Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread William Woods

Here is the pccard.conf entry:

# 3Com Fast Etherlink 3C574TX
card "3Com" "Megahertz 574B"
config  0x1 "ep0" ? 0x1
insert  echo 3Com Fast Etherlink 3C574B inserted
insert  /etc/pccard_ether ep0
remove  echo 3Com Fast Etherlink 

This is on a 3.4 -stable system


On 05-Jan-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> will andrews
> writes:
>: I am currently using a 3Com 3CCFE574BT with 4.0-CURRENT here. Mind you, that
>: is
> 
> What does your pccard.conf entry look like for it?
> 
> Warner


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> will andrews writes:
: I am currently using a 3Com 3CCFE574BT with 4.0-CURRENT here. Mind you, that is

What does your pccard.conf entry look like for it?

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Matthew N. Dodd" 
writes:
: Anyone know of a PCI Cardbus bridgeboard?  I'd rather not have to get a
: laptop just so I can play with cardbus.

I've seen two, both of which seem to be unavailable.  One is at a URL
that I've lost and the other was made by compaq and was available for
their desktop machines.  CDW used to carry this, but it is unavailable
now as well.  I'll have to dig up the URL that I've lost (it is in my
netscape history file, I'm sure) since they talked about availablities
after the first of the year which is why I blew them off before (it
was in October or so I was looking).  I'll send you something if I can
find it.

Warner


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank Mayhar writes:
: He's got both the card and the documentation, courtesy of Terry Murphy at
: 3Com and my efforts to that end.

Cool.

: > I have a 3CCFE575CT sitting here on my desk right now as a gentile
: > reminder to work on pccard/cardbus stuff :-).
: 
: Is that one that Matt sent you?  If so, that's the result of the same effort.
: Else Matt has one, too.

No.  FreeBSD Inc and/or Walnut creek bought mine.  I'll keep your name 
in mind if I need any docs for it.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread will andrews

On 05-Jan-00 William Woods wrote:
> ok, now...to get it working...
> 
> ideas?

I am currently using a 3Com 3CCFE574BT with 4.0-CURRENT here. Mind you, that is
4.0-CURRENT as of September 29, right before Matt Dodd's if_ep.c commit that
moved towards newcard implementation.

You will not be able to use it on any later version of 4.0-CURRENT as far as I
know. And I know it does not work with 3.3-RELEASE. You may have better luck
with 3.4-RELEASE, but I wouldn't know.

/me waits for Matt to fix if_ep *patiently* ;-)

I know it's coming soon. *twiddle thumbs*

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Matthew N. Dodd

On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Frank Mayhar wrote:
> > I have a 3CCFE575CT sitting here on my desk right now as a gentile
> > reminder to work on pccard/cardbus stuff :-).
> 
> Is that one that Matt sent you?  If so, that's the result of the same
> effort. Else Matt has one, too.

I offered him mine but he said he already had one.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Frank Mayhar

Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank Mayhar writes:
> : Wups, I thought I read 575BT.  But no, the 574BT doesn't work either; there's
> : a bug somewhere in the driver.  I have one of _those_, too, having read the
> : same thing you did.
> 
> Last I heard, Matt Dodd had or was waiting for a 574BT and pccard
> enviornment to fix the driver.

He's got both the card and the documentation, courtesy of Terry Murphy at
3Com and my efforts to that end.

> I have a 3CCFE575CT sitting here on my desk right now as a gentile
> reminder to work on pccard/cardbus stuff :-).

Is that one that Matt sent you?  If so, that's the result of the same effort.
Else Matt has one, too.
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Matthew N. Dodd

On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Warner Losh wrote:
> Last I heard, Matt Dodd had or was waiting for a 574BT and pccard
> enviornment to fix the driver.

I've got both a 574 and a 575.  I'm waiting on my PCIC ISA bridgeboard. :/

Anyone know of a PCI Cardbus bridgeboard?  I'd rather not have to get a
laptop just so I can play with cardbus.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Brad Knowles

At 11:59 PM -0700 2000/1/4, Warner Losh wrote:

>   I fear it will be Feb or Mar before I get to it at this rate
>  since I have little free time.  Consulting $$$ takes precidence over
>  freetime hacking...

I'm not one of the affected, but is there any chance a collection 
could be taken up to help fund this effort at a higher priority?  It 
seems to me that this is precisely the sort of thing that people 
might be willing pay some money for, and it wouldn't take too much 
money from too many people before this might start becoming 
potentially interesting.


On a related note, perhaps it might be interesting to start a 
list of FreeBSD projects that might affect relatively large numbers 
of people, but which are languishing due to lack of funds on the part 
of the people who are involved in the implementation process?

I don't have any money to just donate to causes like this [0], 
but I suspect that this is one of those things where we could allow 
people to contribute in a material fashion, other than either hacking 
on code or volunteering to be a guinea-pig and testing out code that 
had been hacked by someone else.  It would also allow people to get 
collections together for those things where a lot of people who would 
be materially impacted could get small-scale donations together and 
potentially have a large impact.

In fact, you could even get into corporate sponsors & paid 
support contracts, and potentially start generating some serious 
money that could be put to good uses.


Sorry if I'm re-opening any old wounds, or if this is something 
that's already being done.  However, if that's the case, I'd 
appreciate pointers to information on this.








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RE: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Jason Young


> You can pull rev. 1.87 of if_ep.c out of the Attic from cvsweb:
> 
>  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/isa/Attic/if_ep.c
> 
> And it will drop directly into your tree in /sys/i386/isa. 
> Make sure you
> have 1.23.2.1 or later of if_epreg.h.

Argh, I thought I was talking on the freebsd-stable list. You're going to
have to talk to Matt about this card in -current, since he's the maintainer
of the driver now. I might look into it later, but I stopped cvsupping my
laptop when the ep driver upheavals began for fear of losing connectivity
totally (never have gotten the modem to work).

The instructions I gave -will- get a 3.X box working, however
 
> The only major change of the patch is to hit the card with an 
> offset command
> if the no-offset commands don't work. I have no idea what its 
> significance
> is other than it's required to make my card work. I can't 
> remember where I
> got the basic idea from, it was from PAO I think.


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RE: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-05 Thread Jason Young


The card is also available in a 16-bit version (it has a PC Card logo on the
back, I don't know if the Cardbus one does or not). It's important to note
that the 575 (not the 574) is CardBus. I used to have one, but
semi-thankfully, it got blown up by lightning and the replacement was 16-bit
and thus usuable with FreeBSD.

If you actually have the 16-bit pccard version, then you need to patch your
driver. I sent in patches that got committed to 4.0, but were basically
replaced a month later by Matt Jacob's massive rework of the entire ep
driver and not MFC'd.

You can pull rev. 1.87 of if_ep.c out of the Attic from cvsweb:

 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/i386/isa/Attic/if_ep.c

And it will drop directly into your tree in /sys/i386/isa. Make sure you
have 1.23.2.1 or later of if_epreg.h.

The only major change of the patch is to hit the card with an offset command
if the no-offset commands don't work. I have no idea what its significance
is other than it's required to make my card work. I can't remember where I
got the basic idea from, it was from PAO I think.


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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards
> 
> 
> William Woods wrote:
> > I have two pcmcia cards here I am wondering if the work 
> under either -stable
> > or -current, they are:
> >  
> > 3COM Megahertz 10/100 LAN PC Card model #3CCFE574BT
> 
> This is a cardbus card (I have one, too) and won't work.  
> Many of us are
> eagerly awaiting Warner's new cardbus code.
> 
> > The other card is cardbus, so I doubt it but I will ask anyway
> > 
> > Adaptec SlimSCSI 1480A UltraSCSI
> 
> If it's cardbus, it won't work.
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods

ok, now...to get it working...

ideas?

On 05-Jan-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
>: slot is taller
> 
> Then it is a pccard.
> 
> Warner


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: slot is taller

Then it is a pccard.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods

slot is taller

On 05-Jan-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
>: *
>: **
>: 
>: is what I see
> 
> Which part is taller, the tab sticking out, or the slot sticking in?
> If the tab is taller, it is likely cardbus, otherwise pccard.  I
> suspect that the slot is taller since you don't have the row of bumps
> on the card.
> 
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: *
: **
: 
: is what I see

Which part is taller, the tab sticking out, or the slot sticking in?
If the tab is taller, it is likely cardbus, otherwise pccard.  I
suspect that the slot is taller since you don't have the row of bumps
on the card.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods

*
**

is what I see


On 05-Jan-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
>: Not near the laptop right now to get a dumpcis for you, but I have the card
>: here, 
>: 
>: it doesnt look like either...it is like this
>: 
>: **
>: **
>: **
> 
> Are you sure?  Both the right and left sides have a key to prevent low 
> voltage only cards from being plugged into a non-low voltage
> supporting socket.  The key is divided into approx 1/3rds  For a high
> voltage card, the bottom 1/3 is present and the top 2/3rds are
> missing.  IF you have a known pccard around, it is easy to see the
> difference when held side by side.
> 
> Warner
> 
> 
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Josef Grosch

On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 11:05:57PM -0800, William Woods wrote:
> 
> >: 3COM Megahertz 10/100 LAN PC Card model #3CCFE574BT
> > 
> > If this is the cardbus version, no.  If it is the pccard version then
> > yes.  We've received reports of this same model number being used for
> > both the pccard and cardbus.
> 
> So, how do I tell if its pccard or cardbus? Got some way for me to test it?

Look at the business end of the card. Do you see a row of bumps the card?
If you do, then you are holding a CardBus. If you do not see the row of
bumps then you have a pccard.


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mikhail A. Sokolov" writes:
: But not that my card was recongnized 2 days ago. It's 10mbit/56K,
: probably 574{,B}. ep0 in OpenBSD and in old PAO.

Odd.  Did you get the following failure:
Unit failed to come ready or product ID unknown (id 0x%x)?
and if so, what was the ID?

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: Not near the laptop right now to get a dumpcis for you, but I have the card
: here, 
: 
: it doesnt look like either...it is like this
: 
: **
: **
: **

Are you sure?  Both the right and left sides have a key to prevent low 
voltage only cards from being plugged into a non-low voltage
supporting socket.  The key is divided into approx 1/3rds  For a high
voltage card, the bottom 1/3 is present and the top 2/3rds are
missing.  IF you have a known pccard around, it is easy to see the
difference when held side by side.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Mikhail A. Sokolov

On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:19:13AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
# In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mikhail A. Sokolov" writes:
# : And what about 3cxem556b? When somebody already asked some time ago, I looked
# : through archives to no avail of information. It worked splendid on 2.2.7-pao ;)
# 
# What's a 3cxem556b?  It looks like the -current sources identify it
# and make efforts to support it.  Looks like a combo card version of
# the 574 or 574B.

But not that my card was recongnized 2 days ago. It's 10mbit/56K,
probably 574{,B}. ep0 in OpenBSD and in old PAO.
 
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods

Not near the laptop right now to get a dumpcis for you, but I have the card
here, 

it doesnt look like either...it is like this

**
**
**

On 05-Jan-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
>: > Hold on.  Lemme try something here
>: > 
>: > 1) Physical inspection.  The cardbus cards have a row of dots on the
>: >top side of the card right next to the connectors for the
>: >pccard/cardbus bus for better grounding and are often copper in
>: >color.
>: 
>: Nope, no row of dots or anything similar.
> 
> Does plugging it in and doing a pccardc dumpcis reveal anything.
> 
> Also if you look at the pccard/cardbus bus end, is the connector on
> the right look like:
> 
>   *
>   **
>   **
> 
> or does it look like
> 
>   *
>   *
>   **
> 
> The above is a 3.3V card and generally means that it is cardbus
> (although there are some low voltage 3.3V pccards out there and the
> nomads list produced some patches for them a short time ago).
> 
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> 
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mikhail A. Sokolov" writes:
: And what about 3cxem556b? When somebody already asked some time ago, I looked
: through archives to no avail of information. It worked splendid on 2.2.7-pao ;)

What's a 3cxem556b?  It looks like the -current sources identify it
and make efforts to support it.  Looks like a combo card version of
the 574 or 574B.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Mikhail A. Sokolov

And what about 3cxem556b? When somebody already asked some time ago, I looked
through archives to no avail of information. It worked splendid on 2.2.7-pao ;)
OpenBSD 2.6, which I have to use now isn't a solution due to it being OpenBSD.


On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:03:15AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
# In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank Mayhar writes:
#: Wups, I thought I read 575BT.  But no, the 574BT doesn't work either; there's
# : a bug somewhere in the driver.  I have one of _those_, too, having read the
# : same thing you did.
# 
# Last I heard, Matt Dodd had or was waiting for a 574BT and pccard
# enviornment to fix the driver.
# 
# I have a 3CCFE575CT sitting here on my desk right now as a gentile
# reminder to work on pccard/cardbus stuff :-).
# 
# Warner
 

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: > Hold on.  Lemme try something here
: > 
: > 1) Physical inspection.  The cardbus cards have a row of dots on the
: >top side of the card right next to the connectors for the
: >pccard/cardbus bus for better grounding and are often copper in
: >color.
: 
: Nope, no row of dots or anything similar.

Does plugging it in and doing a pccardc dumpcis reveal anything.

Also if you look at the pccard/cardbus bus end, is the connector on
the right look like:

*
**
**

or does it look like

*
*
**

The above is a 3.3V card and generally means that it is cardbus
(although there are some low voltage 3.3V pccards out there and the
nomads list produced some patches for them a short time ago).

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods


> Hold on.  Lemme try something here
> 
> 1) Physical inspection.  The cardbus cards have a row of dots on the
>top side of the card right next to the connectors for the
>pccard/cardbus bus for better grounding and are often copper in
>color.

Nope, no row of dots or anything similar.


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: So, how do I tell if its pccard or cardbus? Got some way for me to test it?

Hold on.  Lemme try something here

1) Physical inspection.  The cardbus cards have a row of dots on the
   top side of the card right next to the connectors for the
   pccard/cardbus bus for better grounding and are often copper in
   color.

2) pccardc dumpcis
   This gives me one tuple that is 0xff.

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods


>: 3COM Megahertz 10/100 LAN PC Card model #3CCFE574BT
> 
> If this is the cardbus version, no.  If it is the pccard version then
> yes.  We've received reports of this same model number being used for
> both the pccard and cardbus.

So, how do I tell if its pccard or cardbus? Got some way for me to test it?


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank Mayhar writes:
: Wups, I thought I read 575BT.  But no, the 574BT doesn't work either; there's
: a bug somewhere in the driver.  I have one of _those_, too, having read the
: same thing you did.

Last I heard, Matt Dodd had or was waiting for a 574BT and pccard
enviornment to fix the driver.

I have a 3CCFE575CT sitting here on my desk right now as a gentile
reminder to work on pccard/cardbus stuff :-).

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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: I thought I read in the mailing list that the 3COM did work..

There are two different versions of the 3ccfe574.  One is cardbus and
one is pccard, although the pccard may be 3c574.  At
least that's what the conclusion was when this came up in the past.

Warner


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods

Man, this is getting depressing, all these goodies for Christmass and NADA
workie, well, I assume that -current they are working on the driver for the
574BT right and eventually it will work.

On a side note, how does your laptop like -current? I am going to run it on a
Thinkpad 770E



On 05-Jan-00 Frank Mayhar wrote:
> William Woods wrote:
>> I thought I read in the mailing list that the 3COM did work..
> 
> Wups, I thought I read 575BT.  But no, the 574BT doesn't work either; there's
> a bug somewhere in the driver.  I have one of _those_, too, having read the
> same thing you did.
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Warner Losh

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> William Woods writes:
: I have two pcmcia cards here I am wondering if the work under either -stable
: or -current, they are:
:  
: 3COM Megahertz 10/100 LAN PC Card model #3CCFE574BT

If this is the cardbus version, no.  If it is the pccard version then
yes.  We've received reports of this same model number being used for
both the pccard and cardbus.

: The other card is cardbus, so I doubt it but I will ask anyway
: 
: Adaptec SlimSCSI 1480A UltraSCSI

Nope.  It is waiting on cardbus support, which is waiting on cardbus
bridge support of cardbus and pccard which is waiting on pccard
connection to pccard bridge, which is what I'm working on right now
:-)  I fear it will be Feb or Mar before I get to it at this rate
since I have little free time.  Consulting $$$ takes precidence over
freetime hacking...

Warner


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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Frank Mayhar

William Woods wrote:
> I thought I read in the mailing list that the 3COM did work..

Wups, I thought I read 575BT.  But no, the 574BT doesn't work either; there's
a bug somewhere in the driver.  I have one of _those_, too, having read the
same thing you did.
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread William Woods

I thought I read in the mailing list that the 3COM did work..


On 05-Jan-00 Frank Mayhar wrote:
> William Woods wrote:
>> I have two pcmcia cards here I am wondering if the work under either -stable
>> or -current, they are:
>>  
>> 3COM Megahertz 10/100 LAN PC Card model #3CCFE574BT
> 
> This is a cardbus card (I have one, too) and won't work.  Many of us are
> eagerly awaiting Warner's new cardbus code.
> 
>> The other card is cardbus, so I doubt it but I will ask anyway
>> 
>> Adaptec SlimSCSI 1480A UltraSCSI
> 
> If it's cardbus, it won't work.
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Re: A couple questions regarding pcmcia cards....

2000-01-04 Thread Frank Mayhar

William Woods wrote:
> I have two pcmcia cards here I am wondering if the work under either -stable
> or -current, they are:
>  
> 3COM Megahertz 10/100 LAN PC Card model #3CCFE574BT

This is a cardbus card (I have one, too) and won't work.  Many of us are
eagerly awaiting Warner's new cardbus code.

> The other card is cardbus, so I doubt it but I will ask anyway
> 
> Adaptec SlimSCSI 1480A UltraSCSI

If it's cardbus, it won't work.
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