Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[William Kenworthy]

Even better might be to nfs mount all the important stuff - a PXE boot
would be nice, but I havent the foggiest how to do this with uboot and
wireless ...

All the build directories, portage and maybe even the compiler and libs
could be "elsewhere".

BillK



On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 03:58 +0200, Previdi Roberto wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Al Johnson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in
> particular this page:
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5
> 
> 
> glad to hear, i will take a look tomorrow.. (too late here now)
> 
>  
> You can do,  but the bottleneck will then be linking which
> will happen
> entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory
> intensive, a problem
> on a memory-constrained device like this.
>  
> well, the linking phase seems to be a real problem.. surely you cannot
> build things such as firefox/apache/php/qt or other big packages..
> (not speaking about openoffice) probably the best thing to do should
> be to crosscompile everything on desktop and then prepare some
> "syncing" scripts, to have two identical environments.. The sync
> should be in both directions, so portage could know about file
> conflicts, externally installed packages, configuration files and such
> things.. it can also be a good occasion to make a backup :)
> 
> roby
> 
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Shawn Thompson]

Tomas,
I'm pretty sure I would have caught it if I had just compared MD5's 
lol. Going to re-download when I get home where there is more bandwidth 
and then try again. Also added GPRS to my T-Mobile account tonight so 
we'll see if I can get that working too :).

-Shawn

Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> I used to have kernel panics too, and it was due to an incomplete 
> download on my side.
> finished the download with wget -c and flashed again and everything was 
> working great.
> hope its something like that and you solve your issue
>
> Shawn Thompson escribió:
>   
>> David,
>> This looks like a great image idea for having a prepackaged 
>> all-in-one. The only problem I found is that for some reason I kept 
>> getting kernel panics so I'm back off to stock OM2008.8 for now but will 
>> try downloading and flashing again tonight.
>>
>> -Shawn
>>
>> David Samblas wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a 
>>> rootfs/kenel  image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates 
>>> distribution with some apps already installed and some fixes posted in 
>>> the lists done.
>>>
>>> here you have more detailed information
>>>
>>> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>>>
>>> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the 
>>> server seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror 
>>> is on the way
>>>
>>> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>>>
>>> Regards and a hug
>>>
>>> David Samblas
>>> 
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

I used to have kernel panics too, and it was due to an incomplete 
download on my side.
finished the download with wget -c and flashed again and everything was 
working great.
hope its something like that and you solve your issue

Shawn Thompson escribió:
> David,
> This looks like a great image idea for having a prepackaged 
> all-in-one. The only problem I found is that for some reason I kept 
> getting kernel panics so I'm back off to stock OM2008.8 for now but will 
> try downloading and flashing again tonight.
>
> -Shawn
>
> David Samblas wrote:
>   
>> Hi there,
>> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a 
>> rootfs/kenel  image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates 
>> distribution with some apps already installed and some fixes posted in 
>> the lists done.
>>
>> here you have more detailed information
>>
>> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>>
>> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the 
>> server seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror 
>> is on the way
>>
>> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>>
>> Regards and a hug
>>
>> David Samblas
>> 
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Shawn Thompson]

David,
This looks like a great image idea for having a prepackaged 
all-in-one. The only problem I found is that for some reason I kept 
getting kernel panics so I'm back off to stock OM2008.8 for now but will 
try downloading and flashing again tonight.

-Shawn

David Samblas wrote:
> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a 
> rootfs/kenel  image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates 
> distribution with some apps already installed and some fixes posted in 
> the lists done.
>
> here you have more detailed information
>
> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>
> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the 
> server seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror 
> is on the way
>
> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>
> Regards and a hug
>
> David Samblas
> 
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Re: USB host successes (good to have)

[Michael Shiloh]

Michele Renda wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello
> 
> I want to share something that I found in a shop:
> 
> http://www.conectica.ro/display/1-63-19-Adaptoare/Adaptor_USB_A___USB_A___.html
> 
> With it I could use the shipped cable (Usb to Micro Usb) to attach a
> pendrive to my FR and to get my FR running.
> 
> It cost around 1.50 euro, and it seem to be cheap to me. The good think
> is that it permit to use the provided cable and to don't risk to brak
> the micro usb part inside the FR.
> 
> What do you think about it?


Would be nice if they actually showed the connector from the business 
end, so we can see what it's like.

I presume it's what we call a USB Type A Female to Female Gender 
Changer, like this one:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#Ready-made_type_A_jack_to_a_type_A_jack_adapter_.28gender_changer.29

Yes, that should allow you to connect a random USB device that is 
typically attached to a computer, to the end of the USB cable that came 
with your FreeRunner.

With this adapter your USB pendrive would be powered by the FreeRunner, 
which is what you want.

Michael


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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Previdi Roberto]

generally speaking, i think that what this project is based upon is freedom
of choice at the higest possible level, so having a possibility to try each
different linux flavour (and maybe other oss) just go in that direction. I
admit too that a sort of mainstream line is needed to push the development
faster to reach a stable and usable smartphone, but keeping many diifferent
active distros can give a wider testing environment for the applications,
which will probably often be the same.. better tests = faster stabilization.

roby

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:58 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I think he answered your question Rui - there is no reason gentoo will
> kill the flash any sooner than debian - unless its having up to date
> software :)
>
> There are a lot of misconceptions about gentoo, please research it
> before making rash statements (like I did about up to date software :)
>
> I find that opkg is so PRIMATIVE and restrictive compared to portage
> thats its really frustrating.  And from the outside looking in, debian
> isnt a whole lot better .
>
> BillK
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:51 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner
> > > > than everyone else :)
> > >
> > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on
> > > embedded systems?
> >
> > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me
> is
> > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
> > distribution ;)
> >
> > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;)
> >
> > Rui
> >
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Re: USB host successes

[Michael Shiloh]

Maciej Delmanowski wrote:
> On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote:
>> probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
>> power a hub and two adapters)
> 
> I've thought about different idea - can FreeRunner be powered from USB power
> adaper connected to the USB hub? Like this:
> 
> 
>   Power plug
>   |
>   |
>USB Hub---Ethernet, thumb drive, other devices
>   |
>   |
>  FreeRunner
> 


You are talking about a powered USB hub. Yes, they exist, but generally 
they only power the _device_ USB ports, i.e. only downstream devices. A 
hub like this must not pump power into the upstream host, because the 
host is normally providing power itself.

The fact that the Neo can be powered by USB when in host mode is 
non-standard, and thus it's unlikely that you'll find an off-the-shelf 
cable or hub that will do this. You will most likely have to wire 
something up yourself.

See 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host#Providing_power_to_run_and_charge_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
for more details

Michael

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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[William Kenworthy]

If that is so, then 2008.8 and debian will kill its just as fast.

Read the docs - ITS NOT COMPILED ON THE FR

BillK


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> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>  I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory  
>  sooner
>  than everyone else :)
> >>>
> >>> Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using  
> >>> Gentoo on
> >>> embedded systems?
> >>
> >> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back  
> >> at me is
> >> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
> >> distribution ;)
> >>
> >> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices  
> >> sooner ;)
> > Why would it kill the flash?
> 
> With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything?
> 
> I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing  
> anything heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day.
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Previdi Roberto]

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Al Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this page:
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5
>

glad to hear, i will take a look tomorrow.. (too late here now)


> You can do,  but the bottleneck will then be linking which will happen
> entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory intensive, a
> problem
> on a memory-constrained device like this.


well, the linking phase seems to be a real problem.. surely you cannot build
things such as firefox/apache/php/qt or other big packages.. (not speaking
about openoffice) probably the best thing to do should be to crosscompile
everything on desktop and then prepare some "syncing" scripts, to have two
identical environments.. The sync should be in both directions, so portage
could know about file conflicts, externally installed packages,
configuration files and such things.. it can also be a good occasion to make
a backup :)

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Re: Thanks to everybody at OpenMoko and all the contributers

[Previdi Roberto]

i must add my thanks too, the number of updates in 2 weeks since i have
received the FR is enormous, very good job.. i'm just waiting to accumulate
enough knowledge to contribute something to this project..

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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[William Kenworthy]

I think he answered your question Rui - there is no reason gentoo will
kill the flash any sooner than debian - unless its having up to date
software :)

There are a lot of misconceptions about gentoo, please research it
before making rash statements (like I did about up to date software :)

I find that opkg is so PRIMATIVE and restrictive compared to portage
thats its really frustrating.  And from the outside looking in, debian
isnt a whole lot better .

BillK



On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:51 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner
> > > than everyone else :)
> > 
> > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on 
> > embedded systems? 
> 
> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is
> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
> distribution ;)
> 
> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;)
> 
> Rui
> 
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Re: resume from suspend shows white screen

[Glen Ogilvie]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 23:57:44 +0200, Mohamed Hazem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 11:11:46 pm Glen Ogilvie wrote:
>> I am running 2008.8 on my freerunner, except I've run into a problem.
>> When the phone resumes from suspend, it sometimes shows a white screen
>> with nothing on it, instead of resuming. It seems to happen after it has
> been suspended for a few minutes or more.
>
> known issue http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841

Thanks for letting me know. I'll watch the ticket for updates.

Hoping this can be resolved, as it sounds form the bug it affects everyone,
and
also seems to affect the Qtopia release.

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Charles Pax]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:13 PM, David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> > When I hit the power button the screen faded out (suspend?), but I
> > can't get it to come back on. I was running TangoGPS at the time.
> > Anyone have a hint?
> seems to be a kernel bug waiting to be fixed
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1884
> Remember that FSOM is basically an 2008.08-update
> Regards
>

Thanks. I'm glad to see it's in the works.

This is such a killer image. My brother and I just got my Freerunner on
Friday and after testing a bunch of images over the weekend we were a little
disappointed that we couldn't test all the cool features. I'm just
absolutely thrilled this image exists. Many thanks to everyone out there who
contributed to this software.

-Charles
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Re: OPKG building and repository

[Rod Whitby]

Jean-Eric Cuendet wrote:
> First packages are built!
> The Feed is here:
> http://alf.pticoli.net/openmoko/

Do you have the source code and build instructions available alongside these
packages, or are you expecting people to blindly trust that these binaries
are not infected with malware?  What are the quality processes that you
employ to make sure that nothing untoward gets into your feed?

Also, if you are going to have GPL programs in this feed, where are the
sources going to be published?

Note that adding packages to OE, and then just adding the package name to
task-openmoko-feed.bb, will enable those packages to be available from a
number of official and unofficial feeds, and also automatically comply with
GPL licenses.

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[David Samblas]

El mar, 09-09-2008 a las 19:53 -0400, Charles Pax escribió:
> When I hit the power button the screen faded out (suspend?), but I
> can't get it to come back on. I was running TangoGPS at the time.
> Anyone have a hint?
seems to be a kernel bug waiting to be fixed
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1884
Remember that FSOM is basically an 2008.08-update 
Regards
> 
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Re: Thanks to everybody at OpenMoko and all the contributers

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Juergen Schinker wrote:
> I want to thank everyone from Openmoko and all other devs who contribute 
> to this outstanding project
> 
> the combination of Open Source and Open Hardware is just brilliant.
> 
> 
> My Thanks go to Sean Moss-Pultz
>   Harald Welte
>   Michael Lauer
>   Holger Freyther
>   Joseph Reeves
>   Thomas Wood
>   Andy Allen for Gravitystorm.co.uk
>   Marcus Bauer for tangoGPS
>   Andy "ScaredyCat" Powell
>   Chris Ball
>   Guillaume Chereau
>   Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz
>   Paul V. Borza
>   Valério Valério
> 
>   and all the other i probably forgot
> 
> I enjoy my Freerunner everyday and can't wait for all the great appl. to 
> come (even when i don't use it as a phone yet)

I just quote this for thanking all the Openmoko people too!

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Charles Pax]

When I hit the power button the screen faded out (suspend?), but I can't get
it to come back on. I was running TangoGPS at the time. Anyone have a hint?

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[David Samblas]

El mar, 09-09-2008 a las 23:30 +, JW escribió:
> Jean-Eric Cuendet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > In the README, I see:-tangogps ->configured to use google mapsDoes that 
> > means
> WIFI is needed for TangoGPS to work?Or is there a way to download Google 
> Maps? 
> 
> tangoGPS allows you to download tiles of maps (at various scales) and store on
> SD card when in range of Wifi for later use when out and about (works with OSM
> or googlemaps)
> 
well on sd card or whatever you have configured in the config tab on the
Map Repositories in the Cache Dir field, each source has his own
independant dir in FSDOM are all preconfigured to be stored n their own
dir inside /home/root/Maps, you can easyly create an ln to an sd dir or
mount a sd parttion in that directory, or change the config of course ;)
> tangoGPS also allows GPRS or WIFI instant download of maps when needed
> 
> [disclaimer - this knowledge all second hand]
> 
To download maps, tap on the map n the popup menu select map download,
and then select the deepth of maps you want to download
> JW
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Re: Where to get recent kernel and modules for debian now?

[Fox Mulder]

I tested it and suspend doesn't work anymore with the new kernel. Maybe
i have to insmod some module for this to work.
When i look at the zhone.log file i can see that the press of the pwr
button is recognized, but nothing more happens. :/

Ciao,
 Rainer

arne anka wrote:
>> And now i got the kernel from today running and it seems to work.
> 
> does suspending by holding pwr for about 4 secs still work?
> i tried a kernel+module-tarball about two weeks ago and at least  
> suspending that way stopped to work -- so i switched back to the  
> installation kernel+modules.
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[JW]

Jean-Eric Cuendet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In the README, I see:-tangogps ->configured to use google mapsDoes that means
WIFI is needed for TangoGPS to work?Or is there a way to download Google Maps? 

tangoGPS allows you to download tiles of maps (at various scales) and store on
SD card when in range of Wifi for later use when out and about (works with OSM
or googlemaps)

tangoGPS also allows GPRS or WIFI instant download of maps when needed

[disclaimer - this knowledge all second hand]

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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Andreas Zuber wrote:
> Am Dienstag 09 September 2008 18:45:09 schrieb Previdi Roberto:
> > Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great
> > configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's
> > better if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the
> > generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible..

No loss of USE - see the Gentoo Embedded Handbook, in particular this page:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1&chap=5

> It may also be an option to configure DistCC for crosscompilation on your
> desktop. If you remove localhost from the list, everything will get
> compiled on your desktop and not on the freerunner. The difference is that
> you dont have to copy files and you can still use the USE flags. Hopefully
> :-)
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml

You can do,  but the bottleneck will then be linking which will happen 
entirely on the phone. This can also be somewhat memory intensive, a problem 
on a memory-constrained device like this.


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Re: USB host successes

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:35:44 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > I've tried to answer many of these questions here:
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host
> >
> > If you feel this information is unclear, lacking, or wrong, please
> > correct or please let me know.
> >
> > In particular, I'd love people to add any specific setups they have that
> > are working.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Thank you - exactly the information needed.  The 47kohm resistor (between
> ID and GND) is needed to signal 1000mA charging permitted (that's what I
> was thinking of when I wrote about the 15k pair in my previous post), per
> both http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host and
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables, but unless I'm
> misreading they seem to contradict one another regarding the 15k pulldowns
> on D+ and D-.  What is the correct info regarding those?

Looks entirely consistent to me. With power management host mode disabled the 
FR can accept charge, but the 15k pulldowns in the FR that would normally be 
connected to D+ and D- in host mode are also disconnected. For host mode to 
operate correctly we have to add these to the Y-cable.

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Re: OPKG building and repository

[Jean-Eric Cuendet]

First packages are built!
The Feed is here:
http://alf.pticoli.net/openmoko/

If you would like to build packages, I can give you SSH access to an account
to build it.
Toolchain is installed and ready.
-jec

2008/9/9 Jean-Eric Cuendet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi,
> I have a dedicated server (P4 3.2 GHz) connected directly to Internet.
> This is a proposition for those that would like a system to automatically
> build IPKG for Openmoko.
> I can give them access to it (or put their scripts) to auto build packages
> for Openmoko.
>
> I need help:
> 1) To create scripts that buld packages (First candidates: duke,
> numptyphysics, inotify-utils, maps for Navit or others, ...)
> 2) To create a repository for thise packages (or use Multiverse?)
>
> Thanks to voice if you are interested.
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>
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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

[Lorn Potter]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 23:09, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Ok thanks, this way I could get the error message :
>>
>> "qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot
>> open shared object file: No such file or directory"
>>
> 
> So I just did an opkg install libstdc++6 and qpe could finally start:-)

yes, g++ now has the silly notion that it needs to link libstdc++ to everything 
it compiles, even if 
it does not need it like Qt and Qtopia.
There is a configure argument to turn off this silliness (when configuring 
g++), but I forget what 
it is. Some toolchains g++ automatically link in libstdc++ for 'you' and some 
do not. Any toolchain 
from OE will exhibit this behavior (since it is g++ default mode).





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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

[t m]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jean-Eric Cuendet
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> >
>> > This appends also for me... same thing
>> >
>>
>> fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4
>>
>
> Fine to hear!
> But when is 4.4?
>

An updated 4.3.3 would be nice as well, the current snapshot is a bit buggy.
Incoming volume, lot worse batterylife and also had a disappearing pin
screen.
4.3.2 wasn't bad, the only major issue it had was missing some sms messages.
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Previdi Roberto]

I was thinking to the same thing, but why don't let the neo's cpu
collaborate? maybe with lower priority... i was thinking to mount the
/usr/portage and /var/portage (where all the compiling take place) as
network disk with nfs or something, and setting up distcc to compile first
on the desktop and with less priority on the neo... could work, and you
could have a complete system just by mounting a couple of netdisks..

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Andreas Zuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am Dienstag 09 September 2008 18:45:09 schrieb Previdi Roberto:
> > Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great
> > configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's
> better
> > if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the
> > generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible..
>
> It may also be an option to configure DistCC for crosscompilation on your
> desktop. If you remove localhost from the list, everything will get
> compiled
> on your desktop and not on the freerunner. The difference is that you dont
> have to copy files and you can still use the USE flags. Hopefully :-)
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml
>
> I hope i get gentoo running on my Freerunner, so i can test this soon
>
> greetings
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Re: resume from suspend shows white screen

[Mohamed Hazem]

On Tuesday 09 September 2008 11:11:46 pm Glen Ogilvie wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running 2008.8 on my freerunner, except I've run into a problem.  When
> the phone resumes from suspend, it sometimes shows a white screen with
> nothing on it, instead of resuming.  It seems to happen after it has been
> suspended for a few minutes or more.
>
> The phone is actually resumed as far as I can tell, because it can be shut
> off by holding the power button for 8 seconds, and it also suspends itself
> again from the white screen, so seems like a window manager crash, or video
> settings not restored type of issue.
>
> Any ideas? I have not tried the Qtopia release yet, so can't comment if
> that works ok.
>
> Regards
> Glen Ogilvie
>
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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 23:09, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok thanks, this way I could get the error message :
>
> "qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory"
>

So I just did an opkg install libstdc++6 and qpe could finally start:-)

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Re: resume from suspend shows white screen

[Glen Ogilvie]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:29:17 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:11:46AM +1200, Glen Ogilvie wrote:
>> I am running 2008.8 on my freerunner, except I've run into a problem. 
> When
>> the phone resumes from suspend, it sometimes shows a white screen with
>> nothing on it, instead of resuming.  It seems to happen after it has
> been
>> suspended for a few minutes or more.
>> 
>> The phone is actually resumed as far as I can tell, because it can be
> shut
>> off by holding the power button for 8 seconds, and it also suspends
> itself
>> again from the white screen, so seems like a window manager crash, or
> video
>> settings not restored type of issue.
>> 
>> Any ideas? I have not tried the Qtopia release yet, so can't comment
> if
>> that works ok.
> 
> Have you tried a recent release? Like
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ from yesterday?
> 
> I'm just asking, to me a slightly earlier release *also* doesn't
> suspend, just if you get to try it before I do... please do tell :)

I am running the 20080904 version, with updates from opkg upgrade.

One question, I didn't upgrade my u-boot from the factory default. 
Is it recommended up flash u-boot also?

Regards
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Jean-Eric Cuendet]

2008/9/9 David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.
>
> here you have more detailed information
>
> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>

In the README, I see:

-tangogps ->configured to use google maps

Does that means WIFI is needed for TangoGPS to work?
Or is there a way to download Google Maps?




> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server
> seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way
>
> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>
> Regards and a hug
>
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Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner

[Evgeny Ginzburg]

Thomas Bertani wrote:
> I want to compile (with ./configure;make;make install) a software from 
> source on the neo freerunner without sdk or toolchain, directly from the 
> phone.
> 
> What I have to install?
> 
Take a look at 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000122.html

Cheers Evgeny

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Jean-Eric Cuendet]

2008/9/9 David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.
>
> here you have more detailed information
>
> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>
> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server
> seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way
>
> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>

Nice work guy!
I would propose that instead of creating yet another distribut (tm) you
provide modified packages that can just be installed through OPKG on
Om2008.x
What do you think? It's no criticism, just a thought.

I can provide you with server CPU time to build the packages and upload them
to Multiverse for example.
-jec


>
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>
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Jay Vaughan]

can anyone work out what works and what doesnt?

calls seem to be fine, though i've had a few hangups mid-call already  
alas .. and for the life of me i can't get it to connect to my wifi  
network, which is WEP 128bit HEX .. some voodoo here?

generally a lot more interesting-looking than qtopia, but very thorny  
too, in bits!  how do you quit an app?

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Re: usb problem, device not detected, fried?

[SCarlson]

Andres --
 Are you sure that you are not configured for usb host mode? That would
certainly cause your symptoms.

-Scott

andres wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> for some reason, when I plug the FR on the usb connected to my pc,
> it doesn't recognize that connection, nor it charges.
> 
> This is the same USB where it worked before and also tried with others,
> at the PC, (Ubuntu 8.04)
> 
> when
> 
> $>  ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
> 
> $> dmesg shows nothing
> 
> ifup usb0 at the FR shows as device already configured,
> although usb0 is not listed by ifconfig
> 
> when ifdow usb0, then ifup0 at the FR
> I get the error no such device.
> 
> any tip on how to follow up?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: resume from suspend shows white screen

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:11:46AM +1200, Glen Ogilvie wrote:
> I am running 2008.8 on my freerunner, except I've run into a problem.  When
> the phone resumes from suspend, it sometimes shows a white screen with
> nothing on it, instead of resuming.  It seems to happen after it has been
> suspended for a few minutes or more.
> 
> The phone is actually resumed as far as I can tell, because it can be shut
> off by holding the power button for 8 seconds, and it also suspends itself
> again from the white screen, so seems like a window manager crash, or video
> settings not restored type of issue.
> 
> Any ideas? I have not tried the Qtopia release yet, so can't comment if
> that works ok.

Have you tried a recent release? Like
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ from yesterday?

I'm just asking, to me a slightly earlier release *also* doesn't
suspend, just if you get to try it before I do... please do tell :)

Rui

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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

[Jean-Eric Cuendet]

> > This appends also for me... same thing
> >
>
> fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4
>

And BTW, is it possible to have a workaround for 4.3?


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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

[Jean-Eric Cuendet]

> >
> > This appends also for me... same thing
> >
>
> fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4
>

Fine to hear!
But when is 4.4?


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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Andreas Micklei]

Brilliant!

Of course the software and information to get to this software level is
freely available. But your distribution is a HUGE timesaver allowing me
to concentrate on the important stuff. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: gsm log on my gta02 makes mention of gta01

[Stephen Shelton]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:08:46 +0200
"Thomas B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:38PM -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:42:13 +0200
> > "Thomas B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Do you have gsmd and qtopia-phone-x11 installed at the same time? The
> > > two packages are conflicting, because qtopia has its own GSM stack. So
> > > if this is the case, deinstall either one of them.
> > 
> > This must be it. Which one is the default? I'm not sure if I installed gsmd 
> > implicitly, or if qtopia-phone-x11 was pulled in as a dependency.
> 
> qtopia-phone-x11 is the default on OM2008.8.
> 
> > If the latter is true, this should be noted in the installer...
> 
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1827
> 
> Regards,
> Thomas
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This was indeed the issue. opkg remove libgsmd did the trick. Thanks for the
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Re: Get spare parts in NYC (batteries)

[Andy Selby]

> I'll be in New York beginning of October and would like to purchase 2 spare
> batteries for my FR - any hints on where I could get them? Is there a local
> distributor or buyers group with active orders, by any chance?

I've bought one of these for my neo1973
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BL-6C-Battery-for-Nokia-2126i-6015i-6016i-E70-N-Gage-QD_W0QQitemZ350094841757QQihZ022QQcategoryZ20365QQcmdZViewItem
battery charge is reported accurately in Qtopia, although it wont
charge over USB

To charge it get one of these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Battery-Charger-fit-Nokia-BL-4C-BL-5B-BL-5C-BL-6C-6080_W0QQitemZ220276820282QQihZ012QQcategoryZ20336QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
same shop thus combining postage.

Yeah, I'd like an official FIC battery but if they don't sell them,
singly, for a reasonable price I'll go elsewhere.
The neo1973's came with headphones and a pouch so I don't need them.

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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

[Yann SLADEK]

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Do you have an hypothetical date for the release of 4.4 ? :)

Thanks

Lorn Potter a écrit :
> Thomas Bertani wrote:
>>
>> 2008/9/9 Jean-Eric Cuendet <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >
>>
>> Hi,
>> I installed the last image from Lorn of QTopia 4.3.3
>> I have a problem: when I start it, it seems like if QTopia thinks
>> the FR is powered by USB, so it doesn't go to sleep after 30 seconds.
>> If I plug it to USB, it then detects the cable (the screen
>> brightness is higher).
>> If I unplug it, it detects now that it's unplugged (the screen
>> brightness is lower). And after that, it suspends after 30 seconds.
>>
>> So I think that at first boot, QTopia thinks it's connected to USB
>> while it is not. And all becomes well after plug/unplug from USB.
>> Where is the status of the plug/unplug stored?
>> Have someone an idea where to look to debug?
>> This is easily reproducible on my FR.
>> Lorn?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> -jec
>>
>>
>>
>> This appends also for me... same thing
>>
> 
> fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4
> 
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usb problem, device not detected, fried?

[andres]

Hi

for some reason, when I plug the FR on the usb connected to my pc,
it doesn't recognize that connection, nor it charges.

This is the same USB where it worked before and also tried with others,
at the PC, (Ubuntu 8.04)

when

$>  ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device

$> dmesg shows nothing

ifup usb0 at the FR shows as device already configured,
although usb0 is not listed by ifconfig

when ifdow usb0, then ifup0 at the FR
I get the error no such device.

any tip on how to follow up?

Thank you,







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850Mhz Neo Freerunner for sale in Colorado

[shawn sullivan]

I have 1 850Mhz Neo Freerunner from a 10 pack that I am now needing to 
sell. This has never been taken out of the box, and will come with the 
pouch and the headset (plus all the regular phone stuff). $370 + 
shipping. I'm in Denver, Colorado and can make deliveries to the Denver 
metro area.

Please email me off list with questions!

Thanks.

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resume from suspend shows white screen

[Glen Ogilvie]

Hi,

I am running 2008.8 on my freerunner, except I've run into a problem.  When
the phone resumes from suspend, it sometimes shows a white screen with
nothing on it, instead of resuming.  It seems to happen after it has been
suspended for a few minutes or more.

The phone is actually resumed as far as I can tell, because it can be shut
off by holding the power button for 8 seconds, and it also suspends itself
again from the white screen, so seems like a window manager crash, or video
settings not restored type of issue.

Any ideas? I have not tried the Qtopia release yet, so can't comment if
that works ok.

Regards
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Andreas Zuber]

Am Dienstag 09 September 2008 18:45:09 schrieb Previdi Roberto:
> Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great
> configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's better
> if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the
> generated binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible..

It may also be an option to configure DistCC for crosscompilation on your 
desktop. If you remove localhost from the list, everything will get compiled 
on your desktop and not on the freerunner. The difference is that you dont 
have to copy files and you can still use the USE flags. Hopefully :-)

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml

I hope i get gentoo running on my Freerunner, so i can test this soon 

greetings
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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 21:54, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env
> qpe
>
>
> and this will most likely tell you whats up.
>

Ok thanks, this way I could get the error message :

"qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory"

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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

[Cédric Berger]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 21:54, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cédric Berger wrote:
>> Where should I look for a log of what is happening ?
>
> You can run qtopia form the console (ssh).
> just do this:
>
> source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env
> qpe
>
>
> and this will most likely tell you whats up.
>
> Btw, is this on gta01?
>
no, gta02.
I'll try again.

I thought it might be it is stuck browsing my 8GB card (though I think
i disabled it through editing
/opt/Nokia/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf)... but it should
get to main screen anyway

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Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner

[Lally Singh]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:40 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thomas Bertani wrote:
>> I want to compile (with ./configure;make;make install) a software from
>> source on the neo freerunner without sdk or toolchain, directly from the
>> phone.
>>
>> What I have to install?
>
> Well, wouldn't it so slow? It's a 400Mhz, btw! :P

A few of us here started with much slower desktop PCs.  Like pentium-90s.

Now all we need is a symbol & keyword completing keyboard for C/C++ :-)

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Re: Get spare parts in NYC (batteries)

[Brian Wilson]

> Personally, I don't want to spend $50 when all I really want is one spare 
> Freerunner battery.

I am using the pouch that came with my FR for the spare inner tube on
my bicycle and I have not opened the baggie with the headset yet so I
don't want more of them.

Batteries should be available separately as should other replacement parts.

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Re: gsm log on my gta02 makes mention of gta01

[Thomas B.]

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:38PM -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:42:13 +0200
> "Thomas B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Do you have gsmd and qtopia-phone-x11 installed at the same time? The
> > two packages are conflicting, because qtopia has its own GSM stack. So
> > if this is the case, deinstall either one of them.
> 
> This must be it. Which one is the default? I'm not sure if I installed gsmd 
> implicitly, or if qtopia-phone-x11 was pulled in as a dependency.

qtopia-phone-x11 is the default on OM2008.8.

> If the latter is true, this should be noted in the installer...

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1827

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FR with different WLAN modes

[Katrin Tomanek]

Hi, 
I had been posting before on the wifi issue.
After I had problems with connecting to my WPA-secured WLAN, I managed
easily (with the description as can be found in the wiki) to connect to a
WPA2-secured WLAN.

Then, I set my AP to WEP and authentication with wpa_supplicant worked --
once! When I ran the wpa_supplicant again I had the same problems as with
WPA -- I got a "authentication timed out" error message (after rebooting:
worked once, then not).

So, to summarize, whereas authentication with wpa_supplicant and WPA2 seems
to work fairly well, there seem to be problems with WPA and WEP. Did anybody
observe similar behavior? Does anybody have an explanation?

I'd really love to see my FR being able to connect to wifi easily...

Katrin
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Daniel Hedblom]

Thanks!

Really sweet image you have there.

//danielh

2008/9/9 David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.
>
> here you have more detailed information
>
> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>
> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server
> seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way
>
> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>
> Regards and a hug
>
> David Samblas
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Re: gsm log on my gta02 makes mention of gta01

[Stephen Shelton]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:42:13 +0200
"Thomas B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 09:49:22AM -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote:
> > I installed 2008.8 last night and GSM worked well immediately on boot. I 
> > did a
> > number of things, particularly opkg update / opkg upgrade (although the 
> > latter
> > output nothing).
> > 
> > After rebooting, gsm ceased to work. I pull up it's log and keep seeing 
> > output
> > attributed to a machine_gta01.c. Perhaps said code should work wight gta02, 
> > but
> > regardless the gsm is not working. Here is my log file about 8 minutes into
> > restarting gsm:
> > 
> > Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <6> log.c:106:gsmdlog_init() logfile successfully 
> > opened
> > [...]
> > ...and this pattern continues...
> > 
> > Any hints would be appreciated.
> 
> Do you have gsmd and qtopia-phone-x11 installed at the same time? The
> two packages are conflicting, because qtopia has its own GSM stack. So
> if this is the case, deinstall either one of them.
> 
> HTH,
> Thomas
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This must be it. Which one is the default? I'm not sure if I installed gsmd 
implicitly, or if qtopia-phone-x11 was pulled in as a dependency.

If the latter is true, this should be noted in the installer...

Thanks

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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

[Lorn Potter]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 00:29, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> do /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh start
>> or ln -s /etc/init.d/qpe.sh /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe.sh
>> to make it start up automatically on boot. (dont forget to remove the link 
>> in /etc/rc5.d to xserver-nodm
>>
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> But I still can't get it start : it goes to the empty screen with
> blinking cursor at top, and stays stucked here.
> Where should I look for a log of what is happening ?

You can run qtopia form the console (ssh).
just do this:

source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env
qpe


and this will most likely tell you whats up.

Btw, is this on gta01?


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Re: USB host successes

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:35:44 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I've tried to answer many of these questions here:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host
> 
> If you feel this information is unclear, lacking, or wrong, please
> correct or please let me know.
> 
> In particular, I'd love people to add any specific setups they have that
> are working.
> 
> Michael

Thank you - exactly the information needed.  The 47kohm resistor (between
ID and GND) is needed to signal 1000mA charging permitted (that's what I
was thinking of when I wrote about the 15k pair in my previous post), per
both http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host and
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables, but unless I'm
misreading they seem to contradict one another regarding the 15k pulldowns
on D+ and D-.  What is the correct info regarding those?

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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

[Lorn Potter]

Thomas Bertani wrote:
> 
> 
> 2008/9/9 Jean-Eric Cuendet <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> 
> Hi,
> I installed the last image from Lorn of QTopia 4.3.3
> I have a problem: when I start it, it seems like if QTopia thinks
> the FR is powered by USB, so it doesn't go to sleep after 30 seconds.
> If I plug it to USB, it then detects the cable (the screen
> brightness is higher).
> If I unplug it, it detects now that it's unplugged (the screen
> brightness is lower). And after that, it suspends after 30 seconds.
> 
> So I think that at first boot, QTopia thinks it's connected to USB
> while it is not. And all becomes well after plug/unplug from USB.
> Where is the status of the plug/unplug stored?
> Have someone an idea where to look to debug?
> This is easily reproducible on my FR.
> Lorn?
> 
> Thanks.
> -jec
> 
> 
> 
> This appends also for me... same thing
> 

fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4


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Re: USB host successes

[Michael Shiloh]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:23:43 +0200, Maciej Delmanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote:
>>> probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner
>> can
>>> power a hub and two adapters)



I've tried to answer many of these questions here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host

If you feel this information is unclear, lacking, or wrong, please 
correct or please let me know.

In particular, I'd love people to add any specific setups they have that 
are working.

Michael

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Re: Get spare parts in NYC (batteries)

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:49:50 -0400, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you considered a spares pack?
> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack
> 
> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 04:12:09 Stefan Fröbe wrote:
>> Yes, I know as I also own quite a few BC-5s and remakes ;-)
>> But I'm looking specifically for the original ones to have the coulomb
>> counter and a working charge meter...
>> 

Personally, I don't want to spend $50 when all I really want is one spare
Freerunner battery.  Don't want/need the headset or pouch, would use the
extra batt if I had it but don't need it so would rather save the $$. 
(I've got two BL-5Cs and a BL-6C from my nokia 6600, so in a pinch I can
use one of them - I make sure one is always charged and tucked in the
armrest in my car - but as with Stefan I'd like to be able to see at least
an estimate of remaining charge)

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Re: USB host successes

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:23:43 +0200, Maciej Delmanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote:
>> probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner
> can
>> power a hub and two adapters)
> 
> I've thought about different idea - can FreeRunner be powered from USB
> power
> adaper connected to the USB hub? Like this:
> 
> 
>   Power plug
>   |
>   |
>USB Hub---Ethernet, thumb drive, other devices
>   |
>   |
>  FreeRunner
> 
> That would probably solved power requirements... But it's still 220V (or
> 110V)
> attached indirectly to the USB network, is it safe ('cause I have no
> idea...)?
> For example, can I connect another computer through USB or Ethernet card
> with
> that configuration?
> 
> harnir

[NOTE: It's NOT - or better not be - 220V or 110V direct to the hub, it's
likely to be 5Vdc]

You should be able to do this with the Freerunner, but you have to set the
mode in sysfs correctly, AND you should have 15k resistors between the D+
and D- data lines and ground. (see
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#USB_Host_.2F_Device)  I'd ordered
a combo USB hub plus card reader that I wanted to try to utilize this way,
but when it arrived the hub was intermittent and the card reader was dead,
so I've not been able to try yet. (awaiting RMA)  I've got a 5V 2A cord
from my lost Zaurus that I was going to power it all with, figured that'd
be adequate to charge the freerunner at 1000mA while powering the hub/card
reader and whatever I've plugged into it.  Just needs a bit of rewiring
inside the hub.

As far as connecting a desktop PC and the Freerunner to the hub at the same
time, I'm not sure WHAT would happen if the Freerunner were in Host mode -
you'd get contention as to which was master of the bus, probably neither
would be able to work in that configuration. (I'm not even sure if the
design of a USB hub would allow it - I think it treats the 'peripheral'
connections differently than the 'host' connection, even apart from
expecting power to be present on the host port)

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OPKG building and repository

[Jean-Eric Cuendet]

Hi,
I have a dedicated server (P4 3.2 GHz) connected directly to Internet.
This is a proposition for those that would like a system to automatically
build IPKG for Openmoko.
I can give them access to it (or put their scripts) to auto build packages
for Openmoko.

I need help:
1) To create scripts that buld packages (First candidates: duke,
numptyphysics, inotify-utils, maps for Navit or others, ...)
2) To create a repository for thise packages (or use Multiverse?)

Thanks to voice if you are interested.
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Re: Stylus Ink Replacement Cartridge?

[Joel Newkirk]

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:13:15 -0400, "Charles Pax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Does anyone know how to replace the ink cartridge in the stylus that
comes
> with the Freerunner? It seems like I can just pull it out, but I don't
> want
> to break it. Also, does anyone have a Staples of OfficeMax item number
for
> a
> good replacement cartridge? Thanks.
> 
> -Charles

I picked up a refill at Staples for $1.99, a fine-point black Fisher
Universal pressurized refill for 'multi-action pens', Staples item code
521860, works great.  Fisher's model is #SU4F, UPC 7-47609-17141-9.  It was
kinda depressing how quickly the included ink runs out, I probably wrote a
total of 1/2 page with it before needing this refill.

They had another that should fit, medium point Staedtler 'multi-action' pen
refills, staples item code 396404, but that one is a three-pack of
black+blue+red for $3.29.  The three-pack didn't seem like a great idea for
the stylus (I'm sure it's intended for the 'select-a-color' style pens) - I
can't imagine stopping to swap them out when I wanted red instead of black,
or whatever, and I wouldn't want my stylus pen to always write red.  (or
blue for that matter - finepoint black is IT for me ;)

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Re: USB host successes (good to have)

[Michele Renda]

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I was thinking that a way to reduce the quantity of cable a person has
to have with his will be to have:

1 x Usb -> MicroUsb camle

1 x USB A Female - Female Adaptor (see A)

1 x Recharger without cable (see B)

A)
http://www.conectica.ro/display/1-63-19-Adaptoare/Adaptor_USB_A___USB_A___.html
or
http://www.cross-mark.com/female-female-coupler-adapter-p-922.html

B)
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/10521.htm
(I know it don't provide 1 A, but it is only to have an idea)

In this mode will be easier to bring with us a regarger using always the
same cables.

Michele Renda
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile
> everything?

that's what crosscompiling is for. nobody is going to use portage to
compile from source on the phone itself. how you came to that
conclusion is beyond me.

best regards ...
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Michael Shiloh]

David Samblas wrote:
> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel  
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps 
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.


Thank you so much! I've loaded this and was greeted with a nice full 
screen of applications. I will now explore!

Will you make a wiki page or shall I? I think the distributions page 
lists a number of "unnofficial" images such as scardycat, etc.

Michael

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Re: USB host successes (good to have)

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:36:55 +0200, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> Hello
> 
> I want to share something that I found in a shop:
> 
>
http://www.conectica.ro/display/1-63-19-Adaptoare/Adaptor_USB_A___USB_A___.html
> 
> With it I could use the shipped cable (Usb to Micro Usb) to attach a
> pendrive to my FR and to get my FR running.
> 
> It cost around 1.50 euro, and it seem to be cheap to me. The good think
> is that it permit to use the provided cable and to don't risk to brak
> the micro usb part inside the FR.
> 
> What do you think about it?
>


Should work just fine.  I picked up a few of
http://www.cross-mark.com/female-female-coupler-adapter-p-922.html (and
http://www.cross-mark.com/pins-cable-players-p-734.html) and they work
fine.  Lets me couple the provided cable (and the replacements noted in
parens) to the standard USB cable provided with most peripherals.

j


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Re: [Info] time and date settings tool

[Yorick Moko]

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Pradeep Gottumukkala
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>   I felt proud to be part of openmoko development. I have developed a
> system date and time settings application(time-man) in python and I have
> tested it on Neo1973(OM2007.2).
>
>Hope you guys would like to use it and test it and I expect your
> valuable feedback to make it more useful.
>
>   Find this here:
>
>   http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki//index.php/Time-tool
>
> Regards,
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nice work
will test it later on


but it is getting increasingly diffucult to find all the good openmoko programs
everybody is putting his project in a different location online and
there isn't a list to keep track of it all

Maybe we should at least put up a wiki page where everybody can add
links for programs that are not on projects.openmoko.org?

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Re: gsm log on my gta02 makes mention of gta01

[Thomas B.]

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 09:49:22AM -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote:
> I installed 2008.8 last night and GSM worked well immediately on boot. I did a
> number of things, particularly opkg update / opkg upgrade (although the latter
> output nothing).
> 
> After rebooting, gsm ceased to work. I pull up it's log and keep seeing output
> attributed to a machine_gta01.c. Perhaps said code should work wight gta02, 
> but
> regardless the gsm is not working. Here is my log file about 8 minutes into
> restarting gsm:
> 
> Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <6> log.c:106:gsmdlog_init() logfile successfully 
> opened
> [...]
> ...and this pattern continues...
> 
> Any hints would be appreciated.

Do you have gsmd and qtopia-phone-x11 installed at the same time? The
two packages are conflicting, because qtopia has its own GSM stack. So
if this is the case, deinstall either one of them.

HTH,
Thomas


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gta02 kernel for qemu

[Pupino]

Hi all,
i was trying to emulate the gta02 on qemu, but i find i can't patch the
kernel.
I'm following the instructions included in the README in the qemu/openmoko
folder.
What fail is this:
cg-switch -r fbfbc5130075e233f2fd2613e2897c3c4ed4bc7f gta02fake

and fails telling:
error: unable to find fbfbc5130075e233f2fd2613e2897c3c4ed4bc7f
fatal: git-cat-file fbfbc5130075e233f2fd2613e2897c3c4ed4bc7f: bad file
error: unable to find fbfbc5130075e233f2fd2613e2897c3c4ed4bc7f
fatal: git-cat-file fbfbc5130075e233f2fd2613e2897c3c4ed4bc7f: bad file
Invalid commit id: fbfbc5130075e233f2fd2613e2897c3c4ed4bc7f

any one knows what's wrong?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner

[Jose Luis Perez Diez]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Previdi Roberto wrote:
> > yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux
> > system if you cannot compile code in it...
> >
>
> Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a
> FreeRunner!
>

Fine somebody asked for it i paste some lines of a 1974  now  compiling perl
5.8.8


make[1]: Entering directory `/home/root/loro/perl-5.8.8/ext/PerlIO/scalar'
cp scalar.pm ../../../lib/PerlIO/scalar.pm
../../../miniperl "-I../../../lib" "-I../../../lib"
../../../lib/ExtUtils/xsubpp  -typemap ../../../lib/ExtUtils/typemap
scalar.xs > scalar.xsc && mv scalar.xsc scalar.c
cc -c   -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement
-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2   -DVERSION=\"0.04\"
-DXS_VERSION=\"0.04\" -fpic "-I../../.."   scalar.c
Running Mkbootstrap for PerlIO::scalar ()
chmod 644 scalar.bs
rm -f ../../../lib/auto/PerlIO/scalar/scalar.so
cc  -shared scalar.o  -o ../../../lib/auto/PerlIO/scalar/scalar.so \
 \

chmod 755 ../../../lib/auto/PerlIO/scalar/scalar.so
cp scalar.bs ../../../lib/auto/PerlIO/scalar/scalar.bs
chmod 644 ../../../lib/auto/PerlIO/scalar/scalar.bs
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/root/loro/perl-5.8.8/ext/PerlIO/scalar'

Making PerlIO::via (dynamic)
Writing Makefile for PerlIO::via
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/root/loro/perl-5.8.8/ext/PerlIO/via'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/root/loro/perl-5.8.8/ext/PerlIO/via'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/root/loro/perl-5.8.8/ext/PerlIO/via'
cp via.pm ../../../lib/PerlIO/via.pm
(lot of lines)
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/root/loro/perl-5.8.8/ext/Errno'

lib/CPAN/Config.pm initialized.


CPAN is the world-wide archive of perl resources. It consists of about
100 sites that all replicate the same contents all around the globe.
Many countries have at least one CPAN site already. The resources
found on CPAN are easily accessible with the CPAN.pm module. If you
want to use CPAN.pm, you have to configure it properly.

If you do not want to enter a dialog now, you can answer 'no' to this
question and I'll try to autoconfigure. (Note: you can revisit this
dialog anytime later by typing 'o conf init' at the cpan prompt.)

Are you ready for manual configuration? [yes]

I'm goin to acept the default
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Re: Qtopia Media Player + Pulseaudio = hurt

[Dylan Reilly]

I did nothing special, but I have had configurations where there was no
music listed in the program.

Where, specifically (i.e., directory and partition) do you have your music
stored?

Did your FR suspend once before you ran the program? Suspending right now
under testing borks the SD card mount point.

Also try killing qpe and letting it restart.

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 09 September 2008 10:44:21 Dylan Reilly wrote:
> > Under current 2008 testing builds, playing (compressed) music through the
> > qtopia media player causes pulseaudio spike to crazy levels of cpu
> > utilization (~ 50%). This is on top the load for the media player itself
> > (~30%). Needless to say, this makes the poor FR incapable of
> decompressing
> > the music in a timely fashion.
> >
> > The GTK openmoko media player does not have this issue. (In 2008, does
> the
> > GTK media player have the patch to bypass pulse as it did in 2007?)
> >
> > Is this a known issue or one I should bug? I remember being able to
> listen
> > to music through the Qtopia media player not too long ago.
> >
>
> How do you get music selections to come up in the list in the media player?
>
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alarm clock

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

Hi,

just upgraded my openmoko to todays updates, and hooray: alarm now
wakes from suspend and sounds the alert ... almost that is:
It seems to be "off" in time (delayed) by the amount of time you specify
in the "blank screen" option, and each time you change that option, the
new time gets added to the delay.
So first I got 1 minute off, then I started testing and playing with
the blank/suspend and alarm times.
All of the sudden it was 2 minutes off, untill I set my blank time to
30s and no suspend time. And there it was: 2m30s off.
Again I changed my blank time, this time to 1 minute. Now the delay is
2m40s ... weird  maybe it is delayed an extra 10 seconds every time
you reset the alarm to a new time?

Anybody else did some testing?

Franky

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Re: USB host successes (good to have)

[Michele Renda]

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I want to share something that I found in a shop:

http://www.conectica.ro/display/1-63-19-Adaptoare/Adaptor_USB_A___USB_A___.html

With it I could use the shipped cable (Usb to Micro Usb) to attach a
pendrive to my FR and to get my FR running.

It cost around 1.50 euro, and it seem to be cheap to me. The good think
is that it permit to use the provided cable and to don't risk to brak
the micro usb part inside the FR.

What do you think about it?

Michele Renda
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Re: Thanks to everybody at OpenMoko and all the contributers

[Paul V. Borza]

Thanks Juergen :)
Paul

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Juergen Schinker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Hello
>
> i searched this Mailinglist for the word "thanks" in the Subject and i
> couldn't find one so  
>
>
> I want to thank everyone from Openmoko and all other devs who contribute
> to this outstanding project
>
> the combination of Open Source and Open Hardware is just brilliant.
>
>
> My Thanks go to Sean Moss-Pultz
>Harald Welte
>Michael Lauer
>Holger Freyther
>Joseph Reeves
>Thomas Wood
>Andy Allen for Gravitystorm.co.uk
>Marcus Bauer for tangoGPS
>Andy "ScaredyCat" Powell
>Chris Ball
>Guillaume Chereau
>Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz
>Paul V. Borza
>Valério Valério
>
>and all the other i probably forgot
>
> I enjoy my Freerunner everyday and can't wait for all the great appl. to
> come (even when i don't use it as a phone yet)
>
> Thanks
>
> Juergen
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Re: [qtopia & openmoko]can't compile gnuboy

[Chris Hogan]

Have you tried setting the resolution on the command line?

Something like this:

sdlgnuboy --vmode=480,640,32 tetris.gb

Chris.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Thomas Bertani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yuppie, thanks a lot, I compliled it usccessfully, but now, when I try to
> launch the app, I get this error...
>
> SDL: can't set video mode: No video mode large enough for 160x144
> Signal 11
>
>
> how can I solve it?

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[David Samblas]

:) please let make spectations at safety levels :) FDOM is not more than
a few opkg installs, a little bit of glue here and a few painting there
but basically stills a OM2008.8-update :)

Jay (and others) I sugesst you to backup your own image first , just as
precaution :).

Here is a method i have used to generate the image of FSDOM.

on  Neo(or though an ssh session on Neo)

opkg mkfs-jffs2
mkdir  /var/tmp/root
mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /var/tmp/root

on PC

(pv used to se the progres of the operation, executed on ubuntu 8.04,
change neos ip if needed)
sudo aptitude install pv

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "mkfs.jffs2 -d /var/tmp/root -e 128 --pad
--no-cleanmarkers -x lzo" | pv -W >
the_name_of_your_rootfs_image_here.jffs2

scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/boot/uImage-2.6.24
the_name_of_your_kernel_image_here.bin

Regards and thanks you all :)
El mar, 09-09-2008 a las 19:09 +0200, Jay Vaughan escribió:
> > p.s. looks interesting - installing now!
> 
> 
> after a long hiatus away from the freerunner hacking for a month or so  
> (hey, so i got an iphone, sue me!) i am very glad to see that there  
> are folks now sharing booting images!  this is gotta be good for  
> freerunner now, which btw i -have- been using as a main cell phone a  
> bit more recently as well too (iphone calls are expensive), so there  
> is trepidation about taking my - Working Freerunner - and putting some  
> random image on it!
> 
> but, thats what its for, so .. here goes!! me too :)
> 
> 
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Re: Qtopia Media Player + Pulseaudio = hurt

[Daniel Benoy]

On Tuesday 09 September 2008 10:44:21 Dylan Reilly wrote:
> Under current 2008 testing builds, playing (compressed) music through the
> qtopia media player causes pulseaudio spike to crazy levels of cpu
> utilization (~ 50%). This is on top the load for the media player itself
> (~30%). Needless to say, this makes the poor FR incapable of decompressing
> the music in a timely fashion.
> 
> The GTK openmoko media player does not have this issue. (In 2008, does the
> GTK media player have the patch to bypass pulse as it did in 2007?)
> 
> Is this a known issue or one I should bug? I remember being able to listen
> to music through the Qtopia media player not too long ago.
> 

How do you get music selections to come up in the list in the media player?

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Jay Vaughan]

> p.s. looks interesting - installing now!


after a long hiatus away from the freerunner hacking for a month or so  
(hey, so i got an iphone, sue me!) i am very glad to see that there  
are folks now sharing booting images!  this is gotta be good for  
freerunner now, which btw i -have- been using as a main cell phone a  
bit more recently as well too (iphone calls are expensive), so there  
is trepidation about taking my - Working Freerunner - and putting some  
random image on it!

but, thats what its for, so .. here goes!! me too :)


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Re: Does the GPS work on opentango.

[Orlando]

Hi to all,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg install
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.opk
Downloading
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.opk
Multiple packages (gpsd and gpsd) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.
 Using latest.
Installing gpsd (2.34-r9) to root...
Installing gpsd-gpsctl (2.34-r9) to root...
Downloading
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gpsd-gpsctl_2.34-r9_armv4t.opk
Installing libgps16 (2.34-r9) to root...
Downloading
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/libgps16_2.34-r9_armv4t.opk
Configuring gpsd
 Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/gpsd.
Starting gpsd: success

Configuring gpsd-gpsctl
Configuring libgps16
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#


gpsd is now installed and working...

thanks for everything :)

-Orlando.



On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:15 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> firstly:
> - this is a support-list issue
> - prefix your subject with at least the distribution you're using (2007.2,
> 2008.8, fso, debian) and maybe the hardware (gta01, gta02)
> to make it easier to help you
>
>
> > When I run tangogps it tells me that I have no gps. It is weird because I
> > have the agpsui program and it is working properly.
>
> agpsui does not use gpsd but reads the device directly.
> gpsd is in the repos -- simply install.
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Thanks to everybody at OpenMoko and all the contributers

[Juergen Schinker]

Hello

i searched this Mailinglist for the word "thanks" in the Subject and i 
couldn't find one so  


I want to thank everyone from Openmoko and all other devs who contribute 
to this outstanding project

the combination of Open Source and Open Hardware is just brilliant.


My Thanks go to Sean Moss-Pultz
Harald Welte
Michael Lauer
Holger Freyther
Joseph Reeves
Thomas Wood
Andy Allen for Gravitystorm.co.uk
Marcus Bauer for tangoGPS
Andy "ScaredyCat" Powell
Chris Ball
Guillaume Chereau
Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz
Paul V. Borza
Valério Valério

and all the other i probably forgot

I enjoy my Freerunner everyday and can't wait for all the great appl. to 
come (even when i don't use it as a phone yet)

Thanks

Juergen


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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Daniel Benoy]

Does anyone have an overlay or something that lets you install illume, 
frameworkd, etc?

On Monday 08 September 2008 20:59:22 Dennis.Yxun wrote:
> HI Devs:
> 
> As a die-hard Gentoo fans, I'd be happy to see someone
> 
> deliver a Gentoo openmoko distribution which leverage the greatness of
> portage.
> 
> Thank you, It's really great!
> 
>I'm downloading stage now, but due to my poor network,
> 
> the download speed is quite low, and It about takes me 5Ds to finish the
> stage1 tarball~
> 
> so I'm thinking about build the system all by myself.
> 
>I've have some experience of setting up the cross-compiler tools in
> Gentoo,
> 
> but find it's not easy to build the base system... I may try this later, and
> post here.
> 
> Proposal, Can we setup an openmoko-gentoo overlay, so people who are
> interested
> 
> to this may build on it. And also people can contribute same ebuilds back.
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T-shirt store (was: Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner)

[Michael Shiloh]

Previdi Roberto wrote:
> yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux 
> system if you cannot compile code in it...



 >

Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a 
FreeRunner!


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T-shirt store (was: Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner)

[Michael Shiloh]

Previdi Roberto wrote:
> yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux 
> system if you cannot compile code in it...



 >

Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a 
FreeRunner!


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Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner

[Michael Shiloh]

Previdi Roberto wrote:
> yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux 
> system if you cannot compile code in it...
> 

Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a 
FreeRunner!

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Re: Get spare parts in NYC (batteries)

[Daniel Benoy]

Have you considered a spares pack?
http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack

On Tuesday 09 September 2008 04:12:09 Stefan Fröbe wrote:
> Yes, I know as I also own quite a few BC-5s and remakes ;-)
> But I'm looking specifically for the original ones to have the coulomb
> counter and a working charge meter...
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Thorben Krueger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > the batteries should be pretty standart stuff. I got the same form
> > factor in my nokia (although it is a bit shorter, the connectors are
> > in the right place and the width is the same). I suggest you should
> > simply walk into the next mobile accessory store with the battery to
> > get a compatible one. No need to import anything if I am correct.
> >
> > Thorben
> >
> > 2008/9/9 Stefan Fröbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'll be in New York beginning of October and would like to purchase 2
> > spare
> > > batteries for my FR - any hints on where I could get them? Is there a
> > local
> > > distributor or buyers group with active orders, by any chance?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Stefan
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Previdi Roberto]

Yes you can use gentoo with binary packages, but you loose the great
configurability given by the tuning of the USE flags... i think it's better
if i can manage to crosscompile from my desktop, and then copy the generated
binary on the moko. slower, but more flexible..

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:28 PM, David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> You can allways use compiled package and avoid to compile anything on
> gentoo,, and due we all use almos the same machine is no sense to compile
> over and over again, only if you find that a packges is not already
> compliled you can do it your self and the share with the rest to avoid it.
>
> Regards
>
> David Samblas
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>  On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:

> On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>
>> I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner
>> than everyone else :)
>>
>
> Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on
> embedded systems?
>

 No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me
 is
 an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
 distribution ;)

 Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;)

>>> Why would it kill the flash?
>>>
>>
>> With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything?
>>
>> I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything
>> heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day.
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] up and running :)

[Michael Shiloh]

David Samblas wrote:
> Thanks to Michael Siloh, 
> I can proudly annouce the opening of the spanish openmoko list,
> http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/local-openmoko-spain 
> 
> This intended to help the spanish non-english skilled users to help and
> be helped by the Openmoko community, the spanish skilled-enough users
> will act as bridge between international and local group
> Any english spanish-skilled are welcome  :), even anyone
> anything-skilled are welcome too :)
> 
> So to avoid any flamewar, the idea is to make the community grow not to
> split it. So I encorage anyone to do the same for his localgroup.
> 

Thanks to David, really, for initiating the Spanish group, for creating 
the original Spanish list, and for helping me get the list moved to 
Openmoko.

Openmoko is proud to support the Spanish local Openmoko group, and
Openmoko encourages the formation of other local Openmoko groups.

A mailing list seems like a useful tool, not to split the community, but 
to allow conversation that may not be relevant to the world at large 
(e.g. meetings or group purchases or, in this case, discussion in a 
different language).

I'll be happy to create mailing lists as needed. For the time being we 
are doing this under the umbrella of the local-openmoko project. Email 
me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to request such a list.

(The San Francisco local Openmoko Group, in contrast, has been invited 
to  simply use the San Francisco Linux User's Group mailing list, at 
least until we become a nuisance to them.)

I'll create a wiki page for local Openmoko groups, and look forward to 
adding more.

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Re: USB host successes

[Maciej Delmanowski]

On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote:
> probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
> power a hub and two adapters)

I've thought about different idea - can FreeRunner be powered from USB power
adaper connected to the USB hub? Like this:


  Power plug
  |
  |
   USB Hub---Ethernet, thumb drive, other devices
  |
  |
 FreeRunner

That would probably solved power requirements... But it's still 220V (or 110V)
attached indirectly to the USB network, is it safe ('cause I have no idea...)?
For example, can I connect another computer through USB or Ethernet card with
that configuration?

harnir

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Re: [qtopia & openmoko]can't compile gnuboy

[Thomas Bertani]

ehm... there is also a "fbgnuboy" executable oO
when I try to launch it, I get the error message "controlling terminal is
not the graphics console" both via ssh and via terminal on the neo... (under
qtopia).
Via ssh after getting this error, I also get disconnected from ssh...

Suggestions?
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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Craig B. Allen]

> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.

Does this include a fix to SD card corruption upon suspending?

- Craig

p.s. looks interesting - installing now!

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Re: Qtopia Media Player + Pulseaudio = hurt

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Dylan Reilly wrote:
> Under current 2008 testing builds, playing (compressed) music through 
> the qtopia media player causes pulseaudio spike to crazy levels of cpu 
> utilization (~ 50%). This is on top the load for the media player itself 
> (~30%). Needless to say, this makes the poor FR incapable of 
> decompressing the music in a timely fashion.

Well, can you really play music with that player? I'm using the 2008.8 
but I can't :o.
Maybe am I missing some lib (I've only libpulse0, for example...)?!

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Dale Maggee]

wow, very cool stuff, a hug back!

I haven't checked it out yet, but I will tomorrow (it's 2am here, past 
bedtime) ;)


David Samblas wrote:
> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.
>
> here you have more detailed information
>
> http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt
>
> I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server
> seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way
>
> Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome
>
> Regards and a hug
>
> David Samblas
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Qtopia issues (dialing/receiving calls simultaneously, suspend problems, alarm, time)

[Matthew Lane]

Hello,

I'd like to add that I've also confirmed that suspend bug where 
sometimes the FR just does not want to wake up and I have to pop out the 
battery.  Also, sometimes my FR does not wake up on SMS (it USUALLY 
does) and I have to wake the FR up myself, and then it receives my SMS 
messages.

Also, the FR seems to have problems when calling out and receiving an 
incoming call at the same time.  It creates multiple instances of a 
phone call (which I'm assuming it's wanting to do), but answering or 
talking on either one is impossible.  End call doesn't really work as 
once you've closed the dialer you're sometimes still connected.

Also, my alarm feature has stopped working.  The alarm simply won't go 
off at the designated time.  For example, I set my alarm for 9:30am, and 
the alarm goes off at 9:45pm.  Setting the alarm for 9:15pm 
unfortunately does not make the alarm go off at 9:30am (missed a class :( ).

As for time, when I set the Time & Date to "Automatic," the time and 
date is an hour off.

Also, my uSD card still isn't recognizable on qtopia (it is under 
2007.2), but other than that this distro is amazing because the phone is 
actually usable as an every-day phone.  I love the battery life 
(actually 1 full day) and usability.  Thanks for hard work!

Matthew Lane



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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michele Renda wrote:
> Someone know something about this? (Midori):
> 
> a) How to remove the string: "you are using a root account" (without 
> creating a non root account)

I had made a patch for it; just grep the code for that string, disabling 
that bar is easy as comment the code ;)

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FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[David Samblas]

Hi there,
you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel
image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps
already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.

here you have more detailed information

http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/README.txt

I recommend you to use wget -c to retrieve the files because of the server
seems to cut the connection time to time, a most robust mirror is on the way

Sugesstions , comments, and anything else will be welcome

Regards and a hug

David Samblas
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Re: [qtopia & openmoko]can't compile gnuboy

[arne anka]

> SDL: can't set video mode: No video mode large enough for 160x144

can't really help you there.
have a look at google and check maybe with fbset what idea sdl might have  
of your screen.

> http://doc.freevo.org/FAQ#head-a6b386d46c6dd5694353689a4017ccfbcaf19ee9

here's one related to zaurus
> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25605
that blames the portrait mode. sdl seesm to ecpect landscape (4:3, not 3:4)

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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[David Samblas]

You can allways use compiled package and avoid to compile anything on
gentoo,, and due we all use almos the same machine is no sense to compile
over and over again, only if you find that a packges is not already
compliled you can do it your self and the share with the rest to avoid it.

Regards

David Samblas

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner
> than everyone else :)
>

 Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on
 embedded systems?

>>>
>>> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me
>>> is
>>> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
>>> distribution ;)
>>>
>>> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;)
>>>
>> Why would it kill the flash?
>>
>
> With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything?
>
> I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything
> heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day.
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[shawnzier]

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 07:25:59AM -0700, Rodney Myers wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 02:51:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
 On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner
> than everyone else :)

 Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on
 embedded systems?
>>>
>>> No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me 
>>> is
>>> an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based
>>> distribution ;)
>>>
>>> Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;)
>> Why would it kill the flash?
>
> With all of the thrashing, while it's attempting to compile everything?
>
> I know that I have gentoo on a MythTV box, and when installing anything 
> heavy, forget using it for 1/2 to 3/4 of a day.
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Re: Trouble Building Kernel

[shawnzier]

On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 03:38:41PM +0800, Andy Green wrote:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | I wanted to build a kernel to get some drivers as modules instead of
> built-in. I followed
> |
> | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
> 
> | + BRANCH='(no'
> 
> There doesn't seem to be an active branch in git?  Try making one active.
OK. That worked. I've built the kernel with no errors. Now how do I build the 
modules? I would have to copy these to the freerunner before flashing the new 
kernel, from what I understand.
> 
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Re: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro

[Previdi Roberto]

Sorry, i have to correct: the guide i am following is this one:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/User:TuXXX

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Previdi Roberto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Following the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo guide i am trying to
> build my system, but i will not test it until i receive the 8Gb memory card
> i ordered. I will surely send a report and maybe an image (where should i
> send it?) when something works..
>
> 2008/9/9 Dennis. Yxun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> someone already made this, I just haven't tried it,
>>  due to my poor network
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_Gentoo
>>
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gsm log on my gta02 makes mention of gta01

[Stephen Shelton]

I installed 2008.8 last night and GSM worked well immediately on boot. I did a
number of things, particularly opkg update / opkg upgrade (although the latter
output nothing).

After rebooting, gsm ceased to work. I pull up it's log and keep seeing output
attributed to a machine_gta01.c. Perhaps said code should work wight gta02, but
regardless the gsm is not working. Here is my log file about 8 minutes into
restarting gsm:

Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <6> log.c:106:gsmdlog_init() logfile successfully 
opened  
 
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> machine.c:131:gsmd_machine_plugin_init() detected 
'GTA02' hardware
 
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> machine.c:72:gsmd_machine_plugin_load() loading 
machine plugin "gta01"  
   
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> vendor.c:75:gsmd_vendor_plugin_load() loading 
vendor plugin "ti"  
 
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> machine.c:56:gsmd_machine_plugin_find() selecting 
machine plugin "TI Calypso / FIC firmware"  
 
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> atcmd.c:691:atcmd_drain() c_iflag = 0x, 
c_oflag = 0x, c_cflag = 0x800018b2, c_lflag = 0x0a00
   
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> vendor.c:59:gsmd_vendor_plugin_find() selecting 
vendor plugin "TI Calypso"  
   
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> atcmd.c:651:atcmd_submit() extra-submiting command 


Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> machine_gta01.c:142:atcmd_wakeup_modem() try to 
wake up 
   
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> atcmd.c:654:atcmd_submit() submitting command 
`ATZ'   
 
Tue Sep  9 09:30:25 2008 <1> machine_gta01.c:134:wakeup_timer() Create wake up 
timer   
 
Tue Sep  9 09:30:28 2008 <1> machine_gta01.c:96:wakeup_timeout() Wakeup time 
out!!   
   
Tue Sep  9 09:30:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:593:discard_timer() Create discard timer   


Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:555:discard_timeout() discard time out!!   


Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <7> gsmd.c:218:firstcmd_atcb() response 'Timeout' to 
initial command invalidTue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:651:atcmd_submit()
extra-submiting command
Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> machine_gta01.c:142:atcmd_wakeup_modem() try to 
wake up 
   
Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:654:atcmd_submit() submitting command 
`ATE0V1'
 
Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:651:atcmd_submit() extra-submiting command 


Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> machine_gta01.c:142:atcmd_wakeup_modem() try to 
wake up 
   
Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:654:atcmd_submit() submitting command 
`AT+CRC=1'  
 
Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> atcmd.c:651:atcmd_submit() extra-submiting command 


Tue Sep  9 09:31:28 2008 <1> machine_gta01.c:142:atcmd_wakeup_modem() try to 
wake up