Suggestion for software please
When I have a personal document (odt) with hyperlinks in it (copied from another personal on-line document), I suggest software capability increase to allow a person to click on the document (odt) and then right-click to show the added software to remove all hyperlinks. That's it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Back to the Project
Hi Raphael, Happy to see you again here. Regards -- gw 2016-10-16 3:17 GMT+02:00 Raphael Bircher : > Hi there > > I'm honest, I'm a bit surprised by this project. Some weeks there was > rumors, that the project is dead, and some weeks later you put out the new > version. I know exactly what it takes to release a new version of AOO. So > congratulation to you guys. > > Well, i have not so much time as in the past. I have a realy important > project (nothing to do with Computers). But I will do some contributions. > BTW. The moast viewed Video on my YouTube Channel is one about Apache > OpenOffice. > > For the people how don't know me. I'm a OpenOffice community member since > late 2005 and a initial committer of Apache OpenOffice in 2011. I stepped > back from the Apache OpenOffice PMC at the beginning of 2015. Since then I > was silent. My main focus was on QA. What I do next, we will see. ;-) FYI I > switched OS. I'm now on Windows 10 and not an OS X. > > Regards Raphael > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Back to the Project
Hi there I'm honest, I'm a bit surprised by this project. Some weeks there was rumors, that the project is dead, and some weeks later you put out the new version. I know exactly what it takes to release a new version of AOO. So congratulation to you guys. Well, i have not so much time as in the past. I have a realy important project (nothing to do with Computers). But I will do some contributions. BTW. The moast viewed Video on my YouTube Channel is one about Apache OpenOffice. For the people how don't know me. I'm a OpenOffice community member since late 2005 and a initial committer of Apache OpenOffice in 2011. I stepped back from the Apache OpenOffice PMC at the beginning of 2015. Since then I was silent. My main focus was on QA. What I do next, we will see. ;-) FYI I switched OS. I'm now on Windows 10 and not an OS X. Regards Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Congratulations for all efforts of the past! Note from a user
Am 10/15/2016 02:56 PM, schrieb fzieg...@freenet.de: I was encouraged to leave my aoo forum post directly in the dev mailing list so that you all can read what I wanted to express. I am not a software developper in any sense--only a user. Dear developers, there may be little positive feedback for your work, I guess. So I created an account for the forum (and now subscribed temporarily to dev@aoo) to leave a big THANK YOU! The first version I used must have been something like StarOffice 4.3, the first I owned was SO 5.2, and then I shifted to OpenOffice(.org) when it introduced the XML file formats. So I am a convinced and longterm user since then and hardly ever regretted my decision. OpenOffice gave me the possibility to mostly do what I wanted to (with writer, base, calc, impress and draw - in that historic order) in an efficient way, and the only thing I don't like is, that it always tends towards following MS Office although it already was better in many ways. I understand that it is crucial to get as many users as possible, so I acknowledge the decisions towards MS Office. What I like most is the long term usability and stability, and I do not only keep my office files from more than 10 years ago, I also use and re-use them. And if one crashed in the past, I nearly always could recover them by opening the zip bundle with an (hex) editor. By that, I enjoyed the progress in LibreOffice, but didn't really need it. Although I switched to LibreOffice on some machines, I am always glad that there is OpenOffice, too. In my eyes, it is the more stable and efficient branch of the project. This year it was my fallback tool and salvation in a book project that I started with LO Writer; I first invested hours to get my pictures back to the place they belonged to when they got more and more (as others did decades before with MS Word) and then had to give up as it didn't open the file anymore without crashing. Apache OpenOffice (standard and portable) solved the problem. It got a nice book, by the way, for our church jubilee. So if you get the software maintained, I will probably continue to use OpenOffice for another 20 years. And I won't switch to DTP software (Scribus) for the next book project neither like I regularly do for magazines, brochures etc. OpenOffice is a great, great software, even if it didn't evolve much in the last years! (maybe even: because..) Powerful enough for both private and standard business use. Keep patience and persistance! A very satisfied and content user thank you very much for your many kind words. We are happy to have satisfied users like you. It's not often that we are seeing users with such a long history dedicated to OpenOffice and its previous applications. Thanks again and much fun and success with the new release. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: openoffice programming
If you seriously want to redevelop OO then you need to rearchitect and replace in an incremental fashion. Don't try and convert code or even translate, instead concentrate on the features and replace using a micro architecture. S On 14 Oct 2016 12:48, wrote: > I have a suggestion that Apache should write OpenOffice using Java and > Netbeans platform. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >
Re: [How to Cook a Release]
Am 10/15/2016 08:28 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus wrote: https://projects.apache.org/project.html?openoffice I've updated the data and also published the webpage but the project's webpage [2] is still showing the 4.1.2 data. Does it take some hours to show the new data? Yes, most data on the "projects" subsite are only updated on cron jobs. Anyway, I see 4.1.3 listed correctly now. great, I've documented this detail. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [How to Cook a Release]
Marcus wrote: https://projects.apache.org/project.html?openoffice I've updated the data and also published the webpage but the project's webpage [2] is still showing the 4.1.2 data. Does it take some hours to show the new data? Yes, most data on the "projects" subsite are only updated on cron jobs. Anyway, I see 4.1.3 listed correctly now. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: openoffice programming
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Alex Suk wrote: > Damjan Jovanovic wrote > > But even at a rate of rewriting 1000 lines per day in Java, it would take > > 1 days, which is about 28 man years, to rewrite OpenOffice's 10 > > million > > lines of code... > > I am no programmer but this is very interesting! > Do 10M lines in C++ convert to 10M lines in Java? Is it a 1:1 conversion? > Are there successful examples similar in magnitude to AOO in the software > world of such code rewrites from language A to language B? How did they > make > it? > Is it possible to reduce the 10M lines for conversion by for example > omitting Draw and Base from the suite? > Can this conversion be performed in a modular way? > Many thanks for answering. > > Some language constructs only allow 1 expression. For example both C++ and Java require 1 expression as the while loop condition. If the conversion generated more expressions in Java than there were in C++, there would be the serious issue of having to modify surrounding code to evaluate these expressions, so their results can combine into 1 while loop condition expression. There are places where Java must use multiple expressions where C++ had 1, for example because Java's bit shift operators on int only shift by the lowest 5 bits, while C++'s shift by the entire value (it's "undefined behaviour" to shift beyond the first operand size according to the specification, but I follow actual GCC and Clang behaviour on amd64). So 1 << 128 overflows to 0 in C++, but remains 1 in Java. x << y in C++ would have to translate into this in Java: (y & ~0x1f) == 0 ? (x << y) : 0 which can't be done like that, as y is evaluated twice, with potential side effects: if the expression was 5 << i++, i would be incremented twice. We thus have to make a copy of y and evaluate the copy. This would be an extra statement that has to be added somewhere. So far I've dealt with that by compiling such expressions into calls to helper methods like Integers.shiftLeft(), which make copies of the parameters and operate on those copies, thus keeping the conversion 1:1. I am not sure what can be omitted. After all you can draw in a spreadsheet, and you can import database data. Yes, at least some of the conversion could be done module-at-a-time for modules that are only accessed through UNO. Damjan
Re: openoffice programming
On 10/15/2016 10:17 AM, Alex Suk wrote: Damjan Jovanovic wrote But even at a rate of rewriting 1000 lines per day in Java, it would take 1 days, which is about 28 man years, to rewrite OpenOffice's 10 million lines of code... Do 10M lines in C++ convert to 10M lines in Java? Is it a 1:1 conversion? An automated transformation will almost always be close to a 1:1 conversion because that is easier to do. Regardless, it is a tricky business and difficult to get it right. It is difficult to do the conversion, and even the clean-up after the conversion is tricky business. Are there successful examples similar in magnitude to AOO in the software world of such code rewrites from language A to language B? How did they make it? Is it possible to reduce the 10M lines for conversion by for example omitting Draw and Base from the suite? Can this conversion be performed in a modular way? Many thanks for answering. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: openoffice programming
Damjan Jovanovic wrote > But even at a rate of rewriting 1000 lines per day in Java, it would take > 1 days, which is about 28 man years, to rewrite OpenOffice's 10 > million > lines of code... I am no programmer but this is very interesting! Do 10M lines in C++ convert to 10M lines in Java? Is it a 1:1 conversion? Are there successful examples similar in magnitude to AOO in the software world of such code rewrites from language A to language B? How did they make it? Is it possible to reduce the 10M lines for conversion by for example omitting Draw and Base from the suite? Can this conversion be performed in a modular way? Many thanks for answering. -- View this message in context: http://openoffice.2283327.n4.nabble.com/openoffice-programming-tp4683649p4683681.html Sent from the Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 4.1.4_release_blocker requested: [Issue 127147] RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time) that need to be added to exclude list
Marcus wrote: Of course I would to the fix first in trunk and locally before committing to the new AOO414 branch. Just to be clear on what is expected in general: bugs are normally fixed in trunk (and, if a discussion is needed on whether they should be fixed -not this case- it happens on Bugzilla or the dev list); only then they should be flagged as blockers and then the patch, depending on whether it applies without changes or not, is merged or ported to AOO414. So fixing it in trunk is still useful regardless of the AOO414 branch, and you can just go ahead with this, don't worry! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Congratulations for all efforts of the past! Note from a user
Hi, I was encouraged to leave my aoo forum post directly in the dev mailing list so that you all can read what I wanted to express. I am not a software developper in any sense--only a user. Dear developers, there may be little positive feedback for your work, I guess. So I created an account for the forum (and now subscribed temporarily to dev@aoo) to leave a big THANK YOU! The first version I used must have been something like StarOffice 4.3, the first I owned was SO 5.2, and then I shifted to OpenOffice(.org) when it introduced the XML file formats. So I am a convinced and longterm user since then and hardly ever regretted my decision. OpenOffice gave me the possibility to mostly do what I wanted to (with writer, base, calc, impress and draw - in that historic order) in an efficient way, and the only thing I don't like is, that it always tends towards following MS Office although it already was better in many ways. I understand that it is crucial to get as many users as possible, so I acknowledge the decisions towards MS Office. What I like most is the long term usability and stability, and I do not only keep my office files from more than 10 years ago, I also use and re-use them. And if one crashed in the past, I nearly always could recover them by opening the zip bundle with an (hex) editor. By that, I enjoyed the progress in LibreOffice, but didn't really need it. Although I switched to LibreOffice on some machines, I am always glad that there is OpenOffice, too. In my eyes, it is the more stable and efficient branch of the project. This year it was my fallback tool and salvation in a book project that I started with LO Writer; I first invested hours to get my pictures back to the place they belonged to when they got more and more (as others did decades before with MS Word) and then had to give up as it didn't open the file anymore without crashing. Apache OpenOffice (standard and portable) solved the problem. It got a nice book, by the way, for our church jubilee. So if you get the software maintained, I will probably continue to use OpenOffice for another 20 years. And I won't switch to DTP software (Scribus) for the next book project neither like I regularly do for magazines, brochures etc. OpenOffice is a great, great software, even if it didn't evolve much in the last years! (maybe even: because..) Powerful enough for both private and standard business use. Keep patience and persistance! A very satisfied and content user --- Die Bundesliga hat begonnen! Alle Tore, alle Ergebnisse, alle News: Pocket Liga jetzt im AppStore oder Google Play Store herunterladen - kostenlos!
Re: 4.1.4_release_blocker requested: [Issue 127147] RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time) that need to be added to exclude list
Am 09/29/2016 08:01 PM, schrieb Marcus: Am 09/29/2016 08:00 PM, schrieb bugzi...@apache.org: Marcus has asked for 4.1.4_release_blocker: Issue 127147: RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time) that need to be added to exclude list https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127147 @Ariel: As you are now the release mananger for 4.1.4, I'm writting to you. I would like to fix this issue: Then we have a clean and green RAT scan report. The risk is totally low as it is no code change but in the build tools only. Of course I would to the fix first in trunk and locally before committing to the new AOO414 branch. Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Writing up the release process
Am 10/14/2016 09:01 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Pedro wrote: Currently version 4.1.2 still reports that it "is up to date" I have added the your comment to the cwiki document. The change to the update script is usually done several days after the formal Release announcement so as to minimize the load on the mirrors. I confirm this is the case. I plan to update script data during the weekend. +1 In the past we have waited a longer time (IMHO 1 -2 weeks). But to get the good news out to the world fast, I would do an except here. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE COOKBOOK] Adding and structuring the content
Am 10/15/2016 10:44 AM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: On 10/15/2016 1:43 AM, Marcus wrote: Am 10/14/2016 12:11 AM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna: Marcus wrote: Am 10/13/2016 09:34 PM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Cook+a+Release You just need to add some text. Don't care about formatting or order. We will do this later when everything (hopefully ;-) ) is there. Hey, it's a great idea when you would coordinate the creation of this cookbook. Then you learn more about the whole process, can add opinions from your point of view, etc. What do you think? Great. Thanks Marcus. just to let you know: I've added a lot of stuff and added also some structure and formatting. But just to not loose the overview. ;-) Of course this doesn't mean that this structure has to be used. We are still free to change where it is necessary or looks better. I'm doing a little editing right now, and it looks good to me at least as an interim structure. great, for the moment I'm done. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE COOKBOOK] Adding and structuring the content
Am 10/15/2016 11:18 AM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt: I can see that the English press release is to be published in the blog. questions: -- 1. Is it really only published there? Is there no press distributor(*) at the ASF? (*) in german: "Presseverteiler" I pretty sure it was not only a blog post but also a mail to several press agencies and similar recipients. This is managed by Sally as current ASF press representative. To be sure you can ask her to get the answer you want. AFAIK we don't know these details. 2. Where will the translated press releases be published? Imho: in the wiki and they should be linked to the local pages (for example http://www.openoffice.org/en/) It depends on what we want. But the work done for the 4.1.3 announcements seems to me a good step forward to a solution. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE COOKBOOK] Adding and structuring the content
I can see that the English press release is to be published in the blog. questions: -- 1. Is it really only published there? Is there no press distributor(*) at the ASF? (*) in german: "Presseverteiler" 2. Where will the translated press releases be published? Imho: in the wiki and they should be linked to the local pages (for example http://www.openoffice.org/en/) Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: This can not be true
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > I have started a Wiki page on "How to Cook a Release", > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Co > ok+a+Release, > so that we will know everything that needs to be done and how > to do it. > That should reduce the risk of something important getting > missed. I'm > adding a section on Translations. yes I see. That's right so > What documents, other than the release notes and the press release, > should be translated? At the moment I know nothing more Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE COOKBOOK] Adding and structuring the content
On 10/15/2016 1:43 AM, Marcus wrote: Am 10/14/2016 12:11 AM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna: Marcus wrote: Am 10/13/2016 09:34 PM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Cook+a+Release You just need to add some text. Don't care about formatting or order. We will do this later when everything (hopefully ;-) ) is there. Hey, it's a great idea when you would coordinate the creation of this cookbook. Then you learn more about the whole process, can add opinions from your point of view, etc. What do you think? Great. Thanks Marcus. just to let you know: I've added a lot of stuff and added also some structure and formatting. But just to not loose the overview. ;-) Of course this doesn't mean that this structure has to be used. We are still free to change where it is necessary or looks better. I'm doing a little editing right now, and it looks good to me at least as an interim structure. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[RELEASE COOKBOOK] Adding and structuring the content
Am 10/14/2016 12:11 AM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna: Marcus wrote: Am 10/13/2016 09:34 PM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/How+to+Cook+a+Release You just need to add some text. Don't care about formatting or order. We will do this later when everything (hopefully ;-) ) is there. Hey, it's a great idea when you would coordinate the creation of this cookbook. Then you learn more about the whole process, can add opinions from your point of view, etc. What do you think? Great. Thanks Marcus. just to let you know: I've added a lot of stuff and added also some structure and formatting. But just to not loose the overview. ;-) Of course this doesn't mean that this structure has to be used. We are still free to change where it is necessary or looks better. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org