Re: one password for mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Thanks.  1Password looks great, and like the right overall choice for Mac and 
iOS.  A touch expensive, but the Wi-Fi sync feature alone is worth it.  I’m not 
going with LastPass because (1) LogMeIn owns it and (2) let’s be honest, it’s 
lock-in.  And it turns out that KeePass for iOS isn’t official and only 
supports cloud storage.

The 1Password data storage location for folder sync can be managed, and it 
performs regular backups.  The OPVault format is the cross-platform way to get 
the data out.  I don’t think the SQLite database is meant to be manipulated.

Yeah, going to have some fun with this. :)

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Dora Speck]

Wait, what book is this?

Dora Speck

[Sent from my iPhone]

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Amazon
> 
>> On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching 
>> to a blind computer user,
>> So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written 
>> specifically for Voiceover users 
>> 
>> Show me another book like this that's as cheap.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
>> creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be 
>> very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were 
>> told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  
>> And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have 
>> everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a 
>> book about home improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About 
>> cooking or gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no 
>> reason that this should be any different.
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
>>> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
 
  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?
 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>> 
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
>> and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>> 
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>> 
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> 
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
>>> financially able or not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
 have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
 The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and 
 I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Amazon

On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching 
> to a blind computer user,
> So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written 
> specifically for Voiceover users 
> 
> Show me another book like this that's as cheap.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
> creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be 
> very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were 
> told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  
> And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have 
> everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a 
> book about home improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About 
> cooking or gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no 
> reason that this should be any different.
> Donna
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
>> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
>
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
> and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>
> DFTBA!
>
> John D. Lipsey
>
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>
> Twitter: @J_TGL
>
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
>> financially able or not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
>>> have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
>>> The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and 
>>> I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, 

RE: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Simon Fogarty]

I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching to 
a blind computer user,
So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written specifically 
for Voiceover users 

Show me another book like this that's as cheap.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be very 
happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were told that 
we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  And unless 
you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have everything 
handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a book about home 
improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About cooking or 
gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no reason that 
this should be any different.
Donna
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
> sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
 and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
 something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
 prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
 tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. Lipsey
 
 mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
 
 Twitter: @J_TGL
 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
> financially able or not.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to 
>> have a free option to share with my assistive technology class. 
>> The instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and 
>> I was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>> people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows 

Weird problem in Keynote

[Mitchell Smith]

Hi list,

I am having a pretty serious problem I was hoping someone might be
able to help me with.

I was giving a presentation today using Keynote when I noticed some
very strange symptoms.

I open my slide deck and click play on the toolbar, I can interact
with the current slide, but as soon as I navigate to the next slide
VoiceOver refuses to interact with that slide.  It will read the slide
title, but I can't interact with it to read the slide content.


I have used this same slide deck, same version of keynote and same
version of VoiceOver several times in the past with no issues, so I
have no idea what might have changed to cause this problem.

I restored the slide deck from backup and even tried a different slide
deck, same issue.

I checked in app store under updates and nothing has changed in the
ast 30 days, and I gave this same presentation two weeks ago with no
problems.

This is Keynote 6.6.1 on OSX 10.11.3 on a 13" Macbook Air.

Any suggestions on what I can try would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Marsedit Creating Headings

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

thanks
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Bill Dengler  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I prefer to write my blog posts in Markdown (requires the Jetpack 
> plugin to be installed on the Wordpress server and the markdown service 
> enabled).
> To make headings :
> #This is a heading
> ##This is a level 2 heading
> ###This is a level 3 heading
> 
> Bill
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I was trying not to write in HTML. I know there are headers in the menus of 
>> Marsedit, just cannot figure out how to use them.
>> Thanks for the HTML example!
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Carter Temm  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> If you are using the html editor, its easy. First though, go to mars edit 
>>> preferences, then editor, and make sure html editor is selected.
>>> Get to the place where you would like to insert a heading, and type the 
>>> following:
>>> my heading name
>>> In this example, my heading name is the name of the heading. Make sure to 
>>> close off the html tag with  when you are done
>>> You can use heading level numbers all the way up to 6. Sof another example, 
>>> to create a heading level 2, you would just type the following:
>>> heading
>>> thanks
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Hi:
 How do you create headings for your blog in Marsedit?
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
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Re: Custom Voice Settings

[E.T.]

   You need to download the Infovox Manager. This will manage the 
voices, download, install, activate etc. You get a 30 day trial for any 
voice.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 6:33 PM, Tony wrote:

Hi,
Where can I get these voices, and how do I get them to run on my mac?
Thank you.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 8:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Custom Voice Settings

 Yes they are.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 4:44 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries wrote:

cool are they info vox voices





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Re: Marsedit Creating Headings

[Bill Dengler]

Personally, I prefer to write my blog posts in Markdown (requires the Jetpack 
plugin to be installed on the Wordpress server and the markdown service 
enabled).
To make headings :
#This is a heading
##This is a level 2 heading
###This is a level 3 heading

Bill
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> I was trying not to write in HTML. I know there are headers in the menus of 
> Marsedit, just cannot figure out how to use them.
> Thanks for the HTML example!
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Carter Temm  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> If you are using the html editor, its easy. First though, go to mars edit 
>> preferences, then editor, and make sure html editor is selected.
>> Get to the place where you would like to insert a heading, and type the 
>> following:
>> my heading name
>> In this example, my heading name is the name of the heading. Make sure to 
>> close off the html tag with  when you are done
>> You can use heading level numbers all the way up to 6. Sof another example, 
>> to create a heading level 2, you would just type the following:
>> heading
>> thanks
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> How do you create headings for your blog in Marsedit?
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Jonathan Cohn]

The most likely suspects are TImeMachine if you have it enabled, and do not 
have the backup disk connected.
Bittorrent clients.

In any case, I love to use du 

the command 
cd / du -s * | sort -n | tail - 20 

While this command will take a while to run it should give you the directories 
that are the 20 largest.

Take care,
Jonathan 

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 18:29, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Another option might be Clean My Mac.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:23 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Appreciate it but as you said Onix does not seem to do what I am trying
>> to do as I installed it earlier and it seemed to do everything except
>> tell you what is taking up space, and unfortunately disk utility which
>> you would think would tell you what is taking up space on your computer
>> does not do that. This is mind boggling as there is next to nothing in
>> my music photos downloads or documents and applications yet the drive is
>> 84% full with only 6 gigs free so I am assuming it is something in the
>> services folder that should not be there but I cannot find it very
>> strange. Thanks,
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Seyoon Choi >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is the link to download from Mac update.
>>> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11582/onyx
>>> Also if you are willing to see what’s taking up most disk storage
>>> space disk utility might do the job. Onyx is more gear towards file
>>> optimization and disk cleanup.
>>> Hope it helps,
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Seyoon Choi
>>> syc20...@gmail.com 
>>> YouTube Video Content Producer
>>> Head of Blindinsider
>>> www.blindinsider.com 
>>> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
>>> impaired
>>> 
 On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Brian Fischler > wrote:
 
 Unfortunately I could not find the program you mentioned and just
 bought one that of course does not work with VO, so back to ground
 zero here so if anyone knows of an accessible program that will tell
 you what is taking up space on your computer do let me know just
 something basic as this is getting ridiculous as it should not be
 this hard and take this long to find out what is taking up space on a
 mac. Ridiculous that you even have to get a third party program to do
 this.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There is a program called Drive Pulse.
> I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
> I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if
> you don’t want to search on google yourself.
> /A
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes,
>> emptying the trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do
>> on cnet and macworld or one of those sites.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash?
>>> I would look at that first.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much
 on it but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue
 what is taking up so much space. Does anyone know of an
 accessible program that will analyze your hard drive and tell you
 what is taking up so much space. I was surprised to learn they
 suggest a third party program to do this, and there are a ton of
 them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is
 appreciated. Thanks,
 
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Re: Marsedit Creating Headings

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I was trying not to write in HTML. I know there are headers in the menus of 
Marsedit, just cannot figure out how to use them.
Thanks for the HTML example!
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Carter Temm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> If you are using the html editor, its easy. First though, go to mars edit 
> preferences, then editor, and make sure html editor is selected.
> Get to the place where you would like to insert a heading, and type the 
> following:
> my heading name
> In this example, my heading name is the name of the heading. Make sure to 
> close off the html tag with  when you are done
> You can use heading level numbers all the way up to 6. Sof another example, 
> to create a heading level 2, you would just type the following:
> heading
> thanks
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> How do you create headings for your blog in Marsedit?
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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RE: Custom Voice Settings

[Tony]

Hi, 
Where can I get these voices, and how do I get them to run on my mac?
Thank you.
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On Behalf Of E.T.
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Subject: Re: Custom Voice Settings

Yes they are.

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On 2/29/2016 4:44 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> cool are they info vox voices
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Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[Karen Lewellen]

You are most welcome.
Be alert for a private invitation  to the bookshare discussion list. 
Others  there who are not members here are ready to lend ideas.

Kare


On Mon, 29 Feb 2016, Cristina Hartmann wrote:


Thanks Karen and Anders. I appreciate the input.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Anders Holmberg 
wrote:


Hi!
No you???re right about that.
The brailliant is a display only not a notetaker.
/A

On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:32, Cristina Hartmann 
wrote:

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like my Humanware Braille Bi 40 has
storage. It doesn't accept SD cards as far as I can tell. (Nothing in the
manual indicates that it can, but i could be wrong.) I'll keep snooping
around, though. Thanks!

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:


   If your braille display has storage (SD card etc), you can download
the brf formatted books and transfer them to the display's storage and read
them directly that way.

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On 2/29/2016 1:16 PM, Cristina Hartmann wrote:


Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution that would work for mobile as I
don't like to read books at my computer. (Bookshare's website offers a
download file specifically for refreshable braille reader, but as I
mentioned, I hate being stuck at my computer for leisure reading.)

Thanks for the idea of VoiceDream, though. I'll have to investigate that.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM, > wrote:

I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure
how it will work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS
might

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cristina Hartmann
>
wrote:

Hi all,


I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the
associated technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm
probably goofing something up.

I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare
membership. I want to read the books in braille as I am hearing
impaired, so I hate listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare
Read2Go app, but I find the app clunky and difficult to use on the
braille display. For example, some pretty basic commands, such as
"scroll page down" doesn't work with the Brailliant.

I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille
readers on the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.

Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable
braille reader? Or am I missing some tips?

Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.

Best,
Cristina

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

On 3/1/2016 2:14 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for 
> your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. 
> Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do 
> an awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
>> distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
>> you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
>> so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same 
>> list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you 
>> never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you 
>> have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? 
>> I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no 
>> way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to 
>> work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be 
>> getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't 
>> get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their 
>> time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and 
>> only charge $15 p
er hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, 
which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it 
would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than 
reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will 
gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not 
pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan 
for yet another awesome book. 
>> Aleeha Dudley 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
 why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>>
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
>> producing this guide,
>>
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>>
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
>
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for 
your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. 
Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do an 
awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
> distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
> you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
> so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list 
> as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never 
> had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have 
> one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I 
> should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way 
> you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work 
> one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one 
> because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. 
> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and 
> hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 
> per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This 
> book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over 
> what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than 
> reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will 
> gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will 
> not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and 
> Jonathan for yet another awesome book. 
> Aleeha Dudley 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
>>> why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>> 
>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
 need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
 
> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
> anything to you or your family?
> 
> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
> this guide,
> 
> They've worked hard to put it together,
> 
> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
> beneficial knowledge.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
 or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 

Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[Cristina Hartmann]

Thanks Karen and Anders. I appreciate the input.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> No you’re right about that.
> The brailliant is a display only not a notetaker.
> /A
>
> On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:32, Cristina Hartmann 
> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like my Humanware Braille Bi 40 has
> storage. It doesn't accept SD cards as far as I can tell. (Nothing in the
> manual indicates that it can, but i could be wrong.) I'll keep snooping
> around, though. Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
>>If your braille display has storage (SD card etc), you can download
>> the brf formatted books and transfer them to the display's storage and read
>> them directly that way.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 1:16 PM, Cristina Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution that would work for mobile as I
>>> don't like to read books at my computer. (Bookshare's website offers a
>>> download file specifically for refreshable braille reader, but as I
>>> mentioned, I hate being stuck at my computer for leisure reading.)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the idea of VoiceDream, though. I'll have to investigate that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM, >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure
>>> how it will work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS
>>> might
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cristina Hartmann
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,

 I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the
 associated technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm
 probably goofing something up.

 I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare
 membership. I want to read the books in braille as I am hearing
 impaired, so I hate listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare
 Read2Go app, but I find the app clunky and difficult to use on the
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Re: Custom Voice Settings

[E.T.]

   Yes they are.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 4:44 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries wrote:

cool are they info vox voices



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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

hahaha

On 3/1/2016 12:42 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with 
> these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried 
> to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us 
> how great thievery is
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral 
>> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with 
>> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it 
>> too.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Aleeha,
>>>
>>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>>>
>>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>>> you until the very end through this mess.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>>
>>>
>>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>>> awesome book.
>>> Aleeha Dudley
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:

 I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
 asks. Contact me if you want it.

> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>
> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>>
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>>> producing this guide,
>>>
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>>>
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>>
 On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you 

Re: Custom Voice Settings

['Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries]

cool are they info vox voices

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with 
these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried 
to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us 
how great thievery is


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. 
> The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like 
> this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>> 
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
 
 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

 

Don't do me any favors Jason. Your offer has a taint to it.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
>> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>> 
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
 anything to you or your family?
 
 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
 this guide,
 
 They've worked hard to put it together,
 
 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
 with VoiceOver
 
 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
 freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
 beneficial knowledge.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>> 
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>> 
>>> DFTBA!
>>> 
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>> 
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
 which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
 able or not.
 
 
> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> 

Re: Custom Voice Settings

[E.T.]

   For OS X.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 2:18 PM, 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries wrote:

cool is that for iOS?



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Re: Facebook's new reactions

[Vaughn Brown]

Yes, OK, I use this site, too. So far I have not found any way of
using this new feature. I'll let you know if I do.
Vaughn

On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> I'm not talking about the app.  I'm talking about the mobile web site at:
>
> http://m.facebook.com
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vaughn Brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Facebook's new reactions
>
>
> Yes, you can swipe pass the like on the iPhone app to get to the reactions.
> Vaughn
>
> On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>> I'm really curious.  Do these reactions work on the FB mobile site as
>> well?
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Andrew Lamanche
>>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>   Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:12 PM
>>   Subject: Re: Facebook's new reactions
>>
>>
>>   They seem to work for me on my mac.  I vo+spacebar on the like button
>> and
>> then vo+down arrow through the choices.  They also seem to appear in a
>> toolbar after the like button when you vo+spacebar on the like button.
>>
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:15, Krister Ekstrom 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> The reactions work in that you can actually add them to a post
>> accessibly but there seems to be no way of seeing what those emoji
>> actually
>> are, so if someone reacts on a post that you follow or have made
>> yourself,
>> it doesn’t look as if you can see what they’ve actually done.
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>>   29 feb. 2016 kl. 08:40 skrev Ben J. Bloomgren
>> :
>>
>>
>>   Hey all,
>>
>>   I saw this article on Twitter about these new reaction emoji that
>> Facebook has added to the like button. I hadn't heard anything about it,
>> so
>> I tried it. Indeed, it worked on my iPhone. I haven't tried it on the mac
>> yet, as the article indicates that one would hover with the mouse over
>> it.
>> What are your experiences on iOS and OSX with this?
>>
>>   Here's the article:
>>
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-new-like-provide-data-2016-2
>>
>>   Ben
>>
>>
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Those who got a free copy will benefit a lot from this book also. Nobody
will starve or die by freely sharing this book.

On 2/29/2016 11:15 PM, E.T. wrote:
>It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral
> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with
> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with
> it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>>
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>>
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>>
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
>
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>>
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Chris Gilland]

fair enough. Your point is taken. And I do agree. enough said. Everybody have a 
blessed day.

Chris.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 18:15, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. 
> The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like 
> this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>> 
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
 
 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> 

Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[E.T.]

   Another option might be Clean My Mac.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 3:23 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Appreciate it but as you said Onix does not seem to do what I am trying
to do as I installed it earlier and it seemed to do everything except
tell you what is taking up space, and unfortunately disk utility which
you would think would tell you what is taking up space on your computer
does not do that. This is mind boggling as there is next to nothing in
my music photos downloads or documents and applications yet the drive is
84% full with only 6 gigs free so I am assuming it is something in the
services folder that should not be there but I cannot find it very
strange. Thanks,

On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Seyoon Choi > wrote:

Here is the link to download from Mac update.
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11582/onyx
Also if you are willing to see what’s taking up most disk storage
space disk utility might do the job. Onyx is more gear towards file
optimization and disk cleanup.
Hope it helps,

Best,
Seyoon Choi
syc20...@gmail.com 
YouTube Video Content Producer
Head of Blindinsider
www.blindinsider.com 
Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
impaired


On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Brian Fischler > wrote:

Unfortunately I could not find the program you mentioned and just
bought one that of course does not work with VO, so back to ground
zero here so if anyone knows of an accessible program that will tell
you what is taking up space on your computer do let me know just
something basic as this is getting ridiculous as it should not be
this hard and take this long to find out what is taking up space on a
mac. Ridiculous that you even have to get a third party program to do
this.

On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:

Hi!
There is a program called Drive Pulse.
I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if
you don’t want to search on google yourself.
/A

On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler > wrote:

I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes,
emptying the trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do
on cnet and macworld or one of those sites.

On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T. > wrote:

Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash?
I would look at that first.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey all,

Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much
on it but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue
what is taking up so much space. Does anyone know of an
accessible program that will analyze your hard drive and tell you
what is taking up so much space. I was surprised to learn they
suggest a third party program to do this, and there are a ton of
them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is
appreciated. Thanks,



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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

Appreciate it but as you said Onix does not seem to do what I am trying to do 
as I installed it earlier and it seemed to do everything except tell you what 
is taking up space, and unfortunately disk utility which you would think would 
tell you what is taking up space on your computer does not do that. This is 
mind boggling as there is next to nothing in my music photos downloads or 
documents and applications yet the drive is 84% full with only 6 gigs free so I 
am assuming it is something in the services folder that should not be there but 
I cannot find it very strange. Thanks,
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Seyoon Choi  wrote:
> 
> Here is the link to download from Mac update.
> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11582/onyx 
> 
> Also if you are willing to see what’s taking up most disk storage space disk 
> utility might do the job. Onyx is more gear towards file optimization and 
> disk cleanup.
> Hope it helps,
> 
> Best,
> Seyoon Choi
> syc20...@gmail.com 
> YouTube Video Content Producer
> Head of Blindinsider
> www.blindinsider.com 
> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually 
> impaired
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately I could not find the program you mentioned and just bought one 
>> that of course does not work with VO, so back to ground zero here so if 
>> anyone knows of an accessible program that will tell you what is taking up 
>> space on your computer do let me know just something basic as this is 
>> getting ridiculous as it should not be this hard and take this long to find 
>> out what is taking up space on a mac. Ridiculous that you even have to get a 
>> third party program to do this.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> There is a program called Drive Pulse.
>>> I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
>>> I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if you don’t 
>>> want to search on google yourself.
>>> /A
 On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler > wrote:
 
 I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying 
 the trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and 
 macworld or one of those sites.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
> look at that first.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it 
>> but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is 
>> taking up so much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that 
>> will analyze your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much 
>> space. I was surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do 
>> this, and there are a ton of them but not sure which one may be 
>> accessible. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks,
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[E.T.]

   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral 
compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with 
people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with 
it too.


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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Aleeha,

I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.

I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
you until the very end through this mess.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
Mac with VoiceOver


That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
awesome book.
Aleeha Dudley

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.


On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?

so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life

On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.


On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
worth anything to you or your family?

I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
producing this guide,

They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
the Mac with VoiceOver

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
other than sharing beneficial knowledge.


On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

 You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?


On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.


On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author 

Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Seyoon Choi]

Here is the link to download from Mac update.
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11582/onyx 

Also if you are willing to see what’s taking up most disk storage space disk 
utility might do the job. Onyx is more gear towards file optimization and disk 
cleanup.
Hope it helps,

Best,
Seyoon Choi
syc20...@gmail.com
YouTube Video Content Producer
Head of Blindinsider
www.blindinsider.com
Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually impaired

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately I could not find the program you mentioned and just bought one 
> that of course does not work with VO, so back to ground zero here so if 
> anyone knows of an accessible program that will tell you what is taking up 
> space on your computer do let me know just something basic as this is getting 
> ridiculous as it should not be this hard and take this long to find out what 
> is taking up space on a mac. Ridiculous that you even have to get a third 
> party program to do this.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> There is a program called Drive Pulse.
>> I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
>> I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if you don’t 
>> want to search on google yourself.
>> /A
>>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying 
>>> the trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and 
>>> macworld or one of those sites.
 On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
 look at that first.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it 
> but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking 
> up so much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will 
> analyze your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I 
> was surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and 
> there are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any 
> advice is appreciated. Thanks,
> 
 
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Where did my iCloud Drive go?

[Jenine Stanley]

My question is probably better stated as where did the stuff on my iCloud Drive 
go? 

I had to change my Apple ID recently and after signing out of iCloud on my MBP, 
I made the change and signed back in, thinking for sure that the next time I 
looked for something on the iCloud Drive, all the stuff would still be there. 

It’s not appearing there. The folders and files that were there prior to me 
signing out are indeed still there as I can see them on my iPhone but there 
seems to be nothing on the MBP. 

If anyone can explain where it went and how to get it to appear again, I’ll be 
eternally grateful. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

Unfortunately I could not find the program you mentioned and just bought one 
that of course does not work with VO, so back to ground zero here so if anyone 
knows of an accessible program that will tell you what is taking up space on 
your computer do let me know just something basic as this is getting ridiculous 
as it should not be this hard and take this long to find out what is taking up 
space on a mac. Ridiculous that you even have to get a third party program to 
do this.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There is a program called Drive Pulse.
> I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
> I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if you don’t 
> want to search on google yourself.
> /A
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
>> trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld 
>> or one of those sites.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
>>> look at that first.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
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 but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking 
 up so much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will 
 analyze your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I 
 was surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and 
 there are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any 
 advice is appreciated. Thanks,
 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aleeha,

I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could agree 
more with you, if someone asked me to do so.


I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You cannot 
know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support you until 
the very end through this mess.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver



That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same 
list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you 
never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you 
have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? 
I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no 
way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to 
work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be 
getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't 
get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their 
time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and 
only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS 
certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information, 
costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I 
find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book 
at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to 
right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. 
Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book.

Aleeha Dudley

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.


On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?


so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life

On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.


On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
anything to you or your family?


I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
producing this guide,


They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw

Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
Mac with VoiceOver


Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
sharing beneficial knowledge.



On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

 You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

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On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.


On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
knowledge.


Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Aleeha Dudley]

That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, you 
said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done so. 
Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same list as 
the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you never had a 
job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have 
you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? I should be so 
lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no way you can 
understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and 
expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your 
talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. Wouldn't that 
upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, energy and hard work. I 
train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and only charge $15 per hour for that 
training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless 
contains several hours of information, costs just over what it would to get two 
hours of training from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will 
probably purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information 
from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I 
can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome 
book. 
Aleeha Dudley 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
>> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>> 
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
 anything to you or your family?
 
 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
 this guide,
 
 They've worked hard to put it together,
 
 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
 with VoiceOver
 
 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
 freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
 beneficial knowledge.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>> 
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>> grand scheme 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[John D. Lipsey]

Congratulations on that, I guess.

As much as I enjoy free information, I’m going to go buy a copy of the book 
sometime before this week is out. Finding the time to sit down and delve into 
it is going to be the tricky part.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:17, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've
> already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks
> to everybody who reached out.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your
>> message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy
>> of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well
>> as to Anne Robertson.
>> 
>> Smooth move, XLax!
>> 
>> Never mind my sarcasm.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. 
>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>> 
>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
 
 There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
 need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
 
 On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
> worth anything to you or your family?
> 
> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
> producing this guide,
> 
> They've worked hard to put it together,
> 
> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
> the Mac with VoiceOver
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other
> than sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>> true?
>> 
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
 together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
 that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
 or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
 something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful
 knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
 prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
 tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. 

Re: Custom Voice Settings

[E.T.]

   Too bad. Well its easy enough to change them on the fly.

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On 2/29/2016 2:11 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Not from what i am aware of.
All voices use the same setting.
I agree though that this would be really nifty as i am reading much faster with 
the swedish voice than the english one.
/A

On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:03, E.T.  wrote:

   I added some voices today and am curious to know if each voice can have its 
own settings. Seems they use the same values for volume, pitch, rate etc.

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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



   She will not let me share that. (smiles)

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On 2/29/2016 1:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

No worries.  Let us know how you make out.

Actually on second thought, don't tell us about your love life.  O wait,
just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist.  But seriously though, do let
us know how AHP works out for ya.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



   Just installed Audio Hijack and it seems accessible. Will tackle
the manual and see how far I get.

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On 2/29/2016 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

E.T,

Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been
able to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much
help there. I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This 
said,

unless they've changed things, which I don't think they have, in the
past, it worked, so I see no reason why you couldn't get it to record
things in the new version as you're needing to do.

Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover
speech as well as record your mike at the same time.

Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app
through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line
IN." What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input 
device

through any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your
mike through your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where
your mike is now audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the
input to capture from all system audio.  Because of the fact that line
in is feeding the audio being picked up by your mike back out your
internal system sound, Piezo would not only now hear Voiceover and what
not, but it also would hear your mike, thereby recording both.  That
would be another way you could do it, if you want to use Piezo.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would
either of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.

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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, 
but

it does work.

Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 
days,
it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't 
want

to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about
screenflow
is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound 
input
you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record 
all

system audio, which would include Voiceover.

So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, 
and

the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by
Screenflow
in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
accomplished.

Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
tricky.

Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac
through
my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
the software side of things.

Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know 
if

you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
might be handy. Thanks.

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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark 

Re: recording from the 'net

[E.T.]

   She will not let me share that. (smiles)

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On 2/29/2016 1:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

No worries.  Let us know how you make out.

Actually on second thought, don't tell us about your love life.  O wait,
just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist.  But seriously though, do let
us know how AHP works out for ya.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



   Just installed Audio Hijack and it seems accessible. Will tackle
the manual and see how far I get.

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On 2/29/2016 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

E.T,

Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been
able to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much
help there. I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This said,
unless they've changed things, which I don't think they have, in the
past, it worked, so I see no reason why you couldn't get it to record
things in the new version as you're needing to do.

Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover
speech as well as record your mike at the same time.

Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app
through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line
IN." What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input device
through any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your
mike through your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where
your mike is now audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the
input to capture from all system audio.  Because of the fact that line
in is feeding the audio being picked up by your mike back out your
internal system sound, Piezo would not only now hear Voiceover and what
not, but it also would hear your mike, thereby recording both.  That
would be another way you could do it, if you want to use Piezo.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would
either of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.

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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
it does work.

Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about
screenflow
is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
system audio, which would include Voiceover.

So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by
Screenflow
in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
accomplished.

Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
tricky.

Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac
through
my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
the software side of things.

Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
might be handy. Thanks.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select
your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in

Re: Custom Voice Settings

['Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries]

cool is that for iOS?

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've
already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks
to everybody who reached out.

On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your
> message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy
> of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well
> as to Anne Robertson.
> 
> Smooth move, XLax!
> 
> Never mind my sarcasm.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
> Mac with VoiceOver
> 
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. 
>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
 worth anything to you or your family?

 I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
 producing this guide,

 They've worked hard to put it together,

 And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
 Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
 the Mac with VoiceOver

 Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
 book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other
 than sharing beneficial knowledge.

 On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>
>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
> true?
>
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw 
 wrote:

 This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
 Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
 which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
 able or not.


 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com 

Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks so much I will search for it as I found a program called omni focus but 
not sure if it either is not totally accessible or what but it was a loss, not 
sure why this is so complicated as last I checked there was nothing on this 
computer. Thinking my downcast pods got downloaded or something like that
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There is a program called Drive Pulse.
> I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
> I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if you don’t 
> want to search on google yourself.
> /A
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
>> trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld 
>> or one of those sites.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
>>> look at that first.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it 
 but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking 
 up so much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will 
 analyze your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I 
 was surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and 
 there are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any 
 advice is appreciated. Thanks,
 
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Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Cristina,
While I cannot give you a direct answer, I have posted your question to 
the bookshare discussion list.

I will share the answers provided.
Kare


On Mon, 29 Feb 2016, Cristina Hartmann wrote:


Hi all,

I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the associated
technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm probably goofing
something up.

I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare membership. I
want to read the books in braille as I am hearing impaired, so I hate
listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare Read2Go app, but I find the app
clunky and difficult to use on the braille display. For example, some
pretty basic commands, such as "scroll page down" doesn't work with the
Brailliant.

I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille readers on
the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.

Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable braille
reader? Or am I missing some tips?

Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.

Best,
Cristina

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Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No you’re right about that.
The brailliant is a display only not a notetaker.
/A
> On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:32, Cristina Hartmann  
> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like my Humanware Braille Bi 40 has storage. 
> It doesn't accept SD cards as far as I can tell. (Nothing in the manual 
> indicates that it can, but i could be wrong.) I'll keep snooping around, 
> though. Thanks! 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:21 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
>If your braille display has storage (SD card etc), you can download the 
> brf formatted books and transfer them to the display's storage and read them 
> directly that way.
> 
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> On 2/29/2016 1:16 PM, Cristina Hartmann wrote:
> Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution that would work for mobile as I
> don't like to read books at my computer. (Bookshare's website offers a
> download file specifically for refreshable braille reader, but as I
> mentioned, I hate being stuck at my computer for leisure reading.)
> 
> Thanks for the idea of VoiceDream, though. I'll have to investigate that.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM,  
> >> wrote:
> 
> I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure
> how it will work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS might
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cristina Hartmann
>  
> >>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the
> associated technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm
> probably goofing something up.
> 
> I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare
> membership. I want to read the books in braille as I am hearing
> impaired, so I hate listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare
> Read2Go app, but I find the app clunky and difficult to use on the
> braille display. For example, some pretty basic commands, such as
> "scroll page down" doesn't work with the Brailliant.
> 
> I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille
> readers on the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.
> 
> Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable
> braille reader? Or am I missing some tips?
> 
> Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.
> 
> Best,
> Cristina
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Re: Custom Voice Settings

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not from what i am aware of.
All voices use the same setting.
I agree though that this would be really nifty as i am reading much faster with 
the swedish voice than the english one.
/A
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There is a program called Drive Pulse.
I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if you don’t 
want to search on google yourself.
/A
> On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
> trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld 
> or one of those sites.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
>> look at that first.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it but 
>>> all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking up so 
>>> much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will analyze 
>>> your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I was 
>>> surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and there 
>>> are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is 
>>> appreciated. Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Walking directions in the United States

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Apple Watch can also be used to control BlindSquare's Audio Menu:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/quick-tip-controlling-blindsquare-gps-now-playing-glance-apple-watch

Best, Ilkka

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Cristina Hartmann <
cristina.hartm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if you have an Apple Watch, but if you do, you can supplement
> BlindSquare with it. It gives you tactile turning directions (2 vibrates
> for right, 10 for left). It also vibrates in a different pattern when you
> arrive at your destination. You have to use this in conjunction with Apple
> Maps.
>
> Molly Watts, a deafblind woman in the UK, writes a bit about this feature:
> http://www.mollywatt.com/blog/entry/my-apple-watch-after-5-days
>
> Good luck with your interview!
>
> Best,
> Cristina
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Feliciano Godoy <
> theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BlindSquare plus Google maps is great.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Feliciano
>> For tech tips and updates,
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>> > On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
>> >
>> > ben,
>> >
>> > since you have both blind square and navigon use them together
>> > start blind square and make your trip with useing your current location
>> as the start, and your appointment place as the distination.
>> > then when you tell b s the next move it will ask you what app it will
>> see on your device and choose navigon
>> > now navigon will open and it will do it’s thing and when you walk you
>> will get the turns from navigon and you will get all the intersection info
>> and all the b s info at the same time.
>> > this is why i have different voices for my divice and blind square so
>> when on the road you can tell which is telling you what.
>> >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ben, Sendero has a product that’s not bad that’s like $70 yearly or
>> something in that range.  They also have a free around me app.
>> >>
>> >> The included Apple Maps app is very usable and regardless of any app,
>> congrats on the interview and I’m pulling for you to get the gig.
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <
>> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a job interview coming up this week, and I need to do some
>> practice so that I can know where I'm going. Once I get into the area,
>> however, I would like to know which app you guys prefer for obtaining
>> walking directions. Under android, I used an app called nearby explorer. It
>> works splendidly. I have blind square, nava gone, Apple Maps, Google maps,
>> and Waze. I have used BlindSquare before with great results, but I need to
>> be very sure of what I'm receiving. What would you guys recommend?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your message, 
and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy of your mail 
and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well as to Anne 
Robertson.


Smooth move, XLax!

Never mind my sarcasm.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Shaw" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
with VoiceOver



I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.

On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?


so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life

On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.

On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
anything to you or your family?


I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
producing this guide,


They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw

Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
Mac with VoiceOver


Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
sharing beneficial knowledge.


On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:

  Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

  You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?

On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:

I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful 
knowledge.


Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
tried to charge that much for this knowledge.

That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL

On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  
wrote:


This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have
a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I
was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   

Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

Ok, I got Onix but I think it does everything except what I need it to do as I 
am looking for a program that will tell me what is taking up so much space on 
this computer as there should not be much on it so something is wrong. Thanks,
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 3:37 PM, syc20...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Check what's taking op the most storage "going in to about this Mac. One 
> utility that I recommend to clean up disk space is Onix. Try Googleing and 
> you could easly find about it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
>> trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld 
>> or one of those sites.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
>>> look at that first.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it 
 but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking 
 up so much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will 
 analyze your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I 
 was surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and 
 there are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any 
 advice is appreciated. Thanks,
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.

On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
> 
> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>> anything to you or your family?
>>>
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>>> this guide,
>>>
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver
>>>
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>>> beneficial knowledge.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
 maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
 if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
 you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
 true?

 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>
>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>
>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>
>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>
>> DFTBA!
>>
>> John D. Lipsey
>>
>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>>> able or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
 a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
 instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
 was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.

 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 




 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:

Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most 

Re: Walking directions in the United States

[Cristina Hartmann]

I don't know if you have an Apple Watch, but if you do, you can supplement
BlindSquare with it. It gives you tactile turning directions (2 vibrates
for right, 10 for left). It also vibrates in a different pattern when you
arrive at your destination. You have to use this in conjunction with Apple
Maps.

Molly Watts, a deafblind woman in the UK, writes a bit about this feature:
http://www.mollywatt.com/blog/entry/my-apple-watch-after-5-days

Good luck with your interview!

Best,
Cristina

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

> BlindSquare plus Google maps is great.
>
> Regards,
> Feliciano
> For tech tips and updates,
> LIKE ..facebook.com/theblindman12v
> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>
> > On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
> >
> > ben,
> >
> > since you have both blind square and navigon use them together
> > start blind square and make your trip with useing your current location
> as the start, and your appointment place as the distination.
> > then when you tell b s the next move it will ask you what app it will
> see on your device and choose navigon
> > now navigon will open and it will do it’s thing and when you walk you
> will get the turns from navigon and you will get all the intersection info
> and all the b s info at the same time.
> > this is why i have different voices for my divice and blind square so
> when on the road you can tell which is telling you what.
> >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ben, Sendero has a product that’s not bad that’s like $70 yearly or
> something in that range.  They also have a free around me app.
> >>
> >> The included Apple Maps app is very usable and regardless of any app,
> congrats on the interview and I’m pulling for you to get the gig.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <
> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I have a job interview coming up this week, and I need to do some
> practice so that I can know where I'm going. Once I get into the area,
> however, I would like to know which app you guys prefer for obtaining
> walking directions. Under android, I used an app called nearby explorer. It
> works splendidly. I have blind square, nava gone, Apple Maps, Google maps,
> and Waze. I have used BlindSquare before with great results, but I need to
> be very sure of what I'm receiving. What would you guys recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Ben
> >>>
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Re: Facebook's new reactions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm not talking about the app.  I'm talking about the mobile web site at:

http://m.facebook.com

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughn Brown" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Facebook's new reactions


Yes, you can swipe pass the like on the iPhone app to get to the reactions.
Vaughn

On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
I'm really curious.  Do these reactions work on the FB mobile site as 
well?


Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Andrew Lamanche
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Facebook's new reactions


  They seem to work for me on my mac.  I vo+spacebar on the like button 
and

then vo+down arrow through the choices.  They also seem to appear in a
toolbar after the like button when you vo+spacebar on the like button.

On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:15, Krister Ekstrom 
wrote:


Hi,
The reactions work in that you can actually add them to a post
accessibly but there seems to be no way of seeing what those emoji 
actually

are, so if someone reacts on a post that you follow or have made yourself,
it doesn’t look as if you can see what they’ve actually done.
/Krister


  29 feb. 2016 kl. 08:40 skrev Ben J. Bloomgren
:


  Hey all,

  I saw this article on Twitter about these new reaction emoji that
Facebook has added to the like button. I hadn't heard anything about it, 
so

I tried it. Indeed, it worked on my iPhone. I haven't tried it on the mac
yet, as the article indicates that one would hover with the mouse over it.
What are your experiences on iOS and OSX with this?

  Here's the article:


http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-new-like-provide-data-2016-2

  Ben



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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

They will.  that shouldn't be an issue.

Chris.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: recording from the 'net


  I don't mind the watermark as long as Facebook  accepts the videos. 


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  On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:59 PM -0800, "E.T."  
wrote:


Just installed Audio Hijack and it seems accessible. Will tackle the 
manual and see how far I get.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> E.T,
>
> Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been
> able to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much
> help there. I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This said,
> unless they've changed things, which I don't think they have, in the
> past, it worked, so I see no reason why you couldn't get it to record
> things in the new version as you're needing to do.
>
> Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover
> speech as well as record your mike at the same time.
>
> Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app
> through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line
> IN." What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input device
> through any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your
> mike through your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where
> your mike is now audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the
> input to capture from all system audio.  Because of the fact that line
> in is feeding the audio being picked up by your mike back out your
> internal system sound, Piezo would not only now hear Voiceover and what
> not, but it also would hear your mike, thereby recording both.  That
> would be another way you could do it, if you want to use Piezo.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: recording from the 'net
>
>
>> Chris,
>>While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I
>> looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would
>> either of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.
>>
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>> On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
>>> tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
>>> it does work.
>>>
>>> Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
>>> with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
>>> it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
>>> to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
>>> is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
>>> you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
>>> system audio, which would include Voiceover.
>>>
>>> So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
>>> happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
>>> the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
>>> watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
>>> in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
>>> accomplished.
>>>
>>> Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
>>> combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
>>> tricky.
>>>
>>> Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
>>> my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
>>> the software side of things.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
>>> you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: recording from the 'net
>>>
>>>
 Chris,
Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
 planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
 might be handy. Thanks.

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 On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
> Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
> input source as Safari, or whatever browser 

Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No worries.  Let us know how you make out.

Actually on second thought, don't tell us about your love life.  O wait, 
just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't resist.  But seriously though, do let us 
know how AHP works out for ya.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net


   Just installed Audio Hijack and it seems accessible. Will tackle the 
manual and see how far I get.


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On 2/29/2016 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

E.T,

Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been
able to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much
help there. I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This said,
unless they've changed things, which I don't think they have, in the
past, it worked, so I see no reason why you couldn't get it to record
things in the new version as you're needing to do.

Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover
speech as well as record your mike at the same time.

Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app
through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line
IN." What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input device
through any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your
mike through your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where
your mike is now audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the
input to capture from all system audio.  Because of the fact that line
in is feeding the audio being picked up by your mike back out your
internal system sound, Piezo would not only now hear Voiceover and what
not, but it also would hear your mike, thereby recording both.  That
would be another way you could do it, if you want to use Piezo.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would
either of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.

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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
it does work.

Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
system audio, which would include Voiceover.

So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by 
Screenflow

in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
accomplished.

Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
tricky.

Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac 
through

my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
the software side of things.

Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
might be handy. Thanks.

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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select 
your

input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.
It'll be
in 

Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[Cristina Hartmann]

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like my Humanware Braille Bi 40 has storage.
It doesn't accept SD cards as far as I can tell. (Nothing in the manual
indicates that it can, but i could be wrong.) I'll keep snooping around,
though. Thanks!

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:21 PM, E.T.  wrote:

>If your braille display has storage (SD card etc), you can download the
> brf formatted books and transfer them to the display's storage and read
> them directly that way.
>
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> On 2/29/2016 1:16 PM, Cristina Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution that would work for mobile as I
>> don't like to read books at my computer. (Bookshare's website offers a
>> download file specifically for refreshable braille reader, but as I
>> mentioned, I hate being stuck at my computer for leisure reading.)
>>
>> Thanks for the idea of VoiceDream, though. I'll have to investigate that.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM, > > wrote:
>>
>> I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure
>> how it will work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS might
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cristina Hartmann
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the
>>> associated technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm
>>> probably goofing something up.
>>>
>>> I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare
>>> membership. I want to read the books in braille as I am hearing
>>> impaired, so I hate listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare
>>> Read2Go app, but I find the app clunky and difficult to use on the
>>> braille display. For example, some pretty basic commands, such as
>>> "scroll page down" doesn't work with the Brailliant.
>>>
>>> I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille
>>> readers on the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.
>>>
>>> Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable
>>> braille reader? Or am I missing some tips?
>>>
>>> Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Cristina
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Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[E.T.]

   If your braille display has storage (SD card etc), you can download 
the brf formatted books and transfer them to the display's storage and 
read them directly that way.


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On 2/29/2016 1:16 PM, Cristina Hartmann wrote:

Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution that would work for mobile as I
don't like to read books at my computer. (Bookshare's website offers a
download file specifically for refreshable braille reader, but as I
mentioned, I hate being stuck at my computer for leisure reading.)

Thanks for the idea of VoiceDream, though. I'll have to investigate that.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM, > wrote:

I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure
how it will work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS might

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cristina Hartmann
>
wrote:


Hi all,

I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the
associated technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm
probably goofing something up.

I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare
membership. I want to read the books in braille as I am hearing
impaired, so I hate listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare
Read2Go app, but I find the app clunky and difficult to use on the
braille display. For example, some pretty basic commands, such as
"scroll page down" doesn't work with the Brailliant.

I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille
readers on the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.

Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable
braille reader? Or am I missing some tips?

Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.

Best,
Cristina

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Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[Cristina Hartmann]

Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution that would work for mobile as I
don't like to read books at my computer. (Bookshare's website offers a
download file specifically for refreshable braille reader, but as I
mentioned, I hate being stuck at my computer for leisure reading.)

Thanks for the idea of VoiceDream, though. I'll have to investigate that.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM,  wrote:

> I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure how it
> will work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS might
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Cristina Hartmann <
> cristina.hartm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the associated
> technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm probably goofing
> something up.
>
> I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare membership. I
> want to read the books in braille as I am hearing impaired, so I hate
> listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare Read2Go app, but I find the app
> clunky and difficult to use on the braille display. For example, some
> pretty basic commands, such as "scroll page down" doesn't work with the
> Brailliant.
>
> I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille readers
> on the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.
>
> Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable braille
> reader? Or am I missing some tips?
>
> Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Cristina
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Re: Facebook's new reactions

[Vaughn Brown]

Yes, you can swipe pass the like on the iPhone app to get to the reactions.
Vaughn

On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> I'm really curious.  Do these reactions work on the FB mobile site as well?
>
> Chris.
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Andrew Lamanche
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:12 PM
>   Subject: Re: Facebook's new reactions
>
>
>   They seem to work for me on my mac.  I vo+spacebar on the like button and
> then vo+down arrow through the choices.  They also seem to appear in a
> toolbar after the like button when you vo+spacebar on the like button.
>
> On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:15, Krister Ekstrom 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> The reactions work in that you can actually add them to a post
> accessibly but there seems to be no way of seeing what those emoji actually
> are, so if someone reacts on a post that you follow or have made yourself,
> it doesn’t look as if you can see what they’ve actually done.
> /Krister
>
>
>   29 feb. 2016 kl. 08:40 skrev Ben J. Bloomgren
> :
>
>
>   Hey all,
>
>   I saw this article on Twitter about these new reaction emoji that
> Facebook has added to the like button. I hadn't heard anything about it, so
> I tried it. Indeed, it worked on my iPhone. I haven't tried it on the mac
> yet, as the article indicates that one would hover with the mouse over it.
> What are your experiences on iOS and OSX with this?
>
>   Here's the article:
>
>   http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-new-like-provide-data-2016-2
>
>   Ben
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Re: recording from the 'net

[d . prater]

I don't mind the watermark as long as Facebook  accepts the videos. 

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:59 PM -0800, "E.T."  
wrote:










Just installed Audio Hijack and it seems accessible. Will tackle the 
manual and see how far I get.

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On 2/29/2016 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> E.T,
>
> Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been
> able to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much
> help there. I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This said,
> unless they've changed things, which I don't think they have, in the
> past, it worked, so I see no reason why you couldn't get it to record
> things in the new version as you're needing to do.
>
> Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover
> speech as well as record your mike at the same time.
>
> Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app
> through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line
> IN." What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input device
> through any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your
> mike through your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where
> your mike is now audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the
> input to capture from all system audio.  Because of the fact that line
> in is feeding the audio being picked up by your mike back out your
> internal system sound, Piezo would not only now hear Voiceover and what
> not, but it also would hear your mike, thereby recording both.  That
> would be another way you could do it, if you want to use Piezo.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: recording from the 'net
>
>
>> Chris,
>>While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I
>> looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would
>> either of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.
>>
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>> On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
>>> tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
>>> it does work.
>>>
>>> Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
>>> with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
>>> it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
>>> to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
>>> is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
>>> you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
>>> system audio, which would include Voiceover.
>>>
>>> So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
>>> happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
>>> the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
>>> watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
>>> in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
>>> accomplished.
>>>
>>> Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
>>> combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
>>> tricky.
>>>
>>> Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
>>> my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
>>> the software side of things.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
>>> you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: recording from the 'net
>>>
>>>
 Chris,
Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
 planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
 might be handy. Thanks.

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 On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
> Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
> input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
> app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
> audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
> Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.
> It'll be
> in 

Custom Voice Settings

[E.T.]

   I added some voices today and am curious to know if each voice can 
have its own settings. Seems they use the same values for volume, pitch, 
rate etc.


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Re: recording from the 'net

[E.T.]

   Just installed Audio Hijack and it seems accessible. Will tackle the 
manual and see how far I get.


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On 2/29/2016 11:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

E.T,

Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been
able to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much
help there. I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This said,
unless they've changed things, which I don't think they have, in the
past, it worked, so I see no reason why you couldn't get it to record
things in the new version as you're needing to do.

Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover
speech as well as record your mike at the same time.

Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app
through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line
IN." What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input device
through any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your
mike through your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where
your mike is now audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the
input to capture from all system audio.  Because of the fact that line
in is feeding the audio being picked up by your mike back out your
internal system sound, Piezo would not only now hear Voiceover and what
not, but it also would hear your mike, thereby recording both.  That
would be another way you could do it, if you want to use Piezo.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would
either of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.

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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
it does work.

Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
system audio, which would include Voiceover.

So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
accomplished.

Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
tricky.

Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
the software side of things.

Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
might be handy. Thanks.

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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.
It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How

Re: Best Way to Read Bookshare Books on a Refershable Braille Reader?

[syc20099]

I would try Bookshare web reader on the Mac although I am not sure how it will 
work with braille display. VoiceDream reader for iOS might 

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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the associated 
> technology in general, so please bear with me. I'm probably goofing something 
> up.
> 
> I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare membership. I want 
> to read the books in braille as I am hearing impaired, so I hate listening to 
> books. I'm using the Bookshare Read2Go app, but I find the app clunky and 
> difficult to use on the braille display. For example, some pretty basic 
> commands, such as "scroll page down" doesn't work with the Brailliant. 
> 
> I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille readers on 
> the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop. 
> 
> Has anyone found a good way to use Bookshare with a refreshable braille 
> reader? Or am I missing some tips?
> 
> Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.
> 
> Best,
> Cristina 
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks will check out Onux. Going in to about this mac just tells you generally 
how much of your hard drive is taken up it does not break anything down.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 3:37 PM, syc20...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Check what's taking op the most storage "going in to about this Mac. One 
> utility that I recommend to clean up disk space is Onix. Try Googleing and 
> you could easly find about it. 
> 
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>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
>> trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld 
>> or one of those sites.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
>>> look at that first.
>>> 
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 On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it 
 but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking 
 up so much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will 
 analyze your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I 
 was surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and 
 there are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any 
 advice is appreciated. Thanks,
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[syc20099]

Check what's taking op the most storage "going in to about this Mac. One 
utility that I recommend to clean up disk space is Onix. Try Googleing and you 
could easly find about it. 

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> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
> trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld 
> or one of those sites.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
>> look at that first.
>> 
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>>> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it but 
>>> all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking up so 
>>> much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will analyze 
>>> your hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I was 
>>> surprised to learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and there 
>>> are a ton of them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is 
>>> appreciated. Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes, emptying the 
trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do on cnet and macworld or 
one of those sites.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I would 
> look at that first.
> 
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> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it but 
>> all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking up so 
>> much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will analyze your 
>> hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I was surprised to 
>> learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and there are a ton of 
>> them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is appreciated. 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Screenflow is admittedly quite pricey, but it's definitely worth it, and it's 
fairly accessible for making a simple video with both your system audio 
including Voiceover, as well as your microphone of choice.

If you want to then edit the video, I'm nhot sure how accessible that would be. 
 Last I checked, it didn't look all that doable.  You might have to take the 
video into IMovie to do things like that, but as far as just simply recording 
goes?  That much is 100% doable.

Chris.

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  Subject: Re: recording from the 'net


  I'll definitely check out screen flow, as it mixes well with what I'd 
originally intended to do with Hijack and Piezo anyways, lol.


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  On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:16 AM -0800, "E.T."  
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Chris,
While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I 
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would either 
of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.

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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
> tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
> it does work.
>
> Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
> with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
> it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
> to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
> is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
> you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
> system audio, which would include Voiceover.
>
> So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
> happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
> the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
> watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
> in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
> accomplished.
>
> Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
> combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
> tricky.
>
> Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
> my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
> the software side of things.
>
> Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
> you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: recording from the 'net
>
>
>> Chris,
>>Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
>> planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
>> might be handy. Thanks.
>>
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>> On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
>>> Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
>>> input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
>>> app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
>>> audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
>>> Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
>>> in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
>>> under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
>>> should be right there.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
>>> Subject: recording from the 'net
>>>
>>>
 Hi,
 I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
 go about this-which app would work?

 The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

 thanks,
 Caitlyn

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Re: skype recorder

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Vaughn,

I'm thinking that Audio Hijack is in the app store.  I apologize.  I'm not 
in front of my mac right this second where I can look.  If you don't find it 
though, let us know, and I'll try to get you a direct link later this 
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- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughn Brown" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: skype recorder


Hi everyone,

Thank you for your imput. Chris, this is the $29 I'm working with on
call recorder for Skype. Where can I get the highjack? That may be a
little easier for the recording of Skype conversations. I'm willing to
try both.

Vaughn

On 2/29/16, Seyoon Choi  wrote:
The only thing is that the company no longer sells older version of Hijack 
I

believe, I could be wrong about this. The only difficult part about Hijack
is setting up a audio block, but with Vo it’s completely accessible, and
they do provide you with several templates to choose from, which also
includes Vo-IP apps like Skype. The Hijack Pro 2 is not really meant to 
work

on OS X version higher than 10.10 Yosemite so the compatibility might be
reduced than newer Hijack v3, but both versions could probably do the job.
It’s heck of a lot better than other cheep Skype recorders out there.
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Head of Blindinsider
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On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:

Hi,
Audio hijack 2 is not really that bad to setup. Hijack 3 has the block
library, but 2 just has a selection list. I also believe hijack 2 has
a skype session by default providing you have skype already installed.
thanks

On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
Audio hijack can record Skype, but it's a pain in the kneck to set up, 
in

my

not so humble opinion.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: skype recorder



One that I recommend is Audio Hyjack. It doesn't record Skype but it
could

be used to record other audios comming out of Mac and it's accessible.
The

only downside is that it's paid, though it's worth a purchase once you
have it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Vaughn Brown 
wrote:

Hi Ray,

I found it and downloaded the demo. But it doesn't look accessible.
None of the buttons are labeled. Your thoughts?
Vaughn


On 2/28/16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
You might try "call recorder for Skype.  Not in the app store so
you'll

have
to Google it.


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Hello folks,

I am looking to start podcasting by interviewing musicians. I
installe
Skype and now wanting to hear feedback on a recorder for Skype. I
heard of one simplied called "Skype Recorder" but wanted to check
for
accessible Skype recordeing software.

Thank you folks, and have a nice day.
Vaughn

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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

E.T,

Audio hijack definitely will do the job, but I'm sorry.  I haven't been able 
to figure out its new interface, so I probably won't be of much help there. 
I'd rather just be up front with you about that.  This said, unless they've 
changed things, which I don't think they have, in the past, it worked, so I 
see no reason why you couldn't get it to record things in the new version as 
you're needing to do.


Piezo is great, but I don't think it'll natively record your voiceover 
speech as well as record your mike at the same time.


Now, one thing you could! do to maybe ghet around that is to get an app 
through the app store, which by the way, is totally free, called "Line IN." 
What this app basically does is to let you monitor any input device through 
any output device.  So in other words, you could monitor your mike through 
your internal audio.  Then, once you've done that, where your mike is now 
audible, then, you'd load up Piezo.  You'd set the input to capture from all 
system audio.  Because of the fact that line in is feeding the audio being 
picked up by your mike back out your internal system sound, Piezo would not 
only now hear Voiceover and what not, but it also would hear your mike, 
thereby recording both.  That would be another way you could do it, if you 
want to use Piezo.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I looked 
for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would either of these 
do the job? Don't need anything fancy.


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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
it does work.

Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
system audio, which would include Voiceover.

So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
accomplished.

Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
tricky.

Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
the software side of things.

Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
might be handy. Thanks.

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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll 
be

in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: Facebook's new reactions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm really curious.  Do these reactions work on the FB mobile site as well?

Chris.

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  From: Andrew Lamanche 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Facebook's new reactions


  They seem to work for me on my mac.  I vo+spacebar on the like button and 
then vo+down arrow through the choices.  They also seem to appear in a toolbar 
after the like button when you vo+spacebar on the like button.

On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:15, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:


Hi,
The reactions work in that you can actually add them to a post accessibly 
but there seems to be no way of seeing what those emoji actually are, so if 
someone reacts on a post that you follow or have made yourself, it doesn’t look 
as if you can see what they’ve actually done.
/Krister


  29 feb. 2016 kl. 08:40 skrev Ben J. Bloomgren :


  Hey all,

  I saw this article on Twitter about these new reaction emoji that 
Facebook has added to the like button. I hadn't heard anything about it, so I 
tried it. Indeed, it worked on my iPhone. I haven't tried it on the mac yet, as 
the article indicates that one would hover with the mouse over it. What are 
your experiences on iOS and OSX with this?

  Here's the article:

  http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-new-like-provide-data-2016-2

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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

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   Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash? I 
would look at that first.


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Hey all,

Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much on it but all 
of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking up so much 
space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will analyze your hard 
drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I was surprised to learn 
they suggest a third party program to do this, and there are a ton of them but 
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Scott Granados]

Just use the du command.  It’s a unix command that is available under the hood 
in terminal.  If you need some examples of how to use it from your command 
prompt type “man du” with out the quotes.  This will display a man or manual 
page.  You can use this on the whole disk or sub directories and it’s very 
scriptable.

Hope that helps.

Thanks
Scott

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> 
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> much space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will analyze your 
> hard drive and tell you what is taking up so much space. I was surprised to 
> learn they suggest a third party program to do this, and there are a ton of 
> them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is appreciated. 
> Thanks,
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Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Brian Fischler]

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of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue what is taking up so much 
space. Does anyone know of an accessible program that will analyze your hard 
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Re: skype recorder

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, I was able to use the older version of AHJP back when you created 
sessions, but ever since they changed it, I can't get my head around it.  Maybe 
I'm just stupid though.  LOL! :)

Chris.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: skype recorder


  The only thing is that the company no longer sells older version of Hijack I 
believe, I could be wrong about this. The only difficult part about Hijack is 
setting up a audio block, but with Vo it’s completely accessible, and they do 
provide you with several templates to choose from, which also includes Vo-IP 
apps like Skype. The Hijack Pro 2 is not really meant to work on OS X version 
higher than 10.10 Yosemite so the compatibility might be reduced than newer 
Hijack v3, but both versions could probably do the job. It’s heck of a lot 
better than other cheep Skype recorders out there.

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  Head of Blindinsider
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impaired


On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:


Hi,
Audio hijack 2 is not really that bad to setup. Hijack 3 has the block
library, but 2 just has a selection list. I also believe hijack 2 has
a skype session by default providing you have skype already installed.
thanks

On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

  Audio hijack can record Skype, but it's a pain in the kneck to set up, in 
my

  not so humble opinion.

  Chris.

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  From: 
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:48 AM
  Subject: Re: skype recorder



One that I recommend is Audio Hyjack. It doesn't record Skype but it 
could

be used to record other audios comming out of Mac and it's accessible. 
The

only downside is that it's paid, though it's worth a purchase once you
have it.

Sent from my iPhone


  On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Vaughn Brown 
  wrote:

  Hi Ray,

  I found it and downloaded the demo. But it doesn't look accessible.
  None of the buttons are labeled. Your thoughts?
  Vaughn


On 2/28/16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
You might try "call recorder for Skype.  Not in the app store so 
you'll

have
to Google it.


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  On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Vaughn Brown 
  wrote:

  Hello folks,

  I am looking to start podcasting by interviewing musicians. I 
installe
  Skype and now wanting to hear feedback on a recorder for Skype. I
  heard of one simplied called "Skype Recorder" but wanted to check 
for
  accessible Skype recordeing software.

  Thank you folks, and have a nice day.
  Vaughn

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Hi all,

I'm pretty new to the refreshable braille reader and the associated
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something up.

I have a Humanware Brailliant Bi 40 and I have a Bookshare membership. I
want to read the books in braille as I am hearing impaired, so I hate
listening to books. I'm using the Bookshare Read2Go app, but I find the app
clunky and difficult to use on the braille display. For example, some
pretty basic commands, such as "scroll page down" doesn't work with the
Brailliant.

I know I can download a file specialized for refreshable braille readers on
the website, but I prefer to read away from my desktop.

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Any help would be enormously appreciated!  Thanks.

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Re: skype recorder

[Carter Temm]

Hi,
Another option is just using loopback or soundflower.
and get hijack from
http://rogueamoeba.com


On 2/29/16, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thank you for your imput. Chris, this is the $29 I'm working with on
> call recorder for Skype. Where can I get the highjack? That may be a
> little easier for the recording of Skype conversations. I'm willing to
> try both.
>
> Vaughn
>
> On 2/29/16, Seyoon Choi  wrote:
>> The only thing is that the company no longer sells older version of Hijack
>> I
>> believe, I could be wrong about this. The only difficult part about
>> Hijack
>> is setting up a audio block, but with Vo it’s completely accessible, and
>> they do provide you with several templates to choose from, which also
>> includes Vo-IP apps like Skype. The Hijack Pro 2 is not really meant to
>> work
>> on OS X version higher than 10.10 Yosemite so the compatibility might be
>> reduced than newer Hijack v3, but both versions could probably do the
>> job.
>> It’s heck of a lot better than other cheep Skype recorders out there.
>> Seyoon Choi
>> syc20...@gmail.com
>> YouTube Video Content Producer
>> Head of Blindinsider
>> www.blindinsider.com
>> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
>> impaired
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Audio hijack 2 is not really that bad to setup. Hijack 3 has the block
>>> library, but 2 just has a selection list. I also believe hijack 2 has
>>> a skype session by default providing you have skype already installed.
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
 Audio hijack can record Skype, but it's a pain in the kneck to set up,
 in
 my

 not so humble opinion.

 Chris.

 - Original Message -
 From: 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:48 AM
 Subject: Re: skype recorder


> One that I recommend is Audio Hyjack. It doesn't record Skype but it
> could
>
> be used to record other audios comming out of Mac and it's accessible.
> The
>
> only downside is that it's paid, though it's worth a purchase once you
> have it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Vaughn Brown 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>> I found it and downloaded the demo. But it doesn't look accessible.
>> None of the buttons are labeled. Your thoughts?
>> Vaughn
>>
>>> On 2/28/16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> You might try "call recorder for Skype.  Not in the app store so
>>> you'll
>>>
>>> have
>>> to Google it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>> blind
>>> built-in
>>>
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>>> Wireless
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Vaughn Brown 
 wrote:

 Hello folks,

 I am looking to start podcasting by interviewing musicians. I
 installe
 Skype and now wanting to hear feedback on a recorder for Skype. I
 heard of one simplied called "Skype Recorder" but wanted to check
 for
 accessible Skype recordeing software.

 Thank you folks, and have a nice day.
 Vaughn

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Re: recording from the 'net

[d . prater]

I'll definitely check out screen flow, as it mixes well with what I'd 
originally intended to do with Hijack and Piezo anyways, lol.

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:16 AM -0800, "E.T."  wrote:










Chris,
While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I 
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would either 
of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.

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On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
> tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
> it does work.
>
> Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
> with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
> it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
> to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
> is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
> you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
> system audio, which would include Voiceover.
>
> So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
> happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
> the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
> watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
> in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
> accomplished.
>
> Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
> combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
> tricky.
>
> Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
> my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
> the software side of things.
>
> Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
> you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: recording from the 'net
>
>
>> Chris,
>>Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
>> planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
>> might be handy. Thanks.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
>>> Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
>>> input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
>>> app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
>>> audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
>>> Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
>>> in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
>>> under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
>>> should be right there.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
>>> Subject: recording from the 'net
>>>
>>>
 Hi,
 I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
 go about this-which app would work?

 The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

 thanks,
 Caitlyn

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Re: Facebook's new reactions

[Vaughn Brown]

I wonder if there is  Jaws command for this. I'll have to try.
Vaughn

On 2/29/16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> They seem to work for me on my mac.  I vo+spacebar on the like button and
> then vo+down arrow through the choices.  They also seem to appear in a
> toolbar after the like button when you vo+spacebar on the like button.
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:15, Krister Ekstrom 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> The reactions work in that you can actually add them to a post accessibly
>> but there seems to be no way of seeing what those emoji actually are, so
>> if someone reacts on a post that you follow or have made yourself, it
>> doesn’t look as if you can see what they’ve actually done.
>> /Krister
>>
>>> 29 feb. 2016 kl. 08:40 skrev Ben J. Bloomgren >> >:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I saw this article on Twitter about these new reaction emoji that
>>> Facebook has added to the like button. I hadn't heard anything about it,
>>> so I tried it. Indeed, it worked on my iPhone. I haven't tried it on the
>>> mac yet, as the article indicates that one would hover with the mouse
>>> over it. What are your experiences on iOS and OSX with this?
>>>
>>> Here's the article:
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-new-like-provide-data-2016-2
>>> 
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
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Re: skype recorder

[Vaughn Brown]

Hi everyone,

Thank you for your imput. Chris, this is the $29 I'm working with on
call recorder for Skype. Where can I get the highjack? That may be a
little easier for the recording of Skype conversations. I'm willing to
try both.

Vaughn

On 2/29/16, Seyoon Choi  wrote:
> The only thing is that the company no longer sells older version of Hijack I
> believe, I could be wrong about this. The only difficult part about Hijack
> is setting up a audio block, but with Vo it’s completely accessible, and
> they do provide you with several templates to choose from, which also
> includes Vo-IP apps like Skype. The Hijack Pro 2 is not really meant to work
> on OS X version higher than 10.10 Yosemite so the compatibility might be
> reduced than newer Hijack v3, but both versions could probably do the job.
> It’s heck of a lot better than other cheep Skype recorders out there.
> Seyoon Choi
> syc20...@gmail.com
> YouTube Video Content Producer
> Head of Blindinsider
> www.blindinsider.com
> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
> impaired
>
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Audio hijack 2 is not really that bad to setup. Hijack 3 has the block
>> library, but 2 just has a selection list. I also believe hijack 2 has
>> a skype session by default providing you have skype already installed.
>> thanks
>>
>> On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>>> Audio hijack can record Skype, but it's a pain in the kneck to set up, in
>>> my
>>>
>>> not so humble opinion.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: skype recorder
>>>
>>>
 One that I recommend is Audio Hyjack. It doesn't record Skype but it
 could

 be used to record other audios comming out of Mac and it's accessible.
 The

 only downside is that it's paid, though it's worth a purchase once you
 have it.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Vaughn Brown 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> I found it and downloaded the demo. But it doesn't look accessible.
> None of the buttons are labeled. Your thoughts?
> Vaughn
>
>> On 2/28/16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> You might try "call recorder for Skype.  Not in the app store so
>> you'll
>>
>> have
>> to Google it.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>> blind
>> built-in
>>
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>> Wireless
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Vaughn Brown 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello folks,
>>>
>>> I am looking to start podcasting by interviewing musicians. I
>>> installe
>>> Skype and now wanting to hear feedback on a recorder for Skype. I
>>> heard of one simplied called "Skype Recorder" but wanted to check
>>> for
>>> accessible Skype recordeing software.
>>>
>>> Thank you folks, and have a nice day.
>>> Vaughn
>>>
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>>> educator
>>> 504-202-8492
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Re: recording from the 'net

[E.T.]

Chris,
   While looking for a Screenflow download (they offer a trial) I 
looked for Piezo.  Piezo and Audio Hijack also have trials. Would either 
of these do the job? Don't need anything fancy.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll
tell ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but
it does work.

Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me
with this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days,
it'll put a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want
to record video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow
is, it has the ability of not only recording from whatever sound input
you want to use, say like, your microphone, but it also can record all
system audio, which would include Voiceover.

So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that
happens is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and
the audio would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a
watermark.  Then, just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow
in Quicktime, then export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission
accomplished.

Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in
combination with something like Soundflower which could get a little
tricky.

Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through
my mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from
the software side of things.

Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if
you need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to
might be handy. Thanks.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: Facebook's new reactions

[Andrew Lamanche]

They seem to work for me on my mac.  I vo+spacebar on the like button and then 
vo+down arrow through the choices.  They also seem to appear in a toolbar after 
the like button when you vo+spacebar on the like button.
> On 29 Feb 2016, at 08:15, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The reactions work in that you can actually add them to a post accessibly but 
> there seems to be no way of seeing what those emoji actually are, so if 
> someone reacts on a post that you follow or have made yourself, it doesn’t 
> look as if you can see what they’ve actually done.
> /Krister
> 
>> 29 feb. 2016 kl. 08:40 skrev Ben J. Bloomgren > >:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>>  
>> I saw this article on Twitter about these new reaction emoji that Facebook 
>> has added to the like button. I hadn't heard anything about it, so I tried 
>> it. Indeed, it worked on my iPhone. I haven't tried it on the mac yet, as 
>> the article indicates that one would hover with the mouse over it. What are 
>> your experiences on iOS and OSX with this?
>>  
>> Here's the article:
>>  
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-new-like-provide-data-2016-2 
>> 
>>  
>> Ben
>> 
>> 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Basioli George]

thank you so much ann
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> Thank you for buying the book.
> 
> Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from 
> Contacts.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> Use Contacts to address envelopes.
> 
> • Put the selected card or cards into a new group;
> • Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue;
> • Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find 
> Show Details button, click it;
> • Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style;
> • Go right to the pop up button;
> • Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes";
> • Navigate right to Layout and select it;
> • Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of 
> where it says "layout" again;
> • Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find 
> either International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu;
> • Select the appropriate envelope type;
> • Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position 
> and size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from 
> left and how big);
> • Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of 
> addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size 
> of the Sender address panel;
> • Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it;
> • Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if 
> you don't want your address to appear on the envelope;
> • Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you 
> want to send from (Home, Work, etc.);
> • Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category 
> of address for the recipient(s);
> • To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal 
> Code);
> • Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the 
> recipient's company name, both or neither;
> • To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed 
> unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other 
> country names will be printed;
> • To the right again, you select font colour (default black);
> • Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab;
> • The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular 
> to the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it 
> to be parallel;
> • You can now print your envelope.
> 
> Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time!
> 
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George > > wrote:
>> 
>> thank you ann and i am buying your book.
>> 
>> is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no 
>> success.
>> thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.
>> 
>> thanks again
>> 
>> george
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello George,
>>> 
>>> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for 
>>> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts 
>>> if you need to print more than a couple at a time.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George > wrote:
 
 jonathen 
 
 do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
 envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
 site.
 
 i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing 
 list of envelopes.
 
 thanks
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this 
> list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it 
> inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
> be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
> do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called 
> "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for 
> making the most of the application.
> You can learn more about the book here 
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
> out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Alan Lemly]

Well, I agree there is value in sharing knowledge but in capitalistic 
economies, value is usually given for value received. That's why educators and 
others who advance knowledge are paid for their services. Maybe you should 
explain what you mean by free knowledge because it seems as if it's your 
singular opinion. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>> anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>> this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>> with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>> beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
 On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
 $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
 everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
 ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
 
> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>> able or not.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful 
>>> people on
>>>this list, 

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello George,

Thank you for buying the book.

Below my signature are instructions for printing a batch of envelopes from 
Contacts.

Cheers,

Anne

Use Contacts to address envelopes.

• Put the selected card or cards into a new group;
• Press Command-P to bring up the Print dialogue;
• Navigate to the last visible item (VO-End) then go left twice. If you find 
Show Details button, click it;
• Use the Item Chooser to find the label Style;
• Go right to the pop up button;
• Pop it and select "Envelopes" if it is not already saying "Envelopes";
• Navigate right to Layout and select it;
• Navigate right past the other two tabs and click the button to the right of 
where it says "layout" again;
• Navigate down the menu, past Save as, delete and so on, until you find either 
International envelopes or North American Envelopes submenu;
• Select the appropriate envelope type;
• Navigate right to see the exact dimensions of the envelope, the position and 
size of the recipient's address panel (how far from top, how far from left and 
how big);
• Continue to navigate right, past the field telling you the number of 
addresses selected and the zoom slider and you'll find the position and size of 
the Sender address panel;
• Use the Item Chooser menu to locate the Label tab and select it;
• Navigate right to the checkbox "Print my address", clear this checkbox if you 
don't want your address to appear on the envelope;
• Navigate right to the address category pop up button and select the one you 
want to send from (Home, Work, etc.);
• Navigate right to the Addresses pop up button where you select the category 
of address for the recipient(s);
• To the right again, you select the print order (alphabetical or Postal Code);
• Continuing right, you can select to print your company name, the recipient's 
company name, both or neither;
• To the right again, if you check Country, all country names will be printed 
unless you check the checkbox Except my country, in which case only other 
country names will be printed;
• To the right again, you select font colour (default black);
• Now use the Item Chooser menu to select the Orientation tab;
• The first radio button to the right shows the printing to be perpendicular to 
the feed direction of the envelope, and the second radio button shows it to be 
parallel;
• You can now print your envelope.

Fortunately, Contacts remembers the settings for next time!


> On 29 Feb 2016, at 16:06, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> thank you ann and i am buying your book.
> 
> is there any directions how to do this in contacts i have tried with no 
> success.
> thanks so much and hope you could tell me how to do this in contacts.
> 
> thanks again
> 
> george
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:41 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello George,
>> 
>> The book covers using the envelope templates in Pages, which are fine for 
>> one envelope, but I’d recommend printing envelopes or labels from Contacts 
>> if you need to print more than a couple at a time.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 14:10, Basioli George >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> jonathen 
>>> 
>>> do you know if this wonderful book addresses trying to enter and print 
>>> envelopes?  i did not see this in the list of things covered on your web 
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> i need to beable to do this eather  a single envelope and or a mailing list 
>>> of envelopes.
>>> 
>>> thanks
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 17:03 PM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on this 
 list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She clearly knows it 
 inside-out.
 Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband Archie would 
 be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an eBook. They agreed to 
 do this and Mosen Consulting has published it today. The book is called 
 "My Mac Pages" and contains over 40,000 words of essential info for making 
 the most of the application.
 You can learn more about the book here 
 .
 Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a real need 
 out there.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
 
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Re: mars edit and nonwordpress domains

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

with my site i just put in the url of the blog page and let mars edit do the 
rest. It had no trouble either time. hope that works, max 
On Feb 29, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Hi,
> Can you use mars edit if you have a blog on your own domain?  If so, how do 
> you do this?
> 
> Rather, how do you set it up?
> 
> Thanks,
> Caitlyn
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Re: skype recorder

[Seyoon Choi]

The only thing is that the company no longer sells older version of Hijack I 
believe, I could be wrong about this. The only difficult part about Hijack is 
setting up a audio block, but with Vo it’s completely accessible, and they do 
provide you with several templates to choose from, which also includes Vo-IP 
apps like Skype. The Hijack Pro 2 is not really meant to work on OS X version 
higher than 10.10 Yosemite so the compatibility might be reduced than newer 
Hijack v3, but both versions could probably do the job. It’s heck of a lot 
better than other cheep Skype recorders out there.
Seyoon Choi
syc20...@gmail.com
YouTube Video Content Producer
Head of Blindinsider
www.blindinsider.com
Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually impaired

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Carter Temm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Audio hijack 2 is not really that bad to setup. Hijack 3 has the block
> library, but 2 just has a selection list. I also believe hijack 2 has
> a skype session by default providing you have skype already installed.
> thanks
> 
> On 2/29/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>> Audio hijack can record Skype, but it's a pain in the kneck to set up, in my
>> 
>> not so humble opinion.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: skype recorder
>> 
>> 
>>> One that I recommend is Audio Hyjack. It doesn't record Skype but it could
>>> 
>>> be used to record other audios comming out of Mac and it's accessible. The
>>> 
>>> only downside is that it's paid, though it's worth a purchase once you
>>> have it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Vaughn Brown 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Ray,
 
 I found it and downloaded the demo. But it doesn't look accessible.
 None of the buttons are labeled. Your thoughts?
 Vaughn
 
> On 2/28/16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> You might try "call recorder for Skype.  Not in the app store so you'll
> 
> have
> to Google it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Vaughn Brown 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello folks,
>> 
>> I am looking to start podcasting by interviewing musicians. I installe
>> Skype and now wanting to hear feedback on a recorder for Skype. I
>> heard of one simplied called "Skype Recorder" but wanted to check for
>> accessible Skype recordeing software.
>> 
>> Thank you folks, and have a nice day.
>> Vaughn
>> 
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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Here you go, my friend.  Try this.

https://www.rogueamoeba.com/piezo/download.php

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Caitlyn Furness" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net


Chris,
Can you send me a link for piezo?  I can’t find it on the canadian app store 
for mac..

thanks,
Caitlyn
ps-I know it might not be available here..


On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Chris,
  Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not planning to 
do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might be handy. 
Thanks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know, I haven't totally looked into it as far as that goes.  I'll tell 
ya a trick though that I know works.  It's a little involved, but it does 
work.


Get a copy of Screenflow.  You don't need to buy a license, trust me with 
this.  Here's what'll happen.  After, I think it's like, 15 days, it'll put 
a watermark in your video.  Now, I understand you don't want to record 
video, but hear me out on this.  What's cool about screenflow is, it has the 
ability of not only recording from whatever sound input you want to use, say 
like, your microphone, but it also can record all system audio, which would 
include Voiceover.


So, what you'd do is, being that once the trial runs out, all that happens 
is that watermark, you're not concerned about that anyway, and the audio 
would still be fine.  So, record the video.  Let it put a watermark.  Then, 
just go back, open up that video created by Screenflow in Quicktime, then 
export it out as an M4A.  there you go.  Mission accomplished.


Piezo probably could do this, but I think you'd have to do it in combination 
with something like Soundflower which could get a little tricky.


Most of when I need to record my mac's audio, I just run the mac through my 
mixer, so, I'm admittedly not the most up on doing it totally from the 
software side of things.


Hopefully, this at least gives you a few ideas though.  Let me know if you 
need any further clarification.  I'd be happy to help.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not planning 
to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might be handy. 
Thanks.


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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh, is it not there?  I am in the US, so yeah, let me see if I can find you 
a link outside the app store.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net


Chris,
Can you send me a link for piezo?  I can’t find it on the canadian app store 
for mac..

thanks,
Caitlyn
ps-I know it might not be available here..


On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Chris,
  Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not planning to 
do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might be handy. 
Thanks.


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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: recording from the 'net

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Thanks very much Chris!

Caitlyn

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
>   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not planning to do 
> tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might be handy. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> 
> On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
>> Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
>> input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
>> app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
>> audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
>> Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
>> in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
>> under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
>> should be right there.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
>> Subject: recording from the 'net
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
>>> go about this-which app would work?
>>> 
>>> The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Caitlyn
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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I think Piezo is even way way cheaper than Audio Hijack if I remember 
correctly.


Chris.

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Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: recording from the 'net



Thanks very much Chris!

Caitlyn


On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Chris,
  Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not planning 
to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might be handy. 
Thanks.


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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: searching on facebook with the mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Are you doing this from the Facebook mobile web site?

http://m.facebook.com

It might be that there truly only are a few results.

That's the only thing I can think of.

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Subject: searching on facebook with the mac



Hi,
Is there a trick to doing a search on facebook with the mac?

I am trying to search for discussion groups on there, but it only brings 
up a few results.


thanks,
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Re: recording from the 'net

[Caitlyn Furness]

Chris,
Can you send me a link for piezo?  I can’t find it on the canadian app store 
for mac..
thanks,
Caitlyn
ps-I know it might not be available here..

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
>   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not planning to do 
> tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might be handy. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
>> Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
>> input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
>> app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
>> audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
>> Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
>> in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
>> under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
>> should be right there.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
>> Subject: recording from the 'net
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
>>> go about this-which app would work?
>>> 
>>> The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Caitlyn
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searching on facebook with the mac

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Hi,
Is there a trick to doing a search on facebook with the mac?

I am trying to search for discussion groups on there, but it only brings up a 
few results.   

thanks,
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Re: recording from the 'net

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Chris,
   Will this work for recording what Voiceover speaks? I am not 
planning to do tutorials or anything like that but knowing how to might 
be handy. Thanks.


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On 2/29/2016 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called
Piezo. Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your
input source as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the
app, hit command+R to record, go over to the browser and start the
audio, and then Piezo will record it.  When done, command+Tab back to
Piezo, hit command+R to stop recording, then go find the file.  It'll be
in your music directory off your home directory.  You then  should,
under Music, see a folder called Piezo. Open it up, and the mp3 file
should be right there.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I
go about this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[d . prater]

I'm sorry, y'all, for being the one to whine this time. I'm getting to used to 
free books and all from NLS, lol. Gosh they spoil us. Anyways, I am considering 
saving up money for it. Is it on the iBooks store? If so, iTunes cards will 
take care of it. If not, that's okay. I'd just have to go a few steps more. But 
if I don't buy the book, I'll still try and figure out a few things at least, 
and post them as guides on Applevis. I'm probably not as good at the Mac as 
Anne is, but you never know. Maybe I'll surprise myself. :)

Sent from Outlook Mobile.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com




On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:32 AM -0800, "Phil Halton"  wrote:










After reading through all the messages in this thread I am heartened to see the 
Goodcents shown by the majority of the listers. It looks like our friend Jason 
is getting a "free" education today on how the world really works,  


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
> should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
> for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
> charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
> tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
> blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
> feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
> and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
> resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
> like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
> things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
> enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
> would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
> tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
> a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
> a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
> I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
> only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.
> 
> JMO,
> Scott
> 
>> On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only
>> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
>> it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
>> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
>> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
 know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
 to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>>   > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[E.T.]

Jason,
   Free is an oxymoron. Means that nothing is truly free, there is a 
cost to every action. Even taking the time to avail yourself of free 
knowledge comes with a price.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/28/2016 11:21 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.

On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth anything 
to you or your family?

  I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
this guide,

  They've worked hard to put it together,

And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with 
VoiceOver

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is freely 
available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing beneficial 
knowledge.

On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:

Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.

You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?

On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:

I see both sides of this argument.

On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.

Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
tried to charge that much for this knowledge.

That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

mail: johnl1...@gmail.com

Twitter: @J_TGL


On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:

I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have
a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I
was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.

Sent from Outlook Mobile .
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com 




On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> wrote:

 Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:

 Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
people on
 this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
 clearly knows it inside-out.
 Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
 Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
into an
 eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
published
 it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
 application.
 You can learn more about the book here
 .
 Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely
meets a
 real need out there.
 

Re: recording from the 'net

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks, I’ll check it out.

Caitlyn

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:33 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> 
> If you have Audio hijack, you can use that. The free version is good for up 
> to 10 minutes, then inserts additional audio into the recording.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:32 AM -0800, "Caitlyn Furness" 
> > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I go 
> about this-which app would work?
> 
> The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.
> 
> thanks,
> Caitlyn
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Re: mars edit and nonwordpress domains

[Caitlyn Furness]

ah, ok, thanks a lot.  Not sure why or how I missed this, but..yeah.  Probably 
means I need more coffee!
*smile*

thanks,
Cait

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Naturally, the answer is yes. All you do is choose “I already have a blog” 
> from the MarsEdit quick start, then enter in the URL. Once it has detected 
> your blog settings, it prompts you to enter username and password. After 
> that, you’re ready.
> 
> Nicolai
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Can you use mars edit if you have a blog on your own domain?  If so, how do 
>> you do this?
>> 
>> Rather, how do you set it up?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Caitlyn
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Re: recording from the 'net

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, I would try going to the mac app store and getting an app called Piezo. 
Then, basically all you need to do is open it, then select your input source 
as Safari, or whatever browser you're using, then in the app, hit command+R 
to record, go over to the browser and start the audio, and then Piezo will 
record it.  When done, command+Tab back to Piezo, hit command+R to stop 
recording, then go find the file.  It'll be in your music directory off your 
home directory.  You then  should, under Music, see a folder called Piezo. 
Open it up, and the mp3 file should be right there.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Caitlyn Furness" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:31 AM
Subject: recording from the 'net



Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I go 
about this-which app would work?


The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: recording from the 'net

[d . prater]

If you have Audio hijack, you can use that. The free version is good for up to 
10 minutes, then inserts additional audio into the recording.

Sent from Outlook Mobile.
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Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I go about 
this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

After reading through all the messages in this thread I am heartened to see the 
Goodcents shown by the majority of the listers. It looks like our friend Jason 
is getting a "free" education today on how the world really works,  


Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> If you don't want to pay for it, and you feel so strongly that it
> should be free, why not go out there and do all of the work yourself
> for free and publish your own independent guide that is better for no
> charge? $35 is quite affordable, when you consider a comprehensive
> tutorial on, say, JAWS for Windows with Microsoft Word from
> blindtraining.net will cost you more than twice that amount. If you
> feel it's not worth the money, then use the free resources available
> and do what the rest of us have had to do figure it out. If the
> resources available aren't enough, then you will need to pay, just
> like sighted people have to pay for books about how to do certain
> things with Windows/Mac, how to program, etc. I'll bet if there was
> enough interest in a paid audio guide, it would be something people
> would be willing to spend the large amount of time to produce. I can
> tell you that developing a resource such as something like this takes
> a lot of time and effort. You don't just sit down and magically write
> a book in an hour or record a 40 minute podcast in 40 minutes. While
> I've never charged for the stuff I have produced, this is also why I
> only spend so much time on it and why it's not perfectly done.
> 
> JMO,
> Scott
> 
>> On 2/29/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’m sorry, if you can’t spend $35 then you shouldn’t be spending your m only
>> on computers and non essentials.  Otherwise if you don’t like it don’t buy
>> it else nobody cares.  Personally, $35 seems more than reasonable to me
>> especially when you consider how much in return you can get from the
>> investment.  Some people just expect to be handed everything for free.
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
 free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
 know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
 to help them make a course for it.
 
 Sent from Outlook Mobile .
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
 > wrote:
 
   Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
   On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
   Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
   this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
   clearly knows it inside-out.
   Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
   Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
   eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
   it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
   40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
   application.
   You can learn more about the book here
   .
   Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
   real need out there.
   Jonathan Mosen
   Mosen Consulting
   Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
   http://Mosen.org 
 
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recording from the 'net

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I want to record some audio off the internet with my mac.  How would I go about 
this-which app would work?

The audio is talks on a health summit, offered for free.

thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Phil Halton]

And why do you think they should go to the bother of sharing their heart one 
knowledge if there is no incentive for them to do so. I'm talking about earning 
a living here.
If you've ever had to earn your way in this world you'll know what I'm talking 
about. Innovation doesn't come cheap and neither does knowledge. If you want to 
enjoy the fruits of these things be prepared to compensate people for their 
time and effort. When and if you ever use your mind to create something of 
value, you will write fully expect to be compensated for your labors.


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> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than
> sharing beneficial knowledge.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>> 
>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you
>> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
 I see both sides of this argument.
 
 On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
 available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
 humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together
 is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the
 author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their
 family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for something as
 long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
 
 Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
 Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
 encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
 appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
 money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
 grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
 priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices
 from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to
 charge that much for this knowledge.
 
 That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
 
 DFTBA!
 
 John D. Lipsey
 
 mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
 
 Twitter: @J_TGL
 
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw  wrote:
> 
> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able
> or not.
> 
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
>> instructors
>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very
>> unprepared
>> to help them make a course for it.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
>> people on
>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
>> into an
>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
>> published
>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>application.
>>You can learn more about the book here
>>.
>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely
>> meets a
>>