date:20140213

[FairfieldLife] Test: Can you spot the LIEs in this Judy Stein post?

2014-02-13 Thread TurquoiseBee

Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging Judy's 
projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's see who 
here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts recently. 
Here's the first example (full context below):

> Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person 
> suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"?

Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." 


Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I cited 
as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not my 
"therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our 
"sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually 
favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a 
longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist 
once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. 
( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was 
actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to 
see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on 
him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result 
refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal 
involvement with shrinks, from a patient
 POV. :-)

Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was 
intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in 
screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or 
describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes 
herself. 


I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She 
did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a 
therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted 
spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an 
accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring 
her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and 
"his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the 
phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most.

This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- 
intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or 
hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her 
own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 
12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses 
and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the 
phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. 


Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also 
been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and 
everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in 
which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something 
she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here 
several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes 
almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source 
verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on 
them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double 
quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, 
it's OK, and No Big Thing. 

*Just in this post* she does the same thing several times. Neither Steve nor 
Xeno used the words "kidding" or "just kidding" or suggested that I had said I 
was an "expert" on Judy Stein (I haven't). No one used the phrase "wound up." 
Yet Judy feels no problem with citing them as direct quotes, as if someone 
actually *had* used those words or phrases. 


Hypocrite. And LIAR. And I think everyone on this forum pretty much knows 
it...except Judy herself. 


Don't fall for her posturing as if she was the most honest person on FFL, or 
the only person who cares about accuracy or integrity. That's just another way 
that Judy pushes out her *real* argument, which is (in quotes to indicate 
dialog, not to indicate that she's actually said it in these words): "If you 
disagree with me, you are WRONG. If I 'correct' you on it and you persist in 
saying it, you're LYING." 


And all the while, the person saying this is one of the biggest LIARS on the 
forum...




 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's "The Following" as a treatise on NPD and 
psychopathy
 


  
I wonder why Barry assumes I never met R

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread salyavin808

Sweet. You forgot to mention the millions the TMO makes out of getting these 
guys to chant endless yagyas to supposedly improve the lives of rich 
westerners. Neo-imperialism, a charity it aint...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level.
 >
 So, let's review what we know:

 All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no unaccounted for 
 pundit boys in Vedic City, IA.

 Are we agreed so far?

 According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a stipend and 
 a free education, but they get free room and board in a place that by 
 comparison to where they came from, is a mansion. They probably all 
 get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to do is 
 meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread salyavin808

Sweet. You forgot to mention that the TMO makes millions out of keeping them 
away from home and chanting endless yagyas to supposedly make life better for 
wealthy westerners. Self-serving neo-imperialism - a charity it aint.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level.
 >
 So, let's review what we know:

 All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no unaccounted for 
 pundit boys in Vedic City, IA.

 Are we agreed so far?

 According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a stipend and 
 a free education, but they get free room and board in a place that by 
 comparison to where they came from, is a mansion. They probably all 
 get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to do is 
 meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread salyavin808


 Tricky Dicky strikes again, top form this morning.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 2/13/2014 5:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 > the whole concept stinks to high heaven.
 >
 Maybe we should just ban all religious ceremonies. I mean, who do those 
 Hindu Pundits think they are coming over here and burning all that punk 
 - they think that's going to send a message up to God? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread salyavin808

I had a girlfriend who suffered from monthly migraines (see if you can work 
that out) it was no laughing matter, it was 3-4 days in a dark room with a damp 
towel over her lovely little face, broke my heart it did. She paid a total of 
£40,000 on health yagyas to cure it.  

 I asked why she didn't ask for a refund after the first one failed but got the 
usual "it works at a level I'm not aware of" or, "there's too much stress in 
collective consciousness" or "at least the money goes to the best possible 
place" or "we're in the wrong yuga" Usual stuff.

 This is part of the Marshy genius, he creates a worldview that makes your 
experience of consciousness the most powerful thing that's happening in the 
world, not only for your own development but in changing the world for the 
better in every possible way. And if it doesn't work, the philosophy contains 
within it the reason why it doesn't work and it's the same reason you feel so 
good in the first place - the mechanics of stress release. Something good is 
happening. I wish I'd thought of it. Bloody amazing.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I know one initiator whose wife has a lot of health problems - he has paid the 
Movement thousands for health yagyas - ain't done shit. 

 On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:27 PM

 You really are an utterly shameless apologist.
 Luckily everyone else can read and understand and don't
 have to rely on your delusions. I might just try and add up
 the amount of money that people that just I know have spent
 on prayers performed by your schoolboys. I'll need a big
 calculator though...

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote:

 On 2/13/2014
 10:51 AM, geezerfreak@...
 wrote:
 > Precisely! Follow the
 money people, follow the money ...

 >

 He's dead, Geezer. What
 money?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread geezerfreak

Why ask me Richard? Ask the Srivastava/Varma clan. They have it ... ALL of it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread awoelflebater

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 When did Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Neal Patterson, Greg Wilson, King Tony 
Nader et al become Indians?

 Touche MJ.

 On Fri, 2/14/14, Richard J. Williams mailto:punditster@...> 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:17 AM

 On 2/13/2014 6:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

 > the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of
 the Indians

 >

 You are not even making any sense - the TMO people ARE
 Indians.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread Michael Jackson

Hagelin and Goldstein have both said there are 5% who are missing.

On Fri, 2/14/14, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 2:35 AM

   On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to
 this level.

  >

 So, let's review what we know:

 All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no
 unaccounted for 

 pundit boys in Vedic City, IA.

 Are we agreed so far?

 According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a
 stipend and 

 a free education, but they get free room and board in a
 place that by 

 comparison to where they came  from,  is a mansion. They
 probably all 

 get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to
 do is 

 meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread Michael Jackson

When did Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Neal Patterson, Greg Wilson, King Tony 
Nader et al become Indians?

On Fri, 2/14/14, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:17 AM

   On 2/13/2014 6:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

 > the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of
 the Indians

  >

 You are not even making any sense - the TMO people ARE
 Indians.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread Michael Jackson

How can you possibly think that Hindu religious practices constitutes any kind
of science? Your sheep must be producing lots of manure cause your thought
processes seem to be affected by snorting too much methane gas.

On Fri, 2/14/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:09 AM

What a bunch of ninnies. The pundit project is
scientific
research in consciousness. Based on experience observation
we got
hypothesis and testing going on. Have some fucking patience
for the
scientific process. As an investment for peace then science
and
basic research can take a lot of money. Think what
they spend on the engines of war. I feel it is
highly
worthwhile to see the pundit project through to its end.
Damn you and this
scurrilous FFL posting too as if it was any fact and
newsworthy; all
these deceiving anti-science folks and Geezer too for
starting this
thread too should be strung up by their you-know-whats. The
lack of
respect for professionalism here is appalling and so
unfair. It pisses
me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this
level.

The transcending meditative state: A unitive experience
that is
within the human ontology. It is awesome. The Unified
Field. It
should not be discounted that It is true. All we are
saying is let's give Peace a chance,-U.S. Buck in the Dome

More than 30
Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the
wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they
had picked up from a Chicago Indian
weekly.
Yep, Damned
Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their
sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism
and the
internet.-Buck
geezerfreak
posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/
LEnglish5 writes:
Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and
part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and
working conditions could be seen in the TV
footage:
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video

No news
article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue.
Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah
TV footage.

.
.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits

2014-02-13 Thread awoelflebater

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I suggest you go to one of the community colleges you are always yapping about 
Richie and take a reading comprehension course. Obviously Sal said the TMO is 
exploiting the Indians to give THEMSELVES a better life - i.e. the TMO people 
get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians - he didn't mean the pundits 
were coming here to get a better life in that sentence

 Don't jump on that particular "Ricky train". He just says shit and we have 
been advised not to take him seriously. He only takes himself seriously, very, 
very seriously, when he runs his schtick on us.

 On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:21 PM

 LOL, is that what they're doing, getting an
 education? Well spun, you should work in the TM press
 office.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote:

 On 2/13/2014
 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 > I find the idea of
 keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope 

 > of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly
 offensive.

 >

 There are probably a million foreign
 students living and working in the 

 U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of
 immigrants from 

 India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their
 religion and 

 their culture behind just because they want to get an
 education in the 

 US? Go figure.

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