Most but not all. That is why the various alcohols are similar but different, and particularly different in how toxic they are to humans. Dwight might have something to add, but that is it in a nutshell. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - *From:* JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove How is methyl hydrate different? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:04:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is only 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek *From:* dwight dwight...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM *To:* 'Marek Dziedzic' dziedzi...@hotmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to denature ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List *Sent:* August 12, 2014 9:12 AM *To:* Stevan Plavsa ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa , The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) ( http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US , as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek *From:* Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM *To:* Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto . I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Denatured alcohol is all I've ever used in the stove on the 38 or the Origo stove on the 25. About once a year I go to Lowes and buy a gallon can. And one of these days I'll finally get around to installing the new propane stove I bought for the 38 a couple of years ago. I'm told it is easier to find propane than denatured alcohol when you are in the Bahamas or the Caribbean . Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:36, Burt Stratton via CnC-List
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After returning from a family trip to the State where I was born, Washington, and spending time touring the area including a brief stay at Friday Harbor, the family decided that they would like to move there. Yes, we know the winter is dreary, wet, and clammy there. But come what may, we are heading in that direction hopefully in the next year, and the plan includes the acquisition of perhaps a LF 38 or something along those lines once we do. But first things first. Due to this unexpected change of plans and coasts, we will (sadly) need to sell our Mr. Bop (go ahead and rename her if you must). She is a 1986 35iii, centerboard currently in a slip in Edgewater, MD. She is in very good shape and proved to provide us with minimal issues. We purchased the Bop in October of 2012 for 40K. She has a 2002 30GMF that runs great. In the brief time we have owned her we had her hull blasted and a new barrier coat applied. That was the big expensive job. Other improvements include a new water heater, two brand new AGM batteries and smart charger (Oct 2013), a west marine 10' RIB ding with a 5 hp Lehr propane outboard (negotiably included or sold separately). The propane engine has been great, though used lightly. We know we won't get the 40 + 9K back when we sell - but would will consider a reasonable offer. I havent listed her anywhere yet - you folks are the only ones who know. If you would like more info/go for a sail, please contact us directly. Ron Lisa ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Steve, holland marine sells alcohol for stove, near port credit. Melanie Treka 27-3 Sent from my iPad ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Ron and Lisa, First off it is rarely clammy in winter, just cold and wet. In summer we do get a few days of hot and clammy (like yesterday) but mostly the late spring through mid-fall has comfortable PNW cruising weather. Regarding your boat change plans; have you considered trucking your nice 35MKIII to the PNW? It is possible the +-$6K spent on the truck and commissioning costs would be a better value than taking the loss on selling. Your equipment list holds up well for PNW 3 season cruising. Once you use the boat in the PNW waters your vision of what features will be important on the next boat will become more focused. There is an active CC community here so if you have any questions regarding moorage locations from Portland OR (to the south) to Vancouver Island (to the north) I bet there is a lister with local knowledge. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops After returning from a family trip to the State where I was born, Washington, and spending time touring the area including a brief stay at Friday Harbor, the family decided that they would like to move there. Yes, we know the winter is dreary, wet, and clammy there. But come what may, we are heading in that direction hopefully in the next year, and the plan includes the acquisition of perhaps a LF 38 or something along those lines once we do. But first things first. Due to this unexpected change of plans and coasts, we will (sadly) need to sell our Mr. Bop (go ahead and rename her if you must). She is a 1986 35iii, centerboard currently in a slip in Edgewater, MD. She is in very good shape and proved to provide us with minimal issues. We purchased the Bop in October of 2012 for 40K. She has a 2002 30GMF that runs great. In the brief time we have owned her we had her hull blasted and a new barrier coat applied. That was the big expensive job. Other improvements include a new water heater, two brand new AGM batteries and smart charger (Oct 2013), a west marine 10' RIB ding with a 5 hp Lehr propane outboard (negotiably included or sold separately). The propane engine has been great, though used lightly. We know we won't get the 40 + 9K back when we sell - but would will consider a reasonable offer. I havent listed her anywhere yet - you folks are the only ones who know. If you would like more info/go for a sail, please contact us directly. Ron Lisa ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Alcohols are one of the larger families of chemicals. The two simplest alcohols are methanol, C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarbonH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen3O http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OxygenH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen and ethanol, C 2H 5OH. Methanol is also known as methyl alcohol, methyl hydrate, hydroxymethane, methyl hydroxide, methylic alcohol, methylol, wood alcohol, wood naptha or wood spirits. Ethanol is also known as ethyl alcohol. Ethanol is the alcohol in liquor. Methanol is the most common denaturing agent for ethanol. The only other alcohol of any significant use in the marine industry is polyvinyl alcohol or PVA which is used as a mold release agent in fiberglass molding. Yeah, I know, more than any of you wanted to know. Had to find something to justify that expensive education years ago. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:34 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: How is methyl hydrate different? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Don't most sailors? I consider a swing keel to be an East Coast necessity. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? As we know, that blade is heavy and takes some effort to manage. It's worth it to be able to traverse so much of the Chesapeake that would be too shallow otherwise. (And to keep the boat in 5' of water). In the PNW I would think we'd just leave it down permanently and it would eventually get stuck like that if we didn't make a point of raising and lowering. Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? But you do have a good point and perhaps we will ultimately do exactly that. We will see what kind of offers we get. However I'm hoping the difference between 6 and (6+x) might be workable (depending on the value of x) if we can end up with a boat that is better suited for that area. Additionally in the equation: Admiral Bop is keen on moving up three feet (or more), and we have friends there who expressed interest in co-owning a sailboat when we get there - which might make that three feet more important as well as affordable. And because we will be downsizing the house, upsizing the Bop has a certain balance aspect in the larger sense -which almost makes sense. Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up in or around Edmonds. Ron On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: Ron and Lisa, First off it is rarely clammy in winter, just cold and wet. In summer we do get a few days of hot and clammy (like yesterday) but mostly the late spring through mid-fall has comfortable PNW cruising weather. Regarding your boat change plans; have you considered trucking your nice 35MKIII to the PNW? It is possible the +-$6K spent on the truck and commissioning costs would be a better value than taking the loss on selling. Your equipment list holds up well for PNW 3 season cruising. Once you use the boat in the PNW waters your vision of what features will be important on the next boat will become more focused. There is an active CC community here so if you have any questions regarding moorage locations from Portland OR (to the south) to Vancouver Island (to the north) I bet there is a lister with local knowledge. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle image001.png From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops After returning from a family trip to the State where I was born, Washington, and spending time touring the area including a brief stay at Friday Harbor, the family decided that they would like to move there. Yes, we know the winter is dreary, wet, and clammy there. But come what may, we are heading in that direction hopefully in the next year, and the plan includes the acquisition of perhaps a LF 38 or something along those lines once we do. But first things first. Due to this unexpected change of plans and coasts, we will (sadly) need to sell our Mr. Bop (go ahead and rename her if you must). She is a 1986 35iii, centerboard currently in a slip in Edgewater, MD. She is in very good shape and proved to provide us with minimal issues. We purchased the Bop in October of 2012 for 40K. She has a 2002 30GMF that runs great. In the brief time we have owned her we had her hull blasted and a new barrier coat applied. That was the big expensive job. Other improvements include a new water heater, two brand new AGM batteries and smart charger (Oct 2013), a west marine 10' RIB ding with a 5 hp Lehr propane outboard (negotiably included or sold separately). The propane engine has been great, though used lightly. We know we won't get the 40 + 9K back when we sell - but would will consider a reasonable offer. I havent listed her anywhere yet - you folks are the only ones who know. If you would like more info/go for a sail, please contact us directly. Ron Lisa ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The Universal M4-30 in my boat tends to stall frequently when shifting. This primarily happens when moving forward and shifting into reverse, which is of course not good for stress levels when one has to pull into a slip and you can’t count on slowing down. Maybe I could increase the RPM somewhat before shifting, but that seems bad for the transmission so I haven’t done it. Any ideas what this might indicate? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Dave, How low is the idle speed? Joel On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The Universal M4-30 in my boat tends to stall frequently when shifting. This primarily happens when moving forward and shifting into reverse, which is of course not good for stress levels when one has to pull into a slip and you can’t count on slowing down. Maybe I could increase the RPM somewhat before shifting, but that seems bad for the transmission so I haven’t done it. Any ideas what this might indicate? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I had the same problem and did two things. 1. I made sure the fuel system was well bled A small amount of air trapped in the high pressure lines can create a lot of trouble with idle and stalling. 2. The second thing I did was add Howe's diesel fuel treatment to the fuel every time I fill up. The explanation I got was the fuel that was available when the M-430 was build had a high sulfur content which acted as a lubricant for the fuel injection system. The new (low sulfur) fuels don't provide the needed lubrication causing the governor to stick resulting in stalling. I'm not sure which (or both) fixed the problem, but I don't have the problem anymore. I hope this helps... Gary S/V Expresso '75 CC 35 Mk II East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dave, How low is the idle speed? Joel On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The Universal M4-30 in my boat tends to stall frequently when shifting. This primarily happens when moving forward and shifting into reverse, which is of course not good for stress levels when one has to pull into a slip and you can’t count on slowing down. Maybe I could increase the RPM somewhat before shifting, but that seems bad for the transmission so I haven’t done it. Any ideas what this might indicate? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
Curtis, My Atomic 4 runs pretty good on Captain Morgan's too, but at that point the hell with the substitute use and just use the Captain Morgan's as the big guy intended and worry about the stove later!! James 1976 CC 38 Delaney Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List To: Steve Thomas ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove In a pinch my alcohol stove runs very well on Captain Morgan Private Stock Rum. You just ant use a mixer. You will need to purge it afterwords for the sugar content is high, ARRGGG!!! On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Different chemical. Short chemistry lesson: Methyl hydrate is an old name for methanol, which is a chemical compound (molecule) consisting of one carbon, one oxygen, and four hydrogen atoms. Ethanol, the alcohol we love to drink, has two carbon, one oxygen, and 6 hydrogen atoms in each molecule. In general, a hydrocarbon is a compound made up of just carbon and hydrogen atoms. If you substitute an oxygen atom which is also linked to a hydrogen atom for one of the hydrogen atoms in a hydrocarbon molecule, you then have an alcohol. The -OH is know as a hydroxyl group, and when attached to a hydrocarbon to form an alcohol, is responsible for most of the resultant compound's chemical activity. Most but not all. That is why the various alcohols are similar but different, and particularly different in how toxic they are to humans. Dwight might have something to add, but that is it in a nutshell. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove How is methyl hydrate different? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:04:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is only 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek From: dwight Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: 'Marek Dziedzic' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to denature ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: August 12, 2014 9:12 AM To: Stevan Plavsa ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Steve, try other marine stores. In Ottawa , The Chandlery, sells Capt. Phab 4l for $21.50 (or $20 US) (http://www.thechandleryonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=3331). I think they would ship it, unless there is some funny restriction. They ship to the US , as well. Marine Outfitters out of Kingston carry it, too. Btw. this is what I use in my stove and it burns extremely clean. Marek From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:36 PM To: Rick Brass ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove I found it hard to source denatured alcohol here in Toronto . I found it at this place finally: http://www.sculpturesupply.com/index.php I paid something less than $25 for a 4 litre jug. Much better deal than the stuff they sell at west marine. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM,
Stus-List Shannon 38
I've been an 8-9 year consumer of Stu's List wisdom - mostly contributing questions and an occasional opinion. I'm curious what people think of the Shannon 38, referenced below, as a retirement boat for bumping up and down the US East Coast. I realize it's not a CC but the opinions of many on the list are held in high regard. The dismasting and repair are of special interest. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1978/Shannon-staysail-Cutter-2644578/Shelter-Island/NY/United-States#.U-qVSONdWSo Cheers, Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove
OK - stop the sketch, it's getting silly! sam :-) From: jtsails via CnC-ListSent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:56 PMTo: Curtis; cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: jtsailsSubject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove Curtis, My Atomic 4 runs pretty good on Captain Morgan's too, but at that point the hell with the substitute use and just use the Captain Morgan's as the big guy intended and worry about the stove later!! James 1976 CC 38 Delaney Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List To: Steve Thomas ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove In a pinch my alcohol stove runs very well onCaptain MorganPrivate StockRum. You just ant use a mixer. You will need to purge it afterwords for the sugarcontent is high, ARRGGG!!! On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Different chemical. Short chemistry lesson: Methyl hydrate is an oldname for methanol, which is a chemical compound (molecule) consisting of one carbon, one oxygen, and four hydrogen atoms. Ethanol, the alcoholwe love to drink,hastwo carbon, one oxygen, and 6 hydrogen atoms in each molecule.In general,a hydrocarbonis a compound made up of just carbon and hydrogen atoms. If yousubstitute an oxygen atom which is also linked to a hydrogen atomfor one of the hydrogen atoms ina hydrocarbon molecule, you then have an alcohol. The-OHis know asahydroxyl group, and when attached to a hydrocarbon to form an alcohol, is responsible for most of the resultant compound's chemical activity. Most but not all. That is why the various alcohols are similar but different, and particularly different in how toxic they are to humans. Dwight might have something to add, but that is it in a nutshell. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Alcohol stove How is methyl hydrate different? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:04:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My experience is that 95.6% is the most what you can obtain commercially (or from any kind of distillation). You can get further only with molecular sieves or by removing the remaining water using benzene or some other substances. The best (for drinking, if you are so inclined) is this one: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/sakemitsui/item/vod-0007/ (btw. the web page says incorrectly 96 degrees, it is 96%). In Canada, you can get it in Quebec as Global Alcool, but it is only 94%. However, I would not use it in a stove, as it would not be overly cost effective. It has great applications for mixing drinks, though. Marek From: dwight Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:06 AM To: 'Marek Dziedzic' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Alcohol stove Here is an article on ethanol versus methanol as a fuel. This article concludes that ethanol is the more efficient fuel. http://vincent02pd2011.wikispaces.com/Methanol+Vs+Ethanol+Fuel+Lab and this article says that ethanol produces a higher flame temperature. http://classroom.synonym.com/burns-hotter-ethanol-methanol-7848.html Ethanol is hygroscopic and will absorb up to 5% moisture from the atmosphere. It is difficult to obtain and store 100% pure ethanol. Many chemicals can be used to denature ethanol, like methanol, acetone, benzene, isobutyl ketone and most of these chemicals will make the denatured ethanol poisonous , bad tasting, bad smelling or nauseating in order to discourage human consumption Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? I'm not in touch with how many centerboard boats there are in the PNW or how it would affect resale value. Hopefully Lee Youngblood (s/v Simplicity, 1974 CC 35-II, cnc-lister) will add his perspective as he is a PNW broker with CC experience. Lee lives aboard his 35 and has sailed/raced on Calypso with us a few times. There was a detailed discussion about centerboards here a few weeks back. Based on what I read about CC centerboard performance I don't believe you would have any significant performance loss in common PNW cruising conditions. If you plan to go far offshore (Mexico, So Pacific) or seriously race, a deeper keel may show an advantage Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? Yes. For example; Roche Harbor and surrounding bays (San Juan Island), many areas and both marinas around Port Townsend have shallow spots, much of Puget Sound south of Gig Harbor, Liberty Bay (Poulsbo), the Swinomish Slough (between LaConner and Anacortes). With 12'+ tides many smaller marinas have slips that would favor a centerboard over Calypso's 76 draft. As you go north to the awesome cruising ground of BC there are places where only a shallow draft boat can enter. One bay in Desolation Sound has a shallow entrance and must be entered at high tide. The shallow entrance keeps the sun warmed water in creating a anchorage warm enough to swim. I would not take Calypso in but I did get a CC 36 in there by leading in with a dinghy and lead line. Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up in or around Edmonds. I don't follow the moorage costs outside of Shilshole Bay Marina (kept a boat there since 84) but here is my SWAG: salt water close to Seattle $400 to $500/mo, Edmonds/Everett a little less (check for the wait list in Edmonds), Anacortes +-$350/mo. A note on Edmonds. It is a great location for sailing and a nice little community, but it is in the weather convergence zone. Closer to Seattle or north of Marysville will average less rainy days per year. For moorage also check out Anacortes for how close it is to the San Juan Islands. Please let me know if you have any difficulty in digging up PNW sailing info. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: Ron Kaye [mailto:ronkaye...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:34 PM To: Martin DeYoung Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Don't most sailors? I consider a swing keel to be an East Coast necessity. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? As we know, that blade is heavy and takes some effort to manage. It's worth it to be able to traverse so much of the Chesapeake that would be too shallow otherwise. (And to keep the boat in 5' of water). In the PNW I would think we'd just leave it down permanently and it would eventually get stuck like that if we didn't make a point of raising and lowering. Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? But you do have a good point and perhaps we will ultimately do exactly that. We will see what kind of offers we get. However I'm hoping the difference between 6 and (6+x) might be workable (depending on the value of x) if we can end up with a boat that is better suited for that area. Additionally in the equation: Admiral Bop is keen on moving up three feet (or more), and we have friends there who expressed interest in co-owning a sailboat when we get there - which might make that three feet more important as well as affordable. And because we will be downsizing the house, upsizing the Bop has a certain balance aspect in the larger sense -which almost makes sense. Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up in or around Edmonds. Ron On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.commailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com wrote: Ron and Lisa, First off it is rarely clammy in winter, just cold and wet. In summer we do get a few days of hot and clammy (like yesterday) but mostly the late spring through mid-fall has comfortable PNW cruising weather. Regarding your boat change plans; have you considered trucking your nice 35MKIII to the PNW? It is possible the +-$6K spent on the truck and commissioning costs would be a better value than taking the loss on selling. Your equipment list holds up well for PNW 3 season cruising. Once you use the boat in the PNW waters your vision of what features will be important on the next boat will become more focused. There is an active CC community here so if you have any questions regarding moorage locations from Portland OR (to the south) to Vancouver Island (to the north) I bet there is a lister with local knowledge. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle image001.png From:
Re: Stus-List Shannon 38
Bob, I looked at lots of different boats before buying my current boat; I would urge you to compare the Shannon to a 1981-1985 vintage CC 37, the specs are very similar; the blue water capability is there (see, Steve Sharkey's excellent You tube video of the 2012 Annapolis to Bermuda Race;(he finished first in class in this years race, but the video isn't out yet); also, check out the blog for Persuasion, Mike Taylor and spouse are traveling from Quebec down the Atlantic coast; both are excellent examples of the type of voyaging possible with the 37; Another excellent blog is Sailing Saralane; they adapted a 1970s vintage CC 40 and are traveling the Caribbean and points south; the aesthetics, of course, will be different, (you will be going faster); there are several available with the same level of electronics and other refinements on Yachtworld; Also, there are several really fascinating boat sites on the CC Photo Album, one of my favorites is the Enterprise, (a 37+) check it out! My 2$ worth...oh, by the way, I bought a 1985 37. Richard 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: bobmor99 . via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Aug 12, 2014 8:23 pm Subject: Stus-List Shannon 38 I've been an 8-9 year consumer of Stu's List wisdom - mostly contributing questions and an occasional opinion. I'm curious what people think of the Shannon 38, referenced below, as a retirement boat for bumping up and down the US East Coast. I realize it's not a CC but the opinions of many on the list are held in high regard. The dismasting and repair are of special interest. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1978/Shannon-staysail-Cutter-2644578/Shelter-Island/NY/United-States#.U-qVSONdWSo Cheers, Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
