Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
Well, here's one non-partisan truth: The Government can't give anything to anybody without first taking it from someone else (and taking a cut along the way). > -Original Message- > From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 3:16 PM > > I'm not sure "truthful information" really exists anymore. I read both sides > and figure they're both lying about 50%. The Dems say the economy is > plugging along swimmingly and with more government intervention we'll > have a utopia. The Republicans say everything sucks and until every last > liberal is shot and buried and companies are allowed to run roughshod over > everything God will continue to bring his wrath down upon us. > I take from that if we basically leave things alone it'll probably be > alright. So > far I've yet to be proven wrong. > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant lives in the desert. Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably 500 miles away... ;) Of course. I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" > signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid > to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and > Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there > because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot > in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go > there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online. > Their customer service sucks. > The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" > which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of > mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says > they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really > wants to work. > Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the > entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to > be CEO in 2 years... > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been > cooked. > > Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the > closed businesses. > > The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by > new industry. > > "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are > scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are > flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined.. > > Doesn't fly... > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody > would > > > be in prison. > > > -Curt > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > > > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > > > > > --R > > > > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > > > improve > > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend > > on > > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been > > hoping > > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz
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Grant wrote: > ...someone in China will take the order, along with others, buy some scrap, > smelt it > down, make new parts, and ship one to me... RONG!!! Someone tell Grant his email has been hacked!! The real Grant does not see China!! i.e. smelt metal from China for parts? - that is not the Grant I know. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would be > in prison. > Aren't we? ...in prison?... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > Good news is that the influx of new material will result in better quality > metals for awhile. Using all scrap gradually degrades production... > sCrap also degrades life, i.e. worldwide temperature increase. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm not sure "truthful information" really exists anymore. I read both sides and figure they're both lying about 50%. The Dems say the economy is plugging along swimmingly and with more government intervention we'll have a utopia. The Republicans say everything sucks and until every last liberal is shot and buried and companies are allowed to run roughshod over everything God will continue to bring his wrath down upon us. I take from that if we basically leave things alone it'll probably be alright. So far I've yet to be proven wrong. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Grant lives in the desert. Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably 500 miles away... ;) Of course. I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online. Their customer service sucks. The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really wants to work. Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to be CEO in 2 years... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been cooked. Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the closed businesses. The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by new industry. "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined.. Doesn't fly... On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would > > be in prison. > > -Curt > > > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > > > --R > > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > > improve > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend > on > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been > hoping > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change deliver
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Actually Andrew my room mate died last November she now votes Democrat.. Use of the words "truth" and "democrat" or "republican" in the same sentence is, I believe, an "un-truth" in action. I'm sure I could introduce you to many interesting geological formations in the some 5,000 ft of old mine shafts on the Ranch. Since you live where the sun never shines [DC], the deep underground dark shouldn't be to radical of a change.. ha.. ;) On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Grant lives in the desert. Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with > whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably > 500 miles away... > > ;) Of course. I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously. > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" > > signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too > stupid > > to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and > > Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go > there > > because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home > Depot > > in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to > go > > there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or > online. > > Their customer service sucks. > > The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" > > which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of > > mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he > says > > they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really > > wants to work. > > Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the > > entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going > to > > be CEO in 2 years... > > -Curt > > > > From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been > > cooked. > > > > Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the > > closed businesses. > > > > The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by > > new industry. > > > > "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are > > scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are > > flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined.. > > > > Doesn't fly... > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody > > would > > > > be in prison. > > > > -Curt > > > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > > > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > > > > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > > > > > > > --R > > > > > > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > > > > improve > > > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and > spend > > > on > > > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad > business > > > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been > > > hoping > > > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary. > > > > &
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andrew sez: Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! Wow! I thought you had a kolledge debree! You sure fall for the ministry of propaganda line. Almost 100 million out of 350 million are unemployed. You do the math. It ain't 5%. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Speaking of jobs, there's a growing need for diesel mechanics, esp. in Idaho: http://magicvalley.com/news/local/mini-cassia/crtc-lauches-diesel-tech-program/article_e5ff8b8f-2b5d-57ba-bd2a-5b99fe3043d9.html On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'm not sure "truthful information" really exists anymore. I read both > sides and figure they're both lying about 50%. The Dems say the economy is > plugging along swimmingly and with more government intervention we'll have > a utopia. The Republicans say everything sucks and until every last liberal > is shot and buried and companies are allowed to run roughshod over > everything God will continue to bring his wrath down upon us. > I take from that if we basically leave things alone it'll probably be > alright. So far I've yet to be proven wrong. > -Curt > > From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> > To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > Grant lives in the desert. Cut him some slack - the nearest Democrat with > whom he can have human contact to receive Truthful Information is probably > 500 miles away... > > ;) Of course. I actually think Grant and I would hit it off famously. > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" > signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid > to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and > Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there > because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot > in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go > there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online. > Their customer service sucks. > The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" > which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of > mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says > they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really > wants to work. > Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the > entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to > be CEO in 2 years... > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been > cooked. > > Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the > closed businesses. > > The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by > new industry. > > "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are > scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are > flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined.. > > Doesn't fly... > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody > would > > > be in prison. > > > -Curt > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > > > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > > > > > --R > > > > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > > > improve > > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend > > on > > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which re
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When I was in high school getting ready to graduate I would get loads of brochures from various schools. One I recall fondly was the H. O. Balls School of Auto-Diesel Mechanics --R On 9/8/15 3:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Speaking of jobs, there's a growing need for diesel mechanics, esp. in Idaho: http://magicvalley.com/news/local/mini-cassia/crtc-lauches-diesel-tech-program/article_e5ff8b8f-2b5d-57ba-bd2a-5b99fe3043d9.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's Obama's fault that people have to work to make a living. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yeah, sorta. They don't count people that stopped looking for jobs though. > Whats more important is that new unemployment claims are down and people > willing to quit their jobs are up. > Unemployment numbers usually jump up a little to indicate a rising economy > as people that had previously been out of the workforce start looking > again. We saw that some time ago. I personally think things are better than > the economists let on, they're the worst bunch of pile-on idiots I've ever > seen. No economist actually wants to get caught saying something so he just > repeats whatever the other guys are already saying. Thus the economy is bad > long before anybody really knows about it because they're all busy telling > you the good times will last for ever. Then when things have turned around > they're spending all their time telling you that the sky is falling so they > don't notice... > > -Curt > From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> > To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would > be in prison. > -Curt > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > --R > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > improve > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping > > for". Your personal mileage may vary. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't hold that against Obama, its been the policy for a long time. I can't remember when it started though. I'm thinking during the New Deal so under FDR's watch, but I can't be sure of that. Not so much Obama but Nancy P and her crowd would just pay people who weren't working because "the government can take care of you". Read the Honor Harrington series by David Webber, its a classic "Space Opera" and one of the governments in it is clearly a "Social Democracy" with a rabble of people on the basic living wage (ie welfare) and the economy of the place relies on expansion and taxation of an increasingly small number of people actually willing to work. So they invade "The kingdom" (a constitutional monarchy) to "release the riches of the people" etc...The first couple books are great, lots of space battles and action. As they go on the start to drag. I nearly quit in book 8 because its all boring exposition about this or that political maneuver, apparently book 9 is worse so I haven't tried it... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now It's Obama's fault that people have to work to make a living. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yeah, sorta. They don't count people that stopped looking for jobs though. Whats more important is that new unemployment claims are down and people willing to quit their jobs are up. Unemployment numbers usually jump up a little to indicate a rising economy as people that had previously been out of the workforce start looking again. We saw that some time ago. I personally think things are better than the economists let on, they're the worst bunch of pile-on idiots I've ever seen. No economist actually wants to get caught saying something so he just repeats whatever the other guys are already saying. Thus the economy is bad long before anybody really knows about it because they're all busy telling you the good times will last for ever. Then when things have turned around they're spending all their time telling you that the sky is falling so they don't notice... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would be in prison. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 years has been for the middle class. Such irony... --R On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to improve > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping > for". Your personal mileage may vary. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
Yeah, sorta. They don't count people that stopped looking for jobs though. Whats more important is that new unemployment claims are down and people willing to quit their jobs are up. Unemployment numbers usually jump up a little to indicate a rising economy as people that had previously been out of the workforce start looking again. We saw that some time ago. I personally think things are better than the economists let on, they're the worst bunch of pile-on idiots I've ever seen. No economist actually wants to get caught saying something so he just repeats whatever the other guys are already saying. Thus the economy is bad long before anybody really knows about it because they're all busy telling you the good times will last for ever. Then when things have turned around they're spending all their time telling you that the sky is falling so they don't notice... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would be in prison. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 years has been for the middle class. Such irony... --R On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to improve > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping > for". Your personal mileage may vary. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The price of scrap metals is also down because of overproduction of raw materials. There are several new mines in Australia that MUST produce to pay the creditors, normally a mine would shut down in view of the low commodity price but they can't. Good news is that the influx of new material will result in better quality metals for awhile. Using all scrap gradually degrades production... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Sorry Andrew.. you are using "co-mingled logic".. Inflation is a stand alone issue. Scrap prices are a stand alone issue. Raw material demand drives scrap price far more than dollar value. Same for crude oil, and other commodities. When American economy thrives, Americans consume more than any other country in the world, per capita, and pay for it because we are all "rich" by comparison. Those countries buy raw materials and convert them to finished goods with cheap labor and lack of EPA style government intervention, for sale to their number one customer, USA. Sales are flat lined, future orders are flat lined, and thus, production at these "raw product buyer" countries is flat lined. China, when USA economy was booming pre 2008, was paying over $300 per ton of scrap steel and couldn't get enough to fill manufacturing orders in the que.. Now... very low demand due to low sales of finished goods.. because Americans are not buying.. When America stops buying, other countries stop producing, their workers stop working, and paying taxes, feeding their families. Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to improve Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend on things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been hoping for". Your personal mileage may vary. Diesel price here is now $2.19 per gallon... so I may start driving more.. which will drive demand up, and ultimately, the price of crude.. Eventually, I will wear out a part on the Mercedes, need a new one, someone in China will take the order, along with others, buy some scrap, smelt it down, make new parts, and ship one to me... Respectfully, Grant... On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Sounds like you would be singing Obama's praise if we had rampant > inflation... > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Loren Faeth via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Interesting explanation. > > > > > > > http://www.rabin.com/meet/Blog/August-2015/Market-Watch-The-Scrap-Metal-Industry.aspx > > > > Scrap metal prices have always been a indicator of world economic health. > > Low scrap prices = depression on the way. High scrap prices = boom > coming. > > > > Scrap metals, rendered oils and protein, foods, pretroleum, pretty much > > all the commodities are at lows that were unthinkable a couple years ago > in > > the 'bummer depression. > > > > > > As a practical comparison, 4 yrs ago, a 5-7 yr old dogde van was worth > > $8-10k from private sellers. This week I saw 5-7 yr old dogde vans > mostly > > around $5K from private sellers. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been cooked. Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the closed businesses. The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by new industry. "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined.. Doesn't fly... On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would > > be in prison. > > -Curt > > > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > > > --R > > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > > improve > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend > on > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been > hoping > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
Your view doesn't fly either, drive around and look at the "help wanted" signs.The businesses that went out of main street were the ones too stupid to realize that customer service was going to save the day. Wal-Mart and Home Depot can't match my local hardware store and lumber yard. I go there because they know me and they'll help me. In fact I walk out of Home Depot in frustration more than I buy something, I don't even know why I try to go there other than to look at things that I end up buying locally or online. Their customer service sucks. The problem is the people that won't take jobs that are "beneath them" which is where traditionally the illegal alien has come in. A friend of mine runs a fish farm where they raise fish for fancy restaurants, he says they can't keep staff and have a hard time finding anybody that really wants to work. Mike Rowe has an excellent Facebook feed where he talks about the entitlement culture and how young people seem to all think they're going to be CEO in 2 years... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now Not true, and not a valid accounting of unemployment. The books have been cooked. Drive down any main street in any town in America today and count the closed businesses. The cumulative effect is jobs lost in every one of them, not replaced by new industry. "Creative reporting" to get re-elected ... facts are facts.. jobs are scarce, hours worked are down, if you have one, manufacturing orders are flat lined, so new hires to fill future orders are flat lined.. Doesn't fly... On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last I heard unemployment was down to 5 %. BAD Obama! > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > But lets face it, if saying something stupid was a crime everybody would > > be in prison. > > -Curt > > > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now > > > > Crazy Uncle Joe was out this weekend complaining how bad the last 4 > > years has been for the middle class. Such irony... > > > > --R > > > > On 9/8/15 1:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes didn't write: > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, whom you give reference to, has done nothing visible to > > improve > > > Americas economy in the past 6 1/2 years except borrow more and spend > on > > > things like Solandra, and bank bailouts, which rewarded bad business > > > practice. So, by my rules, he has not been the "change we've been > hoping > > > for". Your personal mileage may vary. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why your junker ain't worth as much now
Sounds like you would be singing Obama's praise if we had rampant inflation... On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Loren Faeth via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Interesting explanation. > > > http://www.rabin.com/meet/Blog/August-2015/Market-Watch-The-Scrap-Metal-Industry.aspx > > Scrap metal prices have always been a indicator of world economic health. > Low scrap prices = depression on the way. High scrap prices = boom coming. > > Scrap metals, rendered oils and protein, foods, pretroleum, pretty much > all the commodities are at lows that were unthinkable a couple years ago in > the 'bummer depression. > > > As a practical comparison, 4 yrs ago, a 5-7 yr old dogde van was worth > $8-10k from private sellers. This week I saw 5-7 yr old dogde vans mostly > around $5K from private sellers. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com