Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

THanks for sharing the references, I must go read.
Btw, VZ had at one time a VOIP service called Voice WIng or something wing and 
it did disappear apparently a few years ago and this was before they rolled out 
their Fios service. I would agree this is a really expensive and very 
entertaining game companies play and we'll have to sit back with a bag of 
popcorn and a cold beer and see where all this heads.

On May 10, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Amassing a large portfolio of patents is a common protection method for large 
> companies. Patent anything plausible and add them to your quiver in case 
> somebody sues you. The intent isn't competitive advantage by exploiting those 
> discoveries in your own products, but rather as a path to mutually assured 
> damage. If you sue me for stepping on your patent, I'm sure I can come up 
> with five of my own you're stepping on, so back off. Then it comes down to 
> messy court battles with suits and countersuits to see who holds the best 
> hand and has the deepest pockets. Sometimes these things get settled and 
> there is a press release about the glorious new world where to friends are 
> going to mutually assist each other by cross-pollinating their technology 
> portfolios. Other times somebody goes down and has to cough up cash.
> 
> I got to experience some of this as a Vonage VOIP customer as they were sued 
> by Verizon under patents they had for doing VOIP. Apparently VZ had these 
> patents for sometime, patents to deliver really cheap high quality telco over 
> plain old IP, and they did nothing. Then Vonage came along and once they got 
> big enough to be a competitor VZ trotted out their patents and trounced 
> Vonage in court. Why would VZ be interested in rolling out a product or 
> service that was lower cost and competed with their own high-margin services? 
> They wouldn't, and with their patents they could make sure nobody else did 
> either.
> 
> So it will be interesting. Is Apple blatantly stomping on Nokia's patents and 
> think they wouldn't get caught or that the patents were weak/obiovus? Did 
> Nokia have these just in drydock in case somebody like Apple stumbled upon a 
> better but less profitable way to do something? Maybe they were submarine 
> patents that Nokia held in secret just in case somebody came up with 
> something competitive. Only the courts and lawyers are going to have the time 
> and details to sort all that out.
> 
> Fun reading on mutually assured damage:
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080437270.html
> 
> And the related submarine patent:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent
> 
> CB

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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Chris Blouch]

IDC released their worldwide stats on smartphone marketshare last 
Friday. True that Apple is still 3rd, but the notable bit is growth. RIM 
and Nokia each grew by 45 and 57 percent respectivly but Apple grew by 
131%. Apple's volume was only a bit behind RIM (8.8M v. 10.6M) so RIM 
has to be hearing footsteps running after them, and Apple's growth shows 
no signs of slowing. They just keep coming our with stuff people want 
and fixing up weak spots (IDE, Multitasking, AppStore, iBook etc). If I 
were Nokia I'd start drawing a defensive line and calling in favors 
while their sales ratios are two to one compared to Apple. This time 
last year it was more that three to one and it's not an unreasonable bet 
that next year it will be one to one.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Worldwide-Converged-Mobile-bw-3286458415.html?x=0

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-iphone-smartphone-market-share-surges-rim-slips/34181

CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the 
ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are 
Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. 
BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 
iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.

As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.

These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.

Bryan

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Nokia patents

and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
that potentially has the most money.

On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:

  

sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right 
now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat 
lisencing contract.
On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:


agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:


  
Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.


On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
Nokia patents



NOKIA



Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents




Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.


The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.


"Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in 
mobile devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing 
at Nokia. "We have taken this step to protect the results of our 
pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."


During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 
40 billion in research and development and built one of the 
wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and 
mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by 
Nokia's strong patent portfolio.


About Nokia
At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine 
advanced technology with personalized services that enable people 
to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 
billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from 
mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile 
computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative 
services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, 
email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital 
mapping and n

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Chris Blouch]

Amassing a large portfolio of patents is a common protection method for 
large companies. Patent anything plausible and add them to your quiver 
in case somebody sues you. The intent isn't competitive advantage by 
exploiting those discoveries in your own products, but rather as a path 
to mutually assured damage. If you sue me for stepping on your patent, 
I'm sure I can come up with five of my own you're stepping on, so back 
off. Then it comes down to messy court battles with suits and 
countersuits to see who holds the best hand and has the deepest pockets. 
Sometimes these things get settled and there is a press release about 
the glorious new world where to friends are going to mutually assist 
each other by cross-pollinating their technology portfolios. Other times 
somebody goes down and has to cough up cash.


I got to experience some of this as a Vonage VOIP customer as they were 
sued by Verizon under patents they had for doing VOIP. Apparently VZ had 
these patents for sometime, patents to deliver really cheap high quality 
telco over plain old IP, and they did nothing. Then Vonage came along 
and once they got big enough to be a competitor VZ trotted out their 
patents and trounced Vonage in court. Why would VZ be interested in 
rolling out a product or service that was lower cost and competed with 
their own high-margin services? They wouldn't, and with their patents 
they could make sure nobody else did either.


So it will be interesting. Is Apple blatantly stomping on Nokia's 
patents and think they wouldn't get caught or that the patents were 
weak/obiovus? Did Nokia have these just in drydock in case somebody like 
Apple stumbled upon a better but less profitable way to do something? 
Maybe they were submarine patents that Nokia held in secret just in case 
somebody came up with something competitive. Only the courts and lawyers 
are going to have the time and details to sort all that out.


Fun reading on mutually assured damage:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080437270.html

And the related submarine patent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent

CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

The article says
--
During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion 
in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's 
strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. 
--


Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents.

Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. 
They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget 
with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage 
system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a 
membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for 
inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might 
not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even 
care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, 
demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file 
and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll 
sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then 
you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, 
and they'll be back to business as usual.

Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple 
deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to 
win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia 
can make life very unpleasant for them.

The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while 
giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming 
alliances of threat.

Bryan

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Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia 
patents

Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents


NOKIA



Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents




Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against 
Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, 
alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important 
Nokia patents.


The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data 
transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in 
antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing 
smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important 
to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

Simon,

It does not matter whether Nokia is responsible for most of the technology or 
not. Many manufacturers are using GSM and I am sure legally. Not being a patent 
lawyer, there are either royalties paid or fair use rights involved. I would 
submit that stealing is a rather strong term because stealing implies that the 
company, such as Apple, in fact committed a crime. There is a lot of hair to be 
split over this and there is probably some back story that we are not aware of 
either. Companies may tread heavily into patented technologies, but stealing 
them outright is a bit to bold since that is an easy case to win. Furthermore, 
if Nokia was so concerned, they could have sounded the alarm sooner, but likely 
wanted to wait and see if the iPhone would generate enough revenue to make a 
case worth the money. That goes back to the whole issue of ROI. I think in the 
end the whole case will just blow away because Apple will reach into its rather 
deep pocket and tell Nokia to go away. See Apple has this large pot of money 
that others really want to help them spend and a lawsuit is one way to help a 
company unburden itself from all that spare cash. Wow I'm such a conspiracy 
theorist aren't I? :)

On May 10, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Nokia are responsible for   a large portion of the mobile technology we have
> in the world today. 
> I would hope that they aren't going down.
> And besides, apple like other companys will be gilty of steeling patents
> from other companys. It's just part of life.
> 

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RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Simon Fogarty]

Nokia are responsible for   a large portion of the mobile technology we have
in the world today. 
I would hope that they aren't going down.
 And besides, apple like other companys will be gilty of steeling patents
from other companys. It's just part of life.


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Subject: RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of
Nokia patents

I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on
the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the
world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's
17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly
9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold
21,000,000.

As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget
just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.

These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few
years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some
agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that
one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.

Bryan

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of
Nokia patents

and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company
that potentially has the most money.

On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia
right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha
fat lisencing contract.
> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will
tell you.
>>> 
>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>> Nokia patents
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> NOKIA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
>>>> complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
>>>> Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
>>>> 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.
>>>> 
>>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
>>>> and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
>>>> innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
>>>> save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
>>>> patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow
improved product performance and design.
>>>> 
>>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in 
>>>> mobile devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing 
>>>> at Nokia. "We have taken this step to protect the results of our 
>>>> pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of
Nokia's innovation."
>>>> 
>>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR
>>>> 40 billion in research and development and built one of the 
>>>> wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over
11,000 patent families.
>>>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and 
>>>> mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by 
>>>> Nokia's strong patent portfolio.
>>>> 
>>>> About Nokia
>>>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine 
>>>> advanced technology with personalized services that enable people 
>>>> to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 
>>>> billi

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

I agree with Scot - this will die, but I think it will die in a secret
office after an expencive meal plus drinks and will involve a large
amount of notes - after all, that's what nokia's after really.

On 10/05/2010, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Agreed. :)
> On May 9, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>> We can agree on the fact that this is just how big business like to
>> entertain themselves, but what I am saying is that Nokia started the
>> battle.
>> Either way, it'll be interesting to see if it actually goes anywhere or
>> quietly dies in a corner.
>>
>> On May 9, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>
>>> No,
>>>
>>> They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit.  That threatened angle just
>>> don't jive here.  Their both have sued each other.  So are they both
>>> threatened?  lol.  I think this is just how big business get back at each
>>> other.  It is a legal shoving match.  No more, no less, in my opinion.
>>> We live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation.  Many
>>> times itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your
>>> nerves. :)
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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Ricardo Walker]

Agreed. :)
On May 9, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> We can agree on the fact that this is just how big business like to entertain 
> themselves, but what I am saying is that Nokia started the battle.
> Either way, it'll be interesting to see if it actually goes anywhere or 
> quietly dies in a corner.
> 
> On May 9, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> No,
>> 
>> They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit.  That threatened angle just 
>> don't jive here.  Their both have sued each other.  So are they both 
>> threatened?  lol.  I think this is just how big business get back at each 
>> other.  It is a legal shoving match.  No more, no less, in my opinion.  We 
>> live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation.  Many times 
>> itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :)
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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

Never will happen. Apple would never allow themselves to be run off do to 
Nokia's lawsuit.

On May 9, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> It's sad but let's hope that apple does not have to redoo the iphone or get 
> rid of it all together. We'll see.
> 
> Take care to all.

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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

We can agree on the fact that this is just how big business like to entertain 
themselves, but what I am saying is that Nokia started the battle.
Either way, it'll be interesting to see if it actually goes anywhere or quietly 
dies in a corner.

On May 9, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> No,
> 
> They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit.  That threatened angle just 
> don't jive here.  Their both have sued each other.  So are they both 
> threatened?  lol.  I think this is just how big business get back at each 
> other.  It is a legal shoving match.  No more, no less, in my opinion.  We 
> live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation.  Many times 
> itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :)

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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Sarah Alawami]

It's sad but let's hope that apple does not have to redoo the iphone or get rid 
of it all together. We'll see.

Take care to all.
On May 9, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> No,
> 
> They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit.  That threatened angle just 
> don't jive here.  Their both have sued each other.  So are they both 
> threatened?  lol.  I think this is just how big business get back at each 
> other.  It is a legal shoving match.  No more, no less, in my opinion.  We 
> live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation.  Many times 
> itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :)
> On May 9, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> So, if Nokia is not feeling threaten, then why bother? There is a motivating 
>> reason because litigation in any form will cost money and if both sides 
>> really dig in their heels, it could end up costing both sides a considerable 
>> chunk of change. It all goes back to return on investment (ROI). There has 
>> to be some motivation and some outcome that will benefit either side. In 
>> Apple's case the counter suit is in response to Nokia's suit, which is 
>> pretty standard protocol. So, what does Nokia expect to gain? Well X dollars 
>> for every iPhone sold since it was introduced and going forward. This means 
>> they need money or they would have done this several years ago. This is 
>> based on what I have read about this over the last many months and it makes 
>> about as much sense as half the lawsuits filed anymore.
>> 
>> On May 9, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case.  From what I 
>>> have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits.  A month ago Apple 
>>> sued HTC.  Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened?  Maybe.  
>>> And about Motorola.  lol.  If it wasn't for Android and the release of the 
>>> Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game. 
>>>  Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy.  So I think Motorola 
>>> being as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their 
>>> business being killed than the iPhone.  lol.  Like I said.  Motorola didn't 
>>> have a smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter.
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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Ricardo Walker]

No,

They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit.  That threatened angle just don't 
jive here.  Their both have sued each other.  So are they both threatened?  
lol.  I think this is just how big business get back at each other.  It is a 
legal shoving match.  No more, no less, in my opinion.  We live in a country 
were people sue for the slightest provocation.  Many times itS just a tool, 
like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :)
On May 9, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> So, if Nokia is not feeling threaten, then why bother? There is a motivating 
> reason because litigation in any form will cost money and if both sides 
> really dig in their heels, it could end up costing both sides a considerable 
> chunk of change. It all goes back to return on investment (ROI). There has to 
> be some motivation and some outcome that will benefit either side. In Apple's 
> case the counter suit is in response to Nokia's suit, which is pretty 
> standard protocol. So, what does Nokia expect to gain? Well X dollars for 
> every iPhone sold since it was introduced and going forward. This means they 
> need money or they would have done this several years ago. This is based on 
> what I have read about this over the last many months and it makes about as 
> much sense as half the lawsuits filed anymore.
> 
> On May 9, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case.  From what I 
>> have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits.  A month ago Apple 
>> sued HTC.  Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened?  Maybe.  
>> And about Motorola.  lol.  If it wasn't for Android and the release of the 
>> Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game.  
>> Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy.  So I think Motorola being 
>> as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business 
>> being killed than the iPhone.  lol.  Like I said.  Motorola didn't have a 
>> smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter.
> 
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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

So, if Nokia is not feeling threaten, then why bother? There is a motivating 
reason because litigation in any form will cost money and if both sides really 
dig in their heels, it could end up costing both sides a considerable chunk of 
change. It all goes back to return on investment (ROI). There has to be some 
motivation and some outcome that will benefit either side. In Apple's case the 
counter suit is in response to Nokia's suit, which is pretty standard protocol. 
So, what does Nokia expect to gain? Well X dollars for every iPhone sold since 
it was introduced and going forward. This means they need money or they would 
have done this several years ago. This is based on what I have read about this 
over the last many months and it makes about as much sense as half the lawsuits 
filed anymore.

On May 9, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case.  From what I 
> have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits.  A month ago Apple 
> sued HTC.  Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened?  Maybe.  
> And about Motorola.  lol.  If it wasn't for Android and the release of the 
> Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game.  
> Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy.  So I think Motorola being 
> as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business 
> being killed than the iPhone.  lol.  Like I said.  Motorola didn't have a 
> smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter.

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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case.  From what I have 
read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits.  A month ago Apple sued HTC.  
Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened?  Maybe.  And about 
Motorola.  lol.  If it wasn't for Android and the release of the Droid in the 
last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game.  Motorola is up 
for sale but no one wants to buy.  So I think Motorola being as cutting edge as 
a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business being killed than the 
iPhone.  lol.  Like I said.  Motorola didn't have a smart phone out until the 
Droid came out in the winter.
On May 9, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Marie,
> 
> Very well stated and that is exactly what it boils down too. Nokia like other 
> companies feel threaten and the first response is crank up the lawsuit 
> generator and fling lots of legal fecal matter all over the place and hope 
> some sticks.
> On May 9, 2010, at 12:36 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I hate to tell you but I'm not from the US. I am highly aware of the 
>> popularity of nokias, seen as I live in Europe but it's a case of nokia is 
>> suing because they seem to think they can. Other manufacturers have no doubt 
>> used the patents that Apple are being accused of, GSM is used all over the 
>> world by many different manufacturers so Apple's merely an easy target at 
>> this present time. The old saying, "sitting duck" springs to mind. No one 
>> really believes nokia is scared but they are protecting their future 
>> interests. They obviously perceive Apple to be a threat otherwise the other 
>> manufacturers would be receiving a lawsuit also.
>> it's called business.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 May 2010, at 16:29, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> 
>>> I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on 
>>> the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the 
>>> world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 
>>> 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 
>>> 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 
>>> 21,000,000.
>>> 
>>> As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
>>> just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.
>>> 
>>> These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a 
>>> few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to 
>>> some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for 
>>> that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.
>>> 
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>> Nokia patents
>>> 
>>> and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the 
>>> company that potentially has the most money.
>>> 
>>> On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>>> 
>>>> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
>>>> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha 
>>>> fat lisencing contract.
>>>> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>>>>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>>>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>>>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will 
>>>>>> tell you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>>>>> Nokia patents
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> NOKIA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>>&

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

Marie,

Very well stated and that is exactly what it boils down too. Nokia like other 
companies feel threaten and the first response is crank up the lawsuit 
generator and fling lots of legal fecal matter all over the place and hope some 
sticks.
On May 9, 2010, at 12:36 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

> I hate to tell you but I'm not from the US. I am highly aware of the 
> popularity of nokias, seen as I live in Europe but it's a case of nokia is 
> suing because they seem to think they can. Other manufacturers have no doubt 
> used the patents that Apple are being accused of, GSM is used all over the 
> world by many different manufacturers so Apple's merely an easy target at 
> this present time. The old saying, "sitting duck" springs to mind. No one 
> really believes nokia is scared but they are protecting their future 
> interests. They obviously perceive Apple to be a threat otherwise the other 
> manufacturers would be receiving a lawsuit also.
> it's called business.
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 16:29, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on 
>> the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the 
>> world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 
>> 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 
>> 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.
>> 
>> As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
>> just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.
>> 
>> These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
>> years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
>> agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
>> one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>> Nokia patents
>> 
>> and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
>> that potentially has the most money.
>> 
>> On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
>>> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha 
>>> fat lisencing contract.
>>> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>>>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will 
>>>>> tell you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>>>> Nokia patents
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NOKIA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
>>>>>> complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
>>>>>> Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
>>>>>> 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
>>>>>> and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
>>>>>> innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
>>>>>> save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
>>>>>> patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow 
>>>>>> improved product performance and design.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Nokia has

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[marie Howarth]

Well put John.

On 9 May 2010, at 17:37, John Panarese wrote:

> This is true to an extent.  The issue here is that Apple's growth in the 
> smart phone market worldwide is nearly exponential.  Remember that iPhones 
> did not exist 3 years ago and now they are the third biggest smart phone 
> seller.  Nokia is losing a lot of business to Apple, as is RIM.  If you think 
> that Nokia and RIM are not aware of this and are in defensive mode, you are 
> fooling yourself.  I have a friend who works for Motorola's mobile devices 
> division and he was telling me flat out that Apple's iPhone is "killing' 
> their business and that is a quote from him.  Companies will do whatever it 
> takes to protect their business, and if the shoe was on the other foot, Apple 
> would surely be involved in a similar tactic.  It's how business is done 
> these days, I'm afraid, among manufacturers protecting their technologies.
> 
> As for the lawsuit itself, yes, it will go away.  There will be behind 
> the scenes deals made.  The last one Nokia tried fell short, so I don't know 
> what this one is about now.  There are so many patents owned by various 
> manufactures that are so close in description that it all gets ridiculous 
> when you try to interpret their application.  From my understanding written 
> in several articles, if Apple truly wanted to be the cut throat, cold, nasty 
> company some portray them as being, they could take Google, Microsoft and 
> other companies to court over specific aspects of the touch screen patent 
> technology they particularly own and have solid, legal grounds to tie them up 
> in court for quite some time.
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Managing Director
> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
> 9 Nolan Court
> Hauppauge, NY 11788
> Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479
> Email, t...@optonline.net
> Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com
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> 
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> On May 9, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on 
>> the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the 
>> world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 
>> 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 
>> 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.
>> 
>> As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
>> just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.
>> 
>> These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
>> years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
>> agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
>> one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>> Nokia patents
>> 
>> and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
>> that potentially has the most money.
>> 
>> On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
>>> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha 
>>> fat lisencing contract.
>>> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>>>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will 
>>>>> tell you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>>>> Nokia patents
>>>>>&

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Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[marie Howarth]

I hate to tell you but I'm not from the US. I am highly aware of the popularity 
of nokias, seen as I live in Europe but it's a case of nokia is suing because 
they seem to think they can. Other manufacturers have no doubt used the patents 
that Apple are being accused of, GSM is used all over the world by many 
different manufacturers so Apple's merely an easy target at this present time. 
The old saying, "sitting duck" springs to mind. No one really believes nokia is 
scared but they are protecting their future interests. They obviously perceive 
Apple to be a threat otherwise the other manufacturers would be receiving a 
lawsuit also.
it's called business.


On 9 May 2010, at 16:29, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on 
> the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the 
> world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 
> 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 
> 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.
> 
> As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
> just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.
> 
> These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
> years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
> agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
> one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
> Nokia patents
> 
> and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
> that potentially has the most money.
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
>> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha 
>> fat lisencing contract.
>> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell 
>>>> you.
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>>> Nokia patents
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> NOKIA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
>>>>> complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
>>>>> Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
>>>>> 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
>>>>> and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
>>>>> innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
>>>>> save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
>>>>> patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow 
>>>>> improved product performance and design.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in 
>>>>> mobile devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing 
>>>>> at Nokia. "We have taken this step to protect the results of our 
>>>>> pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of 
>>>>> Nokia's innovation."
>>>>> 
>>>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 
>>>>> 40 billion in research and development and built one of the 
>>>>> wireless industry's stronge

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Kaare Dehard]

sure they do, but there is a change in market view, and by the way, I don't own 
an iphone:) larger the company is the more they begrudge even a slight change 
in market share. When you're talking on such a large scale with that kind of 
money involved a 17% share taken away from you and maybe 2 or 3 others isn't 
exactly apetising.

I'm honestly not being a fan-boy or an idiot, when we talk on that scale, now 
is when a manufacturer may wish to defend themselves regardless of merrit 
before it becomes not just 17 but 47 and more damage control may not be 
possible.
On 2010-05-09, at 11:29 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on 
> the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the 
> world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 
> 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 
> 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.
> 
> As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
> just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.
> 
> These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
> years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
> agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
> one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
> Nokia patents
> 
> and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
> that potentially has the most money.
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
>> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha 
>> fat lisencing contract.
>> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell 
>>>> you.
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>>> Nokia patents
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> NOKIA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
>>>>> complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
>>>>> Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
>>>>> 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
>>>>> and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
>>>>> innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
>>>>> save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
>>>>> patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow 
>>>>> improved product performance and design.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in 
>>>>> mobile devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing 
>>>>> at Nokia. "We have taken this step to protect the results of our 
>>>>> pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of 
>>>>> Nokia's innovation."
>>>>> 
>>>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 
>>>>> 40 billion in research and development and built one of the 
>>>>> wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 
>>>>> 11,000 patent families.
>>>>> N

RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Bryan Smart]

I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the 
ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are 
Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. 
BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 
iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000.

As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget 
just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world.

These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few 
years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some 
agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that 
one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
Nokia patents

and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
that potentially has the most money.

On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat 
> lisencing contract.
> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia 
>> looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is 
>>> just to see who can score browny points against another company; 
>>> it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of 
>>>> Nokia patents
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> NOKIA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a 
>>>> complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the 
>>>> Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 
>>>> 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents.
>>>> 
>>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech 
>>>> and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and 
>>>> innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and 
>>>> save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These 
>>>> patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow 
>>>> improved product performance and design.
>>>> 
>>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in 
>>>> mobile devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing 
>>>> at Nokia. "We have taken this step to protect the results of our 
>>>> pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of 
>>>> Nokia's innovation."
>>>> 
>>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 
>>>> 40 billion in research and development and built one of the 
>>>> wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 
>>>> 11,000 patent families.
>>>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and 
>>>> mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by 
>>>> Nokia's strong patent portfolio.
>>>> 
>>>> About Nokia
>>>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine 
>>>> advanced technology with personalized services that enable people 
>>>> to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 
>>>> billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from 
>>>> mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile 
>>>> computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative 
>>>> services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, 
>>>> email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital 
>>>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens 

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[marie Howarth]

and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company 
that potentially has the most money.

On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia 
> right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat 
> lisencing contract.
> On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big 
>> time 
>> On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
>>> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
>>> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
>>> 
>>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
 patents
 
 
 NOKIA
 
 
 
 Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
 
 
 
 
 Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint 
 against
 Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
 alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
 Nokia patents.
 
 The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
 transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
 antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
 smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
 to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
 
 "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
 devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
 have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
 and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
 
 During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 
 billion
 in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
 strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
 Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
 communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
 patent portfolio.
 
 About Nokia
 At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
 technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
 what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to 
 one
 another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones 
 and
 high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
 with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
 apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
 mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
 equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
 
 FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
 It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
 facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
 regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
 their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
 new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
 expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
 expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
 prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
 combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
 priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
 threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
 of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
 achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
 such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
 "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
 "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
 management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
 currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
 actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
 expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
 limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
 and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
 successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
 comm

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Kaare Dehard]

sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right 
now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat 
lisencing contract.
On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big 
> time 
> On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
>> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
>> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
>> 
>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
>>> patents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NOKIA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
>>> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
>>> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
>>> Nokia patents.
>>> 
>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
>>> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
>>> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
>>> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
>>> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>>> 
>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
>>> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
>>> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
>>> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>>> 
>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
>>> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
>>> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
>>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
>>> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
>>> patent portfolio.
>>> 
>>> About Nokia
>>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
>>> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
>>> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
>>> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
>>> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
>>> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
>>> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
>>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
>>> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>>> 
>>> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
>>> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
>>> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
>>> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
>>> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
>>> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
>>> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
>>> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
>>> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
>>> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
>>> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
>>> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
>>> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
>>> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
>>> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
>>> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
>>> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
>>> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
>>> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
>>> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
>>> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
>>> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
>>> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
>>> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
>>> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
>>> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
>>> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
>>> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and 

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

Bryan,

You may be right, but keep in mind that Apple didn't start the contest, the 
good folks at Nokia started and Apple is just positioning themselves. If Apple 
dropped their claim, I doubt Nokia would do the same. It is very apparent that 
Nokia has a thing for Apple at the minute and not the other manufacturers of 
GSM phones. It is of course another way to keep lawyers fat and happy; not to 
mention clogging the court system.
On May 8, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> The article says
> --
> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion 
> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's 
> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. 
> --
> 
> Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more 
> patents.
> 
> Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't 
> believe. They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make 
> a widget with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic 
> energy storage system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your 
> button. If you use a membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, 
> polymer device for inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical 
> relief cells. You might not know that, and go on building your widgets for a 
> while. They might not even care. One day, though, if they want you out of 
> business, they'll show up, demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if 
> you don't pay, they'll file and injunction and take away your springs. If you 
> switch to membranes, they'll sue your supplier for patent infringement. If 
> you think that sounds crazy, then you'll have to prove it in court. By the 
> time you do, you'll be out of money, and they'll be back to business as usual.
> 
> Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple 
> deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to 
> win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia 
> can make life very unpleasant for them.
> 
> The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out 
> while giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming 
> alliances of threat.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM
> To: mac vissionaries
> Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia 
> patents
> 
> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia 
> patents
> 
> 
> NOKIA
> 
> 
> 
> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against 
> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, 
> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important 
> Nokia patents.
> 
> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data 
> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in 
> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing 
> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important 
> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
> 
> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile 
> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We 
> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development 
> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
> 
> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion 
> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's 
> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. 
> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile 
> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong 
> patent portfolio.
> 
> About Nokia
> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced 
> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to 
> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one 
> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and 
> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices 
> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, 
> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital 
> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides 
> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
> 
> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical 
> facts are

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Scott Howell]

That is true and this has been a pissing contest between Nokia and APple for 
some time now. It probably will end up coming down to who has the largest 
bladder. Nokia probably should just sue everyone in this case since it's all 
about the use of GSM.
On May 8, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
> 
> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
>> patents
>> 
>> 
>> NOKIA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
>> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
>> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
>> Nokia patents.
>> 
>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
>> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
>> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
>> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
>> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>> 
>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
>> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
>> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
>> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>> 
>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
>> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
>> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
>> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
>> patent portfolio.
>> 
>> About Nokia
>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
>> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
>> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
>> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
>> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
>> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
>> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
>> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>> 
>> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
>> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
>> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
>> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
>> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
>> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
>> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
>> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
>> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
>> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
>> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
>> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
>> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
>> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
>> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
>> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
>> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
>> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
>> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
>> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
>> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
>> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
>> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
>> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
>> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
>> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
>> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
>> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our
>> business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device
>> market and the services market; 4) the i

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Ricardo Walker]

Why do you hope Nokia looses?  Just curious.
On May 8, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big 
> time 
> On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
>> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
>> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
>> 
>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
>>> patents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NOKIA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
>>> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
>>> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
>>> Nokia patents.
>>> 
>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
>>> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
>>> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
>>> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
>>> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>>> 
>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
>>> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
>>> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
>>> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>>> 
>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
>>> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
>>> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
>>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
>>> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
>>> patent portfolio.
>>> 
>>> About Nokia
>>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
>>> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
>>> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
>>> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
>>> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
>>> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
>>> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
>>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
>>> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>>> 
>>> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
>>> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
>>> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
>>> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
>>> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
>>> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
>>> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
>>> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
>>> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
>>> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
>>> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
>>> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
>>> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
>>> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
>>> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
>>> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
>>> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
>>> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
>>> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
>>> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
>>> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
>>> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
>>> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
>>> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
>>> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
>>> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
>>> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
>>> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our
>>> business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device
>>> market and the services

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Sarah Alawami]

Poeple are very picky about there pattents. I realise the good of patents but 
one misuse and you are inb ig trouble.

S
On May 8, 2010, at 4:58 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

> there's more patent law suits than I care to think about.
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 00:14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
>> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
>> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
>> 
>> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
>>> patents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NOKIA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
>>> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
>>> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
>>> Nokia patents.
>>> 
>>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
>>> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
>>> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
>>> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
>>> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>>> 
>>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
>>> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
>>> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
>>> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>>> 
>>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
>>> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
>>> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
>>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
>>> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
>>> patent portfolio.
>>> 
>>> About Nokia
>>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
>>> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
>>> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
>>> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
>>> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
>>> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
>>> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
>>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
>>> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>>> 
>>> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
>>> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
>>> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
>>> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
>>> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
>>> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
>>> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
>>> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
>>> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
>>> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
>>> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
>>> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
>>> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
>>> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
>>> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
>>> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
>>> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
>>> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
>>> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
>>> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
>>> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
>>> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
>>> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
>>> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
>>> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
>>> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
>>> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
>>> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our
>>> business and operations to the requirements of the conv

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Sarah Alawami]

agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big 
time 
On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
> 
> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
>> patents
>> 
>> 
>> NOKIA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
>> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
>> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
>> Nokia patents.
>> 
>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
>> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
>> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
>> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
>> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>> 
>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
>> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
>> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
>> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>> 
>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
>> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
>> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
>> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
>> patent portfolio.
>> 
>> About Nokia
>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
>> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
>> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
>> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
>> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
>> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
>> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
>> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>> 
>> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
>> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
>> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
>> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
>> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
>> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
>> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
>> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
>> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
>> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
>> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
>> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
>> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
>> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
>> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
>> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
>> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
>> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
>> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
>> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
>> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
>> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
>> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
>> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
>> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
>> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
>> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
>> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our
>> business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device
>> market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the
>> various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve
>> our market position or respond successfully to changes i

RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Bryan Smart]

The article says
--
During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion 
in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's 
strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. 
--

Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents.

Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. 
They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget 
with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage 
system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a 
membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for 
inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might 
not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even 
care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, 
demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file 
and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll 
sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then 
you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, 
and they'll be back to business as usual.

Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple 
deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to 
win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia 
can make life very unpleasant for them.

The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while 
giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming 
alliances of threat.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM
To: mac vissionaries
Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia 
patents

Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents


NOKIA



Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents




Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against 
Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, 
alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important 
Nokia patents.

The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data 
transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in 
antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing 
smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important 
to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.

"Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile 
devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We 
have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development 
and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."

During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion 
in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's 
strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. 
Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile 
communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong 
patent portfolio.

About Nokia
At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced 
technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to 
what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one 
another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and 
high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices 
with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, 
apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital 
mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides 
equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.

FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical 
facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those 
regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and 
their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize 
new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) 
expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) 
expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, 
prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their 
combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational 
priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and 
threatened litigation; G) expectations 

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[marie Howarth]

there's more patent law suits than I care to think about.

On 9 May 2010, at 00:14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
> to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
> really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.
> 
> On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
>> patents
>> 
>> 
>> NOKIA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
>> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
>> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
>> Nokia patents.
>> 
>> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
>> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
>> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
>> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
>> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>> 
>> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
>> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
>> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
>> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>> 
>> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
>> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
>> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
>> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
>> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
>> patent portfolio.
>> 
>> About Nokia
>> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
>> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
>> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
>> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
>> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
>> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
>> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
>> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
>> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>> 
>> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
>> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
>> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
>> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
>> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
>> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
>> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
>> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
>> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
>> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
>> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
>> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
>> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
>> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
>> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
>> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
>> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
>> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
>> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
>> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
>> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
>> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
>> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
>> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
>> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
>> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
>> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
>> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our
>> business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device
>> market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the
>> various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve
>> our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive
>> environ

Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just
to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not
really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you.

On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia
> patents
>
>
> NOKIA
>
>
>
> Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
>
>
>
>
> Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against
> Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin,
> alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important
> Nokia patents.
>
> The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data
> transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in
> antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing
> smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important
> to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
>
> "Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile
> devices" said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. "We
> have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development
> and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation."
>
> During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion
> in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's
> strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families.
> Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile
> communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong
> patent portfolio.
>
> About Nokia
> At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced
> technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to
> what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one
> another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and
> high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices
> with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps,
> apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital
> mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides
> equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally.
>
> FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
> It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical
> facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those
> regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and
> their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize
> new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C)
> expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D)
> expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share,
> prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their
> combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational
> priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and
> threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion
> of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to
> achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any
> such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by "believe,"
> "expect," "anticipate," "foresee," "target," "estimate," "designed,"
> "plans," "will" or similar expressions. These statements are based on
> management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information
> currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties,
> actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently
> expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not
> limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products
> and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and
> successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and
> commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their
> combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and
> content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our
> devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our
> business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device
> market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the
> various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve
> our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive
> environment; 5) the occurrence of any actual or even alleged defects or
> other quality, safety or security issues in our products and services and
> their combinations; 6) the development of the mobile and fixed
> commu