Upgrading from 1.62 to 2.01.3

2003-10-27 Thread Wayne Howard
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed. I did a quick
search of past messages and did not find what I was looking for:

I am finally ready to give the new version a try. What is the best way
to proceed?

1) Backup first

2) Install the new without uninstalling the old?

3) Uninstall the old and restore the backup?

4) Anything else I should consider?

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Re[2]: : "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Neal Laugman
Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:28:12 PM, Perry wrote:

PN> Hi Joseph,

PN> Monday, October 27, 2003, 8:06:17 PM, you wrote:

JN>> I've started using one of those password generators on occasion,
JN>> because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But
JN>> now I need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to
JN>> keep them in mind.

PN>   I've used Counterpane's Password Safe for a long time, and it
PN>   contains a password generator as well.  You might want to check it
PN>   out at ...

PN>   http://www.schneier.com/passsafe.html

Also their is PINS:

http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/pins.html

This is a SourceForge/Delphi app that uses blowfish to. Seems to be
pretty tight.


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Re: Re : Re : Unable to install French language interface

2003-10-27 Thread Urban
Saturday, October 25, 2003, Cedric Fontaine wrote:

> Bonjour !

> Le 25 octobre 2003 à 02:24:58, vous écriviez :

RO>> Hallo Cedric,

RO>> Since the software is changing, the strings for the interface are
RO>> changing too. As the foreign interface are maintained by volunteers,
RO>> it's possible that Ritlabs only keeps those interfaces that are still
RO>> being maintained.

> Who shall I contact to maintain the french interface?


Try Max Masiutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - he might help you. IIRC, he's the
 guy you normally contact if you want to translate the interface. 

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Re[2]: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Vishal
Hi Martin

Monday, October 27, 2003, 4:48:28 PM, you wrote:

JN>> They are two separate issues. A misused password can wreak boundless
JN>> havoc for years after the incident.

MW> You use one password for everything?

This issue is completely separate from the one of a misused password. You can
have as many as you like, but if you don't change them, then it doesn't make any
difference. Any one of them can be compromised and used for years.

MW> And continue to use it after the possibility of it being compromised?

Often, the victim has no idea that he has been compromised. The situation
described, where someone other than yourself is reading your email, is exactly
one of these. If the attacker merely wants to read your mail without your
knowing, and does not change anything, there is no reason for the average user
to suspect wrongdoing. And therefore no reason to change his password. Even
users who would not typically be considered 'average' grow complacent enough
that this occurs often.

MW> Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC to a
MW> stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards?

I'm not sure what your point here is..did I miss something in the discussion?

MW> Certainly, if you're that concerned about password security you
MW> shouldn't save it in the first place; it's an option after all. :-)

True.

MW> Still more probable than a complete stranger sitting in front of my PC
MW> and reeking havoc with his hex editor. (assuming he can log on and
MW> access my folders) I think someone would notice that! :-)

This is actually completely unnecessary if this stranger somehow manages to
install a trojan on your machine remotely. Compress it, encrypt it, bind it to
an innocuous file type and most antiviruses will not catch it. No need to log
on, the program could be made to run with your privileges. No need for a hex
editor since he's not modifying anything. Most advanced trojans have impressive
capabilities when it comes to downloading and uploading anything from your
machine, so he could simply download the message files and .cfg files to his own
machine and play in peace :) Hell, if he did want to wreak havoc, he could even
fire up the hex editor and look through your downloaded EXEs.

All this said, using PGPDisk and not using default installation paths is the way
to go if you have reason to anticipate security breaches. Or use SecureBat,
which I'll take the other posters' word for, is designed to be more secure.

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Re:: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Perry Nelson
Hi Joseph,

Monday, October 27, 2003, 8:06:17 PM, you wrote:

JN> I've started using one of those password generators on occasion,
JN> because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But
JN> now I need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to
JN> keep them in mind.

  I've used Counterpane's Password Safe for a long time, and it
  contains a password generator as well.  You might want to check it
  out at ...

  http://www.schneier.com/passsafe.html

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 Perry   

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Re[2]: TB! 2

2003-10-27 Thread Douglas Hinds

Hello Mark & other TB! list members following this thread,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, you explained:

MW> 1.63 allows for the use of plugins,

What kind of plugins?

MW> which you're not using anyway in
MW> 1.62.

Just the AVG plugin.

MW> That's about it, except for some SmartBat / scheduling features.

I'd rather download my mail manually. I use the Mail Dispatcher for
almost all accounts, so I need to eyeball my mail. I also use
selective download, but want to double check what's it's doing and
make my decisions in real time. There is no way I could completely
automate that flexibility, although some think I'm spending too much
time on it. (My mother taught reading and I skim like a champ).

MW> If missing out on these doesn't bother you, then there's no
MW> reason to go hunt down one of the betas.

Without knowing what kind of plugin's are available, it's hard to
say.

MW> The folder and file formats are the same and you shouldn't have
MW> any trouble switching back and forth.

Does that hold true for 1.62, 1.63 & v. 2?

MW> I was actually using beta 9 for a bit, but then I had to rebuild this
MW> computer a couple of days ago and lost the link. I'll have to put it
MW> back and get back to SP4 at the same time.

You hadn't backed up your hard drive(s).

Thanks for the response.
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Re: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Steve Thomas
Hello Joseph,

Monday, October 27, 2003, 5:06:17 PM, you wrote:

JN> But now I
JN> need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to keep them in
JN> mind. But, of course, the place to store them needs to be encrypted
JN> and passworded, so I need a password for that  :-)


I manage a ton of passwords, not only for myself, but for my clients
as well.  I use a product called SplashID from www.splasdata.com.  It
operates on both my desktop and my Palm so I always have the data
available, and yes, you do need to remember that ONE password.

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Re[2]: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Joseph N.
   On Monday, October 27, 2003, Martin Webster wrote in
:

MW>  Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC
MW> to a stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards?

Martin,

Certainly a good point.

I've started using one of those password generators on occasion,
because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But now I
need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to keep them in
mind. But, of course, the place to store them needs to be encrypted
and passworded, so I need a password for that  :-)

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Nick Andriash
Hello Marck,

Monday, October 27, 2003, 5:03:30 PM, you wrote:

> The address picker allows access to alternate addresses for a given
> entry. Click on the right-most icon (hint text is 'address book') in
> a message address line to get to the address picker. Right click on
> the AB entry in the let hand list box.

Thanks for the tip... I could see where you call the AB up, but I didn't
bother to right click on individual entries to see the alternate
addresses. Thanks Marck...

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Marck,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 4:03:30 PM PST, you wrote:

> Click on the right-most icon (hint text is 'address book') in a
> message address line to get to the address picker. Right click on
> the AB entry in the let hand list box. If it has alternate address,
> that's how you can get to them.

Hmmm.  While my method is a little more trouble to set up (separate
AB entries for the same person), it seems a little faster when in use.

The method above requires three mouse clicks and likely a bit of
scrolling as well. Using my AB "favorites" menus from either the "new
message" button on the main TB! window, or right-clicking in the To,
CC, or BCC fields in the editor only takes two mouse clicks and no
scrolling (well, other than just quickly rolling the mouse down the
list! :-)

> I tend to add multiple address book entries and use  to
> get to them via auto complete. It's easier.

Oh!  This is nice as well!  Thanks Marck!  :-)

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread MAU
Hello Nick,

> What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send that
> particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the looks of it,
> it's not. :o(

See my reply to Roman Katze on 

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread MAU
Hello Roman,

> Example a:
> For my sister, I have two different mail addresses which I use
> according to where she'll read my mails first. I only want to use one
> address at a time.

OK, as Marck tells you: "Alternate addresses for a single address book
entry should be separated on a line of their own in the email address
box."

If you have done so for your sister and you want to send a message to
her, you have two options:

  1.- a) Open your Address Book
  b) Select your sister's name
  c) Right click on it and select:
 New->Message to->the address of your choice
  d) Or select "File/New message to" from the menu instead of c)

  2.- Open the message editor for a new message and, with the cursor in
  the To field:
  a) Click on the "To:" label on the left or the white icon on the
  very right to open the ·E-mail address picker".
  b) Select your sister's name and right click on it
  c) Select "Add address" plus the address of your choice

I have some people in my AB with up to 5 different e-mail addresses.

> Example b:
> For a friend of mine I have two different mail addresses which I both want
> to appear in the Recipient field.

You can use the methods above and include one end then the second or,
perhaps much better, open the Properties of your friend's entry in the
AB, select the New Message tab, tick the box for "Use a specific
template for new message" (if not already ticked) and include the
following line in the template:

%To="Name Surname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Where <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is his second address.

Now, to send a message to your friend, open your AB and double click on
his name. A new message window will open with both addresses in the To
field.

If you want one the second address to be in the CC field, include this
line in your template:

%CC="Name Surname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Roman,

@28-Oct-2003, 00:23 +0100 (28-Oct 23:23 UK time) Roman Katzer [RK]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to
Marck:

>> Please explain how you intend to use these multiple addresses. What
>> you want affects the answer.

RK> Example a: For my sister, I have two different mail addresses
RK> which I use according to where she'll read my mails first. I
RK> only want to use one address at a time.

I tend to add multiple address book entries for this kind of use and
use  to get to them via auto complete. It's easier.

RK> Example b: For a friend of mine I have two different mail
RK> addresses which I both want to appear in the Recipient field.

>> see the "Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field"
>> option on the "Other" tab of the address book entry edit window.

This is the best way to do that.

RK> So there's no other way to use the mail addresses entered in the
RK> field?

Yes - see my reply to Nick Andriash about using the Address Picker
features.

>> If you want an "entry for a group of people" then you should be
>> making a Group and adding an entry in the group for each address.

RK> Ok, I guess that's a bit too clumsy for Example b.

No - it actually doesn't apply at all. It's just that there have
been folks writing in with similar queries who were actually trying
to program up a mailing group as a single address book entry. I
needed to be clear about what you needed to achieve.

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Nick,

@27-Oct-2003, 16:29 -0700 (23:29 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

NA> What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to
NA> send that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB?
NA> By the looks of it, it's not. :o(

Actually, it is :o).

The address picker allows access to alternate addresses for a given
entry. Click on the right-most icon (hint text is 'address book') in
a message address line to get to the address picker. Right click on
the AB entry in the let hand list box. If it has alternate address,
that's how you can get to them.

I tend to add multiple address book entries and use  to
get to them via auto complete. It's easier.

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Nick,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 3:29:48 PM PST, you wrote:

> What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send
> that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the
> looks of it, it's not. :o(

Oops! I also forgot to mention that I can access the "favorites" list
menu from the "new message" drop-down list on the TB! main window
(that little arrow on the right side of the button).

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Nick,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 3:29:48 PM PST, you wrote:

> What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send
> that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the
> looks of it, it's not. :o(

Here's what I do...

I create separate address book entries for one person's various
addresses, then designate each one as a "favorite".  This way, when
I'm in the "To" field, all the addresses are available from the
right-click menu list.

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Nick Andriash
Hello Marck,

Monday, October 27, 2003, 1:14:01 PM, you wrote:

> Alternate addresses for a single address book entry should be
> separated on a line of their own in the email address box. To make
> all messages sent to that individual go to all addresses, see the
> "Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field" option on
> the "Other" tab of the address book entry edit window.

What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send that
particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the looks of it,
it's not. :o(

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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Roman Katzer
Hi Marck,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, 21:14:01, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
RK>> how do I enter multiple addresses for one address book entry?
> Please explain how you intend to use these multiple addresses. What
> you want affects the answer.

Example a:
For my sister, I have two different mail addresses which I use
according to where she'll read my mails first. I only want to use one
address at a time.

Example b:
For a friend of mine I have two different mail addresses which I both want
to appear in the Recipient field.

> Alternate addresses for a single address book entry should be
> separated on a line of their own in the email address box. To make
> all messages sent to that individual go to all addresses, see the
> "Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field" option on
> the "Other" tab of the address book entry edit window.

So there's no other way to use the mail addresses entered in the field?

> If you want an "entry for a group of people" then you should be
> making a Group and adding an entry in the group for each address.

Ok, I guess that's a bit too clumsy for Example b. I don't really want to
create a group which just consists of the two mail addresses of my friend.

Roman

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any IMAP users here ??

2003-10-27 Thread Rob
Hello all,

it was always said that IMAP support in v.1 was really a kind of
POP3-solution and not the 'real thing' where your mail stays on the
server... so i was very glad that v.2 promised better IMAP support. After
some problems i now finally can connect (manually, automatically does not
work ?) with our IMAP server and read my mail. But i noticed that for
messages with attachments it took a long time to load ?!
So i looked in the TB directory for the server and noticed a .tbb (.tbi ?)
file that is already over 40 Mb after an hour of use !!

I checked with an editor and all mail content including attachments is
stored locally on my PC ... is that the way IMAP is supposed to work ? In
comparison, the folder in Mozilla is only 250 Kb and i've been using that
for months ! Attachments are shown but only retrieved when i open them.

All folders are set up as "Don't synchronize" so i wonder why everthing is
downloaded to my PC ...

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Re: PGP - Checking Signature

2003-10-27 Thread Gerard

ON Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:25:40 PM, you wrote:
P> ..nothing earth shattering since it's quite obvious what the box
P> represents.

P> It looks like maybe it can be addressed by the XLAT tables.

P> I just had noticed an increase in the boxes and finally
P> wanted to ask about it.


Hi Pixie,

With the help of another list member, we found that the choice of
character set was to blame. I have since changed my default character
set to ISO-8859-1 and that solved all the problems. I can use the
apostrophe ' and also the ones in the TB! dictionary like ´ and ` and al
will be fine.

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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

2003-10-27 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Gerrit,

On 27 October 2003, 21:07 +0100 ( 20:07 local time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW>> Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example,
MW>> D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing
MW>> lists\TBUDL in TB!

GK> No, i didn't. I made a new common folder Archive and i would like to
GK> store messages in there when i delete or purge them. I get the
GK> mistakes when i try to change the properties-deletion.
GK> I think i can't do that, can i?
GK> My mailinglists are all common folders with no mistakes when i changed
GK> the deletion options.

That's what I mean when I refer to the account tree. I use common
folders too.

To continue the example, I keep messages in my TBUDL folder for 90 days
before they are moved to the corresponding archive folder. To do this
check the following in the Account Properties -> General tab:

- - Keep messages in the base for (days) e.g. 90
- - Remove old messages

And on the Deletion tab:

- - Use folder-specific deletion settings
- - Move to the specified folder (under Alternative deletion) e.g.
Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL
- - Use alternative deletion for purging this folder

With these settings old messages are automatically archived when you
exit the program or use Shift+Delete.

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Re: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Joseph,

On 27 October 2003, 14:45 -0600 ( 20:45 local time) Joseph N. [JN] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW>> Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why
MW>> encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them
MW>> over the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is
MW>> inherently insecure.

JN> Ummm, no one is talking about encrypting the messages, Martin. That's
JN> what SecureBat, disk encryption, or encrypted messages are for.

I know that! I think you may have misunderstood me.

JN> We're talking only about passwords, which pertain not only to
JN> existing content but also to one's identity.

No, you were talking about passwords. The original text by Gautam starts
off by saying messages are stored in plain text. Marck was responding to
the original post and made the point that general purpose applications
are not designed to be as secure as is set out in the referenced text.

JN> They are two separate issues. A misused password can wreak boundless
JN> havoc for years after the incident.

You use one password for everything? And continue to use it after the
possibility of it being compromised? Surely you would change your
password(s) before handing your PC to a stranger? And if you can't
beforehand, afterwards?

Certainly, if you're that concerned about password security you
shouldn't save it in the first place; it's an option after all. :-)

MW>> As for passwords, doesn't the same apply since most POP servers use plain text
MW>> authentication?

JN> No, it doesn't. Security is not a binary choice; there are degrees of
JN> need and degrees of security. The possibility of someone snatching a
JN> password from regular Internet usage is real, but the probability is
JN> low. In any event, (a) most POP servers nowadays probably provide for
JN> MD5 authentication, and (b) the user can choose a provider that does
JN> provide the required level of authentication. Again, it's a matter of
JN> degrees and choice. The problem with an unencrypted password is that
JN> it pretty much vitiates any other choices that have been made.

Still more probable than a complete stranger sitting in front of my PC
and reeking havoc with his hex editor. (assuming he can log on and
access my folders) I think someone would notice that! :-)

MW>> There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and
MW>> Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit
MW>> there's nothing stopping you from doing this now.

JN> I did it a long time ago.

It seemed like the most logical thing to do when the option presented
itself.

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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

2003-10-27 Thread Edgar
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Hello Gerrit,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:57:03 PM, you wrote:

> Hi tbudl,
> I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a
> folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of
> the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an
> error when i browse to  my folder i get an error saying i must use a
> valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive).
> Any suggestions wat is wrong?

I've on my account News the folder TBUDL.
I've created a common folder called archive.
Than one folder below that called TBUDL.

Then I go to the TBUDL folder in my account News and I set the
deletion to alternative and move to folder \\\Archief\TBUDL.
Select compress automatically and on the first tab hold messages
for 40 days.

This works without an error.
I can change the \\\Archief\TBUDL to an other folder (Which I
create first) without error.

I've changed the names to \\\Archive\TBUDL (had to select the
folder again on the deletion page since it kept the \\\Archief
name) But this works also without error.

Did you first create the common folder?

--
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 Edgar

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Re[2]: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Joseph N.
   On Monday, October 27, 2003, Martin Webster wrote in
:

MW> Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why
MW> encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them
MW> over the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is
MW> inherently insecure.

Ummm, no one is talking about encrypting the messages, Martin. That's
what SecureBat, disk encryption, or encrypted messages are for. We're
talking only about passwords, which pertain not only to existing
content but also to one's identity. They are two separate issues. A
misused password can wreak boundless havoc for years after the
incident.

MW> As for passwords, doesn't the same apply since most POP servers use plain text
MW> authentication?

No, it doesn't. Security is not a binary choice; there are degrees of
need and degrees of security. The possibility of someone snatching a
password from regular Internet usage is real, but the probability is
low. In any event, (a) most POP servers nowadays probably provide for
MD5 authentication, and (b) the user can choose a provider that does
provide the required level of authentication. Again, it's a matter of
degrees and choice. The problem with an unencrypted password is that
it pretty much vitiates any other choices that have been made.

MW> There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and
MW> Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit
MW> there's nothing stopping you from doing this now.

I did it a long time ago.

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RE:"Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Jurgen Haug
Privet Vasiliy,

Monday, October 27, 2003, 8:09:14 PM, you wrote:

> I'm  not  sure that I correct understand what you means but try to ask
> on this.
> I  think  that  some  people  has  their some reasons to prevents some
> information  from "strange eyes". And choosing of SB! as email program
> is not a paranoia.
> As about me. I don't use encrypted disk(s) for storage TB!'s mails and
> others  information  because  it  is not necessary now and I know that
> nobody  don't able to access into my computer (at home). But I believe
> that  at office are very useful utilities for restricting of access to
> computer.

that's exactly what I meant. I just tried to say it in a mildly ironic way, that's 
all. If I'd have sound reasons to worry, then I just thought SB would be the right 
thing.
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Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Roman,

@27-Oct-2003, 20:18 +0100 (19:18 UK time) Roman Katzer [RK] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RK> how do I enter multiple addresses for one address book entry?

Please explain how you intend to use these multiple addresses. What
you want affects the answer.

Alternate addresses for a single address book entry should be
separated on a line of their own in the email address box. To make
all messages sent to that individual go to all addresses, see the
"Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field" option on
the "Other" tab of the address book entry edit window.

If you want an "entry for a group of people" then you should be
making a Group and adding an entry in the group for each address.

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Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)

2003-10-27 Thread Gerrit Kruijer
Hi Martin,
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 19:16:02 [GMT +] (which was 20:16 where I
live) you wrote:

MW> Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example,
MW> D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing
MW> lists\TBUDL in TB!

No, i didn't. I made a new common folder Archive and i would like to
store messages in there when i delete or purge them. I get the
mistakes when i try to change the properties-deletion.
I think i can't do that, can i?
My mailinglists are all common folders with no mistakes when i changed
the deletion options.



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Re: My cable is floopy tonight-now PGP verified?

2003-10-27 Thread Paul Cartwright

On Monday, October 27, 2003, 11:02 AM, you wrote:

>> what, so what does the check mark mean in the envelope? to make SURE it
>> hasn't been tampered with I need to hit the question mark and test it??

TF> No, it just means the message has been signed. In order to check
TF> whether it has been tampered with, you will have to check the
TF> signature every time you open the message.

OOOooh, so I at least need to check it the first time I open it. It
didn't register with me that to verify it at least ONCE I need to click
on the question mark. Have you EVER had a signed message that was NOT
verified???


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Re[2]: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Vasiliy Efimenko
Hello Jurgen,

On 27 October 2003, at 10:25:40 +0100 you wrote:

JH> isn't SecureBat! the Paranoia's choice of email program?

I'm  not  sure that I correct understand what you means but try to ask
on this.
I  think  that  some  people  has  their some reasons to prevents some
information  from "strange eyes". And choosing of SB! as email program
is not a paranoia.
As about me. I don't use encrypted disk(s) for storage TB!'s mails and
others  information  because  it  is not necessary now and I know that
nobody  don't able to access into my computer (at home). But I believe
that  at office are very useful utilities for restricting of access to
computer.

-- 
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 Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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multiple addresses for one address book entry

2003-10-27 Thread Roman Katzer
Hello List,

how do I enter multiple addresses for one address book entry?
If I separate the entries with semicolons, the address line will be
defective after auto-completion , same with commas. Separating mail
addresses with spaces concatenates them after auto-completion. Using a CR
after each address will only let the top-most address appear.

Roman, confused


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Re: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Simon
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Hello SyP,

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:47:23 +0100 your time, you said:

S> I'd like if someone dissected these claims...

Personally  I've  _never_ installed TB! to the Program Files directory
or  kept  my  message  base in the same place as the TB! installation.
Many  common  exploits  rely  on  default installations so it's just a
precautionary measure.

Of course it's wise to relocate your message base if you have concerns
about  security, or even for convenience. And if you have big concerns
about  security  I would have thought you'd be using Secure Bat and or
employing other measures as well.

Anyhow,  if you are worried about your passwords being compromised, or
you  just like to know that your email is protected at all times, then
you  can  store your mailbase on any secure disk. I use PGP Disk under
W2K  Pro  and  store,  amongst  other things, TB!'s message base on an
encrypted  volume.  Before that my email base was stored together with
my PGP Keys on a removable CF card connected via a USB CF reader - now
the  CF  card  holds  only  my  keys  and  certs.  These are both very
inexpensive and simple ways to secure your mail should you need to.

I do think the claims are legitimate, but I don't really think they're
that important ;-)

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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

2003-10-27 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Gerrit,

On 27 October 2003, 18:57 +0100 ( 17:57 local time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

GK> I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a
GK> folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of
GK> the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an
GK> error when i browse to  my folder i get an error saying i must use a
GK> valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive).
GK> Any suggestions wat is wrong?

Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example,
D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing
lists\TBUDL in TB!

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Martin Webster

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Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)

2003-10-27 Thread Gerrit Kruijer
Hi Pixie,
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 13:59:23 [GMT -0500] (which was 19:59 where I
live) you wrote:


P> Try tweaking the archive folder properties some, retrying the
P> alternative delete setup, that helped here FWIW.

That works. Thank you.


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Re: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Martin,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 10:10:17 AM PST, you wrote:

> There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and
> Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option.
> Albeit there's nothing stopping you from doing this now.

I keep my TB! mail folder in an encrypted disk volume (PGPdisk) in a
non-standard location, and when it's not in use (unmounted), it's not
easily found (and of course, it remains encrypted).

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Re: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Martin Webster
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Hello Joseph,

On 27 October 2003, 09:22 -0600 ( 15:22 local time) Joseph N. [JN] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Of course, these are not "bugs". They are deliberate design
>> decisions. Anyone running in so insecure an environment to make this
>> so called "vulnerability" an issue should consider a more expensive
>> solution - like SB or TB Pro.

JN> While I agree in general with your response to the issue, the fact
JN> remains that third party access to hard drives is conceivable in any
JN> number of innocent situations, most commonly repair scenarios. A
JN> minimal change in the configuration--encrypting account
JN> passwords--would go a long way toward preserving the current security
JN> model of limited account access.

I have to go with Marck on this one. The same argument can be applied to
just about any application. If someone's that concerned about security
they make sure their applications operate in a secure environment.

Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why
encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them over
the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is inherently insecure.

As for passwords, doesn't the same apply since most POP servers use plain text
authentication?

There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and
Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit
there's nothing stopping you from doing this now.

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Martin Webster

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Archiving (was too many mails)

2003-10-27 Thread Gerrit Kruijer
Hi tbudl,
I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a
folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of
the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an
error when i browse to  my folder i get an error saying i must use a
valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive).
Any suggestions wat is wrong?
  

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Re: %ATTACHFILE with variable filepath

2003-10-27 Thread MAU
Hello Roelof,

> Note that it uses a %- macro immediately after the %ABToFirstName
> macro, that's not because that's required by this macro, but otherwise
> TB doesn't know where the macro-name stops and continues till the dot.

That _was_ the problem. I now tried including the %- and it does work.

I owe you a beer ;-)

Anyway, just prior to reading your message, I had found an alternative
solution using variables (I had forgot about v2 variables). So, what I
did for todays mailout was:

%_Tx1("D:\userfiles\")
%_Tx2("_User.pdf")
%ATTACHFILE="%:Tx1%AbToZIP%_Tx2"

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Re: %ATTACHFILE with variable filepath

2003-10-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo MAU,

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:48:17 +0100GMT (27-10-03, 16:48 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

M> However, I can't get to properly concatenate and compose the "filepath"
M> for %ATTACHFILE by using the fixed directory, the variable part of the
M> file name from %AbToZIP and the "_User.pdf" part.

I did a little testing and this mavro behaved like you intended, be it
that it uses the first name instead of the Zip code:

%AttachFile="D:\Mijn documenten\%ABToFirstName%-_User.txt"

Note that it uses a %- macro immediately after the %ABToFirstName
macro, that's not because that's required by this macro, but otherwise
TB doesn't know where the macro-name stops and continues till the dot.
And since %ABToFirstName_User isn't a valid macro, TB doesn't insert
any text at all.
I suppose that the same goes for %ABToZip_User.

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Re: My cable is floopy tonight-now PGP verified?

2003-10-27 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Thomas,

on Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:02:44 +0700GMT (27.10.03, 17:02 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

TF> In order to check whether it has been tampered with, you will have
TF> to check the signature every time you open the message.

>> right, sure, I'll do that every time I open the message I DON'T
>> THINK SO I'll settle for the envelope check mark..

TF> Me neither. If I want to check whether the signature is valid (i.e.
TF> the message hasn't been tampered with) I do it when I first open it,
TF> but not each time. My choice.

Sure. You can know that nothing has been changed after your first
checking. The Bat! can't, so she will display the unknown (or
un-decrypted) icon every time a message is re-opened...

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Re: Purchased the Bat!

2003-10-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Melissa,

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:30:40 -0800 GMT (27/10/2003, 00:30 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

>> I would not recommend this product to my parents or other non-geeks,

> On the other hand...I did get my mother - who is impressively
> non-computer literate - to use TB!. I did this *because* of her lack
> of geekiness, as she was constantly infecting her machine with viruses
> and worms with the help of OE! :-)

My mother, when she was fed up with AOL/Germany's "customer service",
wanted another email address. But she didn't want OL/OE to pop-check
it, because she didn't want to be vulnerable to viruses. So TB is what
she uses for that account; she uses no geeky features, no special
templates, just out-of-the-box.

(She is also back to AOL for some reason and therefore now has two
email addresses. But she uses TB for the other one without
difficulties.)

Another example is my prof, who changed from Eudora Pro to TB (and
paid for it) because there was one single feature missing in Eudora,
and he hasn't looked back since. And he is also a non-geek: when I
tried to explain filters and folders to him, he just said he won't
need that.

This is what fascinates me about TB: it appeals to geeks and non-geeks
alike.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: My cable is floopy tonight-now PGP verified?

2003-10-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul,

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:27:31 -0500 GMT (27/10/2003, 00:27 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:

>>> below this window is the preview window that has FROM:, To: and subject.
>>> WAY off to the right is an icon, and when I put my cursor over it it
>>> says "Verify OpenPGP Signature". It has a questionmark and a paperclip
>>> icon. Does the questionmark mean it doesn't recognize your signature?

TF>> No, it means you have to verify the signature to check whether it is
TF>> valid.

> what, so what does the check mark mean in the envelope? to make SURE it
> hasn't been tampered with I need to hit the question mark and test it??

No, it just means the message has been signed. In order to check
whether it has been tampered with, you will have to check the
signature every time you open the message.

> right, sure, I'll do that every time I open the message I DON'T
> THINK SO I'll settle for the envelope check mark..

Me neither. If I want to check whether the signature is valid (i.e.
the message hasn't been tampered with) I do it when I first open it,
but not each time. My choice.

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%ATTACHFILE with variable filepath

2003-10-27 Thread MAU
Hello all,

I need help because I'm running around in circles and running out of
time.

I need to do mail out by e-mail to all entries in an AB Group. I have
set up a group template that works fine except for the %ATTACHFILE macro
(which is the first time I use it, BTW). To each e-mail I need to attach
a file with name "X_User.pdf" (without the quotes) where the X
is variable and unique to each addressee. This variable XX is in the
personal ZIP code field of each AB entry, and I use the %AbToZIP macro
to get it (and works). All actual files are in my d:\userfiles\
directory.

However, I can't get to properly concatenate and compose the "filepath"
for %ATTACHFILE by using the fixed directory, the variable part of the
file name from %AbToZIP and the "_User.pdf" part.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Re[2]: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Joseph N.
   On Sunday, October 26, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
:

> Of course, these are not "bugs". They are deliberate design
> decisions. Anyone running in so insecure an environment to make this
> so called "vulnerability" an issue should consider a more expensive
> solution - like SB or TB Pro.

Marck,

While I agree in general with your response to the issue, the fact
remains that third party access to hard drives is conceivable in any
number of innocent situations, most commonly repair scenarios. A
minimal change in the configuration--encrypting account
passwords--would go a long way toward preserving the current security
model of limited account access.

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Re[2]: PGP - Checking Signature

2003-10-27 Thread Vasiliy Efimenko
Hello Gerard,

On 27 October 2003, at 08:57:01 +0100 you wrote:

G> Therefore thank you for signing my key.

Not it all. It is pleasantly me to help someone.
And  thank  you  too for signing my key! I updated my local keyring by
your sign.

G> So, just for good measure here is my fingerprint:
G> DABE 4AE5 4DB5 4193 4C97  BFCD 57D5 39FA 6B39 8F19

Yes, it's all correct! :)

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RE:"Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Vasiliy,

Monday, October 27, 2003, 9:50:35 AM, you wrote:


> On 26 October 2003, at 20:47:23 +0100 you wrote:

S>> I'd like if someone dissected these claims...
S>> http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-October/012716.html

> It  is known that The Bat! are not much securely and its passwords and
> other  confidential information may be easily hacked by some utilities
> such as PasswordRecovery (I don't remember exact utility name). But it
> is  exists  way  of  solution  of  this  problem is store TB! mail and
> accompanying  configuration files at the encrypted disk (e.g. PGPdisk,
> BestCrypt).

isn't SecureBat! the Paranoia's choice of email program?

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Re: PGP - Checking Signature

2003-10-27 Thread Gerard

ON Sunday, October 26, 2003, 9:12:04 PM, you wrote:
P> Perhaps this better addressed on my end? I'm not sure how character
P> translations work but maybe I'm supposed to have TB! show it some
P> particular way instead of you sending it a particular way?

Hi Pixie,

It has all started with me installing a Dutch keyboard :(
So I guess I am to blame.

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Re: TB! 2

2003-10-27 Thread Mark Wieder
Douglas-

Sunday, October 26, 2003, 3:09:25 PM, you wrote:

1.63 allows for the use of plugins, which you're not using anyway in
1.62. That's about it, except for some SmartBat / scheduling features.
If missing out on these doesn't bother you, then there's no reason to
go hunt down one of the betas. The folder and file formats are the
same and you shouldn't have any trouble switching back and forth.

I was actually using beta 9 for a bit, but then I had to rebuild this
computer a couple of days ago and lost the link. I'll have to put it
back and get back to SP4 at the same time.

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Re: "Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'"

2003-10-27 Thread Vasiliy Efimenko
Hello SyP,

On 26 October 2003, at 20:47:23 +0100 you wrote:

S> I'd like if someone dissected these claims...
S> http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-October/012716.html

It  is known that The Bat! are not much securely and its passwords and
other  confidential information may be easily hacked by some utilities
such as PasswordRecovery (I don't remember exact utility name). But it
is  exists  way  of  solution  of  this  problem is store TB! mail and
accompanying  configuration files at the encrypted disk (e.g. PGPdisk,
BestCrypt).

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Re[2]: PGP - Checking Signature

2003-10-27 Thread Vasiliy Efimenko
Hello Melissa,

On 26 October 2003, at 11:28:12 -0800 you wrote:

MR> Don't worry Vasiliy, I believe you.

Thank you for trusting! ;)

MR> I just haven't signed your key yet. :-)

OK, no problems. Only as you wish.

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Re: PGP - Checking Signature

2003-10-27 Thread Gerard

ON Sunday, October 26, 2003, 1:50:59 PM, you wrote:

VE> However,  I  want  say  the following. If you (and all list's members)
VE> trust to this letter I may say that I'm a *real* Vasiliy Efimenko from
VE> Kyiv (Ukraine) who typing this words!
VE> My  key  fingerprint are:
VE>   03AE 5805 08CA E77C 4ADF E071 3D28 2597 DBF6 0F4A
VE> So,  don't  make  from  me a bandit and hooligan, I'm a good man :) (I
VE> hope).


Vasiliy,

I am not to worried that you are a bandit. Further more I use my keys
for this account more as "training keys" to learn about TB! and PGP. I
was assuming most people on this list are/were. Therefore thank you for
signing my key. It allowed me to check that it works. It actually shows
your name as the signee.

So, just for good measure here is my fingerprint:
DABE 4AE5 4DB5 4193 4C97  BFCD 57D5 39FA 6B39 8F19

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Re: Dupes - From Somewhere

2003-10-27 Thread Steve Mulhall
> I have been having some dupes show up also for some reason, although
> not something that has just surfaced.

Good to know I'm not the only one, although obviously none too good
that this is happening at all, I guess

> The messages have had the same MID, are current (wrote/dated) and
> 'kill dupes' acknowledges and handles the messages as expected..
> which I would say rules out some sort of display or index problem.

Same here

> Transport options are to retrieve and delete from server so I
> anticipate it's not something related to re-downloading the message,
> shouldn't be anyhow..

Just have retrieve and leave on the server but remove from server when
deleted from trash, which is ideal because a number of messages I
retrieve I don't need to keep and just clutter up my mail server but some
are very important that this option gives me a lot of control. In addition I look
after 7 other mailboxes for colleagues which quite often have very important
mail in i.e. cannot be deleted off the server which makes this whole issue a
little more awkward as I could possibly risk permanently deleting a message
that I need to keep

> I've fairly low volume of email so it's been more or less another
> quirk that I have simply integrated into my TB! usage procedures.

I have a reasonably average (I think) usage (1000 or so messages per
mailbox). I upgraded to V 2.01.3 from 2.00.6 last Thursday and this
problem surfaced on Friday so I assume it's reasonable to deduce that
the problem may be related to this new version. Anyone else seen this?

Cheers

Steve




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