Multi-Boot PC

[Greg Strong]

Can TB! be configured to run on a multi-boot PC so ONLY ONE message base 
exists?

I have 3 partitions
(1) 1st partition for application set A  OS Win98
(2) 2nd partition for application set B  OS Win98
(3) Extended partition for data

This set up is to eliminate potential conflicts of applications.

What I've done for other applications is install them on the extended 
partition because it always boots to D.  When I ask this question I would 
appreciate it when answering to keep in mind potential problems when I 
upgrade this old PC to either Win2k or WinXP Pro.  

TIA!


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Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

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Hello TBUL,

  Does the TB! provide mail merge capabilities?  I did a find in help on mail
  merge without luck.  The mail merge capability would create individual
  outgoing messages.  The only difference would be who the message is
  going and change variables within the body of message.

  NO I AM NOT TRYING TO CREATE SPAM, so please do not be lead to this
  conclusion when I ask the question.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 2:55:55 PM, you wrote:

MAU I see you already got a reply. I haven't used mass mailing yet, but I
MAU think it would be easier if I could use a CSV text file, like with
MAU Virtual Access, instead of an Address Book.

Well without using it I couldn't say.  I will say the mail merge in VA was
difficult at first, but once grasped most definitely a great feature.  I
am sure the initial learning curve was due to the fact it was mistakenly
omitted from the help file.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 2:55:55 PM, you wrote:

MAU Nice to see you here :-)

Thanks!  I have to get use to the inbox and outbox concept used in most
e-mail programs today.  After using VA for few years it put everything in
one folder.

When I created the filters for the mail lists I belong, I created both
incoming and outgoing rules for 1 mail list.  Now I have duplicates of
messages that I sent.  Duh! vbg

I saw Mr. Trilling ask you the other day about TB! in the Yahoo group.  It
looks like the old faithfuls of VA are recognizing the obvious.  Oh well
you just have bear running over those first few learning curve hills.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Luc,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 5:19:14 PM, you wrote:

L It's (you may or not may not believe it) actually an excerpt of the
L  helpfile (keyword Massmailing)

Yeah I hear you.  Who would have thunk.  Mail Merge = Mass Mailing?  I
never heard it referred to with this term.  :)

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Re[4]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 4:00:59 PM, you wrote:

MAU Yes, sooner or later we will see more VA users here.

Either here or some where else.  Technology moves forward.  Without
development where does that leave VA?  I think we both know the answer to
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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jan,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 5:24:30 PM, you wrote:

JR   Just curious - on what basis would you think this w/o
JR   having tried it?

I don't mean to defend VA or TB!, but maybe you don't want to put the
recipients into your address book for starters.  Now I may have you
thinking this is is a spam junkie.  Wrong again!

For example how about you are contacting people professionally over
the phone who provide you their e-mail address.  They agree to receive an
e-mail from you with regard to your telephone conversation.  During
the day you input all the contact information necessary into a
database.  At the end of the day you run a query for all those
agreed to the e-mail and save it to a CSV file.  You merge the CSV file
with a standard e-mail regarding your professional telephone conversation.

Whalla you have an individual e-mail for every individual you spoke to
that day.  At this point in time I do NOT want them in my address book.
The purpose of the e-mail was to provide contact information and resources
available to them on the net with regard to following up your telephone
conversation.  The recipient can now decide according to their schedule
when to look at the resources and contact you.  If they are NOT interested
I do NOT want them in my address book.  Just more work like maintenance on
the address book!


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Vertical Horizontal Windows reversed in TB! 1.60c

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  View | Split Mode | Vertical  Horizontal Split modes are reversed.
  Probably documented already, but thought I would mention.

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Upgrade Policy

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  What is TB! upgrade policy?  I looked at their web site without luck.
  I'm on the 30 day trial and thought I would ask.

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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Greg Strong]

Hello Ian,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 12:48:36 AM, you wrote:

 I don't think e-mail clients, like many other things, can be
 judged objectively. The best client for a person depends on his needs
 and preferences.

IP Of course. It was a somewhat facetious answer to a rather silly
IP question. After all, I have paid for TB and use is now as my primary
IP mail-client. But it has a long way to go before it can equal Virtual
IP Access for MY needs.

You have to make the decision which best fits your needs.  In my case I
will probably go from 1 program to 3.  I can't wait for VA to go open
source any longer.  Without development VA can NOT meet my needs looking
forward.  So I am putting the effort into learning additional interfaces
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Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  Does TB! have bookmark capabilities?  This is basically a way to
  reference individual message by subject.

  I should explain.  I am using TB! on 30 day trial.  I was a VA user.  In
  VA you could search messages in a folder or bookmark individual messages.
  The results would be held in a container referred to as a bookmark.  You
  could also bookmark individual messages to whatever bookmark was
  selected at the time.  In VA you keep up to 20 bookmarks at a time.  If
  you clicked the message in the bookmark you would jump to the message.
  In short it was a good way to keep track of messages that were of
  importance to you for one reason or another.  Nice feature especially if
  you are learning about a subject matter and want to be able to reference
  resources in the future.

  Since VA is no longer developed I am using Agent for news groups.  In
  Agent there is a work around.  The work around has no limitations as VA
  had with bookmarks, but it wasn't as quick and easy either.  In Agent
  you do a global search.  You review the results and copy the message ID,
  then you create a new message with whatever description you want then
  simply paste the message ID in your descriptive text and save the
  message.  In the future you simply review your descriptive text in your
  saved message and jump to the message ID when you want to get to the
  source.

  If TB! capable, it would be a great way to reference messages in this
  mail list to learn TB!  Thanks!

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Re[2]: Working With Referenced View

[Greg Strong]

Hello Dwight,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 10:12:59 AM, you wrote:

  A message will arrive in my Folder but the entire thread is bolded,
 so I have to click my way through 20 messages to find the newest one
 that arrived.
DAC Besides the answers you already got, ctrl-right arrow will get you
DAC straight to the next unread message in the thread (and then off to the
DAC next thread as well)

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Re: hotmail? Eudora

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 6:00:43 AM, you wrote:

PC I have a hotmail account, and pull it in to Outlook
PC  Express now. Can I do that with The Bat! ??

I believe there are add-on program.  I have not tried them, but have
hotmail and references from another source.

http://www.jmasoftware.com/english/index.html

http://pop3hot.com/

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Re[2]: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Greg Strong]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 8:05:27 AM, you wrote:

RO I'll post an answer on TBOT, since the setup of a mail server is
RO somewhat off topic here.


I looked at the Ritlabs web site,
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/support.html, and there was no reference to
TBOT.  How do you join?  TIA!

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Re[2]: My bat is Sick

[Greg Strong]

Hello Geoff,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 2:26:13 PM, you wrote:

GL If you have Norton 2000 or 2001, I've written instructions on how to
GL configure both NAV and TB to offer best protection while allowing TB
GL to complete downloading. You can find this at
GL http://www.gjctech.co.uk/misc/batnav.html 

Are these instructions applicable to NAV 2002?  TIA!

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Re[2]: Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 5:01:13 PM, you wrote:

GS Does TB! have bookmark capabilities? This is basically a way to
GS reference individual message by subject.

ACM snip

GS If TB! capable, it would be a great way to reference messages in
GS this mail list to learn TB! Thanks!

I apologize if you feel I was degrading TB!.  This was not my intention!
Fortunate or unfortunate depending upon your perspective.  Fortunate for
TB! because I most like will become a register user.  Unfortunate for me
because I am forced to learn a new interface when I was familiar and
comfortable with VA.

I will admit that when learning the new interface and capabilities, I will
ALWAYS measure it against other applications used for similar
circumstances.  I do not mean to offend those long time users of TB!.
From a development perspective all relevant input into a feature set of a
software product benefits ALL users.

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Re[3]: Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 4:58:05 PM, you wrote:

MAU You owe me a beer now ;-)

I'm glad to see you have NOT changed!

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Sending Mail from Outbox?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TB!,

  I am getting a message that there are no messages to send when 2 are in
  the Outbox.  I used the send command per help and also used the Send 
  check for all without luck.  I used the Cntrl + S command to save the
  message.  Per help:

  If you have any queued mail in Outbox, you can use the Send queued
  mail command (Shift+F2). Once again, if the messages are not sent
  (i.e. the messages are not moved from the Outbox folder to Sent mail
  or whichever folder is indicated by a relevant Sorting rule),
  examine the account's log (Shift+Ctrl+A).

  I would think something is set up in error.  Any ideals?

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Re[2]: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jernej,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 3:42:49 PM, you wrote:

JS Send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks!

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Re: Sending Mail from Outbox?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Greg,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 7:13:55 PM, you wrote:

GS I would think something is set up in error.  Any ideals?

Yes.  Account | Properties | Transport | Deferred (Cntl+Shift+P) must be
selected.  No Hour Glass (i.e. draft mode) on the message.  Use the
Cntl+Enter key to put in the Outbox.  If you close the message it will be
save in draft mode and will NOT be sent.  I think that should change the
default TB! set up to processing all outbound messages at the same time.
You must set up each individual e-mail that you want processed this way.

Makes sense.  It depends upon how you want to use the e-mail
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Editor Wrapping and changing message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TB!,

  I like the way the Editor wraps when you are composing a message because
  it seems to work fine when the Auto-Wrap is on.  What if after composing
  a message you make changes in the middle of the text.  You have to go
  back in manually wrap the remaining lines.  Am I missing something here
  or is there a better way?  TIA!

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Re[2]: Editor Wrapping and changing message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, April 7, 2002, 1:09:47 AM, you wrote:

ACM You could take the auto-format option (Utilities/auto-format or
ACM Ctrl+Shift+F) for a spin and see if you like it.

ACM As you use it you'll see what I mean.

ACM For me, hitting Alt+L as I type to reflow text has become second
ACM nature.

I will give both a try on this message. Excuse me if I become a little to
verbose. BTW I did NOT find what menu the Alt+L was on, so if you could
point me in the correct direction.  I just found it under Utilities |
Format Block.

I just used the Alt+L works great. Just what I was looking for. Does the
Auto-Format option work on a go forward basis similar to Auto-wrap? I'll
have to try it when I start a new message. Conceptually I'm wondering what
is the difference between Auto-wrap and Auto-Format.

This user list is great for learning TB!.  In a few days of using TB! I
can see why people like it and I've only just seen the edges.  Thanks!


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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Ian,

Sunday, April 7, 2002, 4:47:22 AM, you wrote:

IP Well, a little bird just told me miracles do happen. Can't say more
IP just yet. g

I heard this exact statement months ago.  Am I listening to a broken
record?  I'll believe it when I see it, and will keep my one good eye open
looking for it. vbg  BTW that little bird wouldn't happened to be named
Amrik?

After using TB! for only a few days I will say that I like it. Since I am
only on the 30 day trial, I will probably purchase it without any regard
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Re[2]: hotmail? Eudora

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Sunday, April 7, 2002, 6:22:37 AM, you wrote:

  I have a friend who has Eudora 4.x and he can't seem to import his
  messages into The Bat!, and there is no export feature in that
  version. Any ideas or suggestions for him ?

PC Hmm.. TB! has an import-feature for Eudora.. If that doesn't work.. I
PC don't know what will.. The mail-inbox wizard has an option for Eudora.

PC I'm thinking that his version 4.X is not current, the latest is 5.X
PC and his older version doesn't work the same. He says the import either
PC locks up, or finishes with no entries being imported.

For those who do NOT have a program that TB! imports the messages, all
they have to do is export their messages into a Unix-mailbox type. I used
VA which could could save the messages in VA's original format. Miguel was
kind enough to provide the search strings to fix the headers in a text
editor such as TextPad to convert the file into Unix-mailbox type.  You
then imported the converted file into TB! as a Unix-mailbox type.

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Re[2]: Mail Merge

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, April 7, 2002, 1:00:29 PM, you wrote:

ACM I've tried VA and I can sympathise with its former users. VA has quite
ACM an unusual/different approach to design and how things are done. I
ACM tried it especially for Newsgroups, but its methods were so different
ACM that I couldn't make the change, especially since I wasn't convinced
ACM that it provided a better solution for my needs than Agent or X-News
ACM did.

IMHO VA was NOT the best at everything. It was the fact that ONLY 1 user
interface was needed for CIS forums, e-mail,  newsgroups. It not only
covered ALL the bases, but did so in ONLY 1 pass over multiple news
servers, e-mail accounts, and CIS. The fact you could use 1 program to do
ALL pretty good was what endured me to VA.

ACM I guess the reverse would also apply in that migrating from VA to TB!
ACM could be an awkward ride at first. But there are features in TB! that
ACM can make you feel at home. It's just a different approach to get
ACM accustomed to.

Interesting ride is more like it. What it did was force me to look at
other programs which expanded my experience. The most interesting part is
reading how loyal users defend the program of their choice. The learning
curve is NOT an easy hill to climb especially when you are trying to be
productive. In most instances their defense is rooted in the fact that
they've used it for so long, and feel comfortable with it. If they would
open their mind to achieving the same goal a different way, then the
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Re[2]: Multi-Boot PC

[Greg Strong]

Hello Peter,

Wednesday, April 3, 2002, 1:34:45 AM, you wrote:

PP If both installations are set to the same path as 'Mail directory'
PP everything should be fine. The only thing you can't share within a dual
PP boot environment are all settings done in registry.
PP I.e. settings like Font, date format settings, etc ... you'll have to
PP set up TB! once, than export the registry branch of TB! and import
PP this one into the other OS for having your account's being recognized

This makes sense to me.

PP (The name and [if different from default] account dir are stored in
PP registry, account data itself not).

I'm not certain what you are trying to say here.  I think you are trying
to tell me the account name is stored in the registry.  So if I import the
pertinent portion of the registry into the other OS, I'm okay.  But since
I have only installed TB! once for the trial, it may ask for the account
name on installation.  If account name asked on installation, then any
information provided on the install MUST be the same as what is already in
the registry.

I don't know, so please clarify.  TIA!


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Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re[2]: hotmail? Eudora

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Sunday, April 7, 2002, 5:11:28 PM, you wrote:

PC eudora 4.x has no export feature, so he can't export

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Re[2]: Bookmarks (or References) to Message?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 5:38:00 PM, you wrote:

MAU I've got used to colour groups already and use them quite a bit (most
MAU of them without defining any colour at all), and the only serious
MAU limitation I have found is that messages can just be assigned to ONLY
MAU ONE group.

I tried color groups.  Works fine!  As you mention you can only assign one
message to only one group, and not one message to multi-groups.  This is
not a serious limitation for me.

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Re: Converting Outlook Contacts to The Bat ...

[Greg Strong]

Hello Shane,

Monday, April 8, 2002, 12:54:54 AM, you wrote:

SRM If you need Outlook 200x contacts moved to THE BAT, give this a try:

SRM http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~zakharin/Software/Dawn.html

SRM Gotta help each other out.

Why did you reply to this thread with regard to this subject?

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Filtering known

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  I thought I would try filtering known against my personal address
  book. I had the rule active and checking against the personal address
  book. What happened is most of the e-mail ended up in the Inbox-Known
  folder from various mailing list.

  In retrospect when I look at the headers (i.e. kludges) one of the
  Received: fields in facts has the send address of the mail list.
  What is the best work around? See header below:

  Received: from tkh.att.ne.jp ([165.76.17.8])
by home.worldless.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2001)
id 16uTzH-6i-00
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:54:52 +0700  

  I would think keeping a separate mail box for all mail list addresses
  would solve this problem. Since others who implemented this
  pre-defined filter probably had the same problem, I thought I would
  ask.

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Re[2]: Multi-Boot PC

[Greg Strong]

Hello Peter,

Wednesday, April 3, 2002, 1:34:45 AM, you wrote:

PP Install TB! where ever you like.

FYI I installed TB! in for the 2nd OS onto the extended partition.  In
the exact location as the 1st OS.  No problems!  Works fine so far.

As instructed I exported the portion of the registry under RIT, and
there were 2. I originally installed forgetting to import those
previous exports. On starting TB! it ask for the new account. I closed
 did the import of the registry. Things seem to work fine after the
import of the registry.

Instructions for TB! multi-boot PC with multi-partitioned disk:
1) Export all pertinent registry entries pertaining to RIT from OS
where TB! first installed.
2) Reboot PC into 2nd OS.
3) Import registry files into registry created from #1 with merge from
right click of file.
4) Install TB! in 2nd OS in exact location as 1st installation.

I THINK the key is what ever OS is booted TB! is still in the same
path. If my memory is correct this was a potential issue for VA on
multi-boot PC where the OSs was not able to keep the same path. I don't
recall what the work around was. I presently use just Win98. This
maybe a problem when I install Win2k or WinXP Pro.

If someone is more clear on path issue where different OS used, please
let me know.  I would sure like to know.


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Re[2]: Importing from Outlook

[Greg Strong]

Hello Ian,

Wednesday, April 10, 2002, 12:48:40 PM, you wrote:

IP bemused VA users

I don't believe *bemused* is applicable.  I would say realistic or
pro-active with current market conditions.  vbg  Good description
with background history which I'm sure you know better than I.

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Mass Mail Question on Subject

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  I am on 30 day trial of TB! and wanted to see how the Mass Mail
  (i.e. Mail Merge) functioned. I think I got about 80% figured out on
  first pass. Where does the Mass Mail pull the subject from on
  quick templates, or is there some other type of template I should
  use for this. Quick templates do NOT have subject field.

  The other problem I had was the last macro fields results were blank
  when data existed in the address book. I named the macro fields by
  copying them from help with a % in front of them, so either I
  picked the wrong field that was blank or something else is going
  wrong here.

  I originally created the message with macros in a draft message with
  variables in the subject field. The body was identical to the quick
  template, so I would guess there must be a way to run the mass mail
  capability against this draft message. Possibly save the message as
  some other type of template or something?

  FYI Miguel, there are 32 fields in TB!'s address book. There is no
  doubt a few more steps. VA only gave up to 10 merge fields. This was
  NEVER a limiting factor to me, but for what it is worth you CAN have
  more with TB!. So more possibilities there. You can have one
  individual in more than one group. The one to many relationship of
  individual to groups provides subset functionality here. The only
  additional work is merging the CSV file to the blank (i.e. shell)
  address book, and deleting the names after your done which is simply
  select all and delete. These additional steps do not take long.
  Probably seconds is more like it when you get use to it.

  I hope I'm making sense here because it is late. I would like to
  know how it works on the subject fields especially, since I have
  variables in it. TIA!

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Re: Mass Mail Question on Subject

[Greg Strong]

Hello Greg,

Friday, April 12, 2002, 4:17:20 AM, you wrote:

GS Where does the Mass Mail pull the subject from on
GS   quick templates, or is there some other type of template I should
GS   use for this.

Well I have the subject figured out.  Put the macro field into the
body of the quick template as %SUBJECT=.  Now I need to figure out
the syntax within the string value when another variable (i.e. macro
variable) is nested within it.  Any help!  TIA!

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Re[2]: Mass Mail Question on Subject

[Greg Strong]

Hello Greg,

Friday, April 12, 2002, 4:36:31 AM, you wrote:

GS Now I need to figure out
GS the syntax within the string value when another variable (i.e. macro
GS variable) is nested within it.

I thought using the %QINCLUDE= would do it, but I'm still missing
something because it is NOT pulling the date.  I should be more specific.

Subject: Email to follow up our variable date telephone conversation

The variable date is a date that I placed in the home street address
field.  My syntax looks something like this:

%SUBJECT='Email to follow up our %QINCLUDE=Date
%QINCLUDE=conversation'

FYI, The above is wrapping.

Then in the Date template I have:

%Addr

Then in the conversation template I have:

 telephone conversation!

Any thoughts or ideals. Could this be inherent to the actual date data
NOT being formatted correctly? TIA!
 

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Re[2]: Mass Mail Question on Subject

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Friday, April 12, 2002, 5:57:14 AM, you wrote:

ACM You don't need a macro just to generate a simple string as 'telephone
ACM conversation!'. Why not just type it into the nested macro as is.

ACM If you wish to extract the date that you typed into the home street
ACM address field, then you need to use the following macro:

ACM %ABToAddr

ACM You have to define whose address book entry you wish to use. This is
ACM why you need %ABTo.

ACM Your subject macro should then read:

ACM %SUBJECT=Email to follow up our %Qinclude='date' telephone conversation!

Thanks! I got it to work. After you explain the above about the
address and looked at help it makes sense. It was late or should I say
early. g  I took Peter's suggestion and it reads:

%SUBJECT=Email to follow up our %ABToAddr telephone conversation!

Your direction also cleared up my problem on the other fields.  I
forgot the %ABTo.  I know have a working template.  Thanks again!

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Re[2]: Mass Mail Question on Subject

[Greg Strong]

Hello Peter,

Friday, April 12, 2002, 5:33:22 AM, you wrote:

PP %Subject=Email to follow up our %ABToAddr telephone conversation!

With your and Allie's suggestion everything works fine!  Thanks!

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Backup TB! vs Synchronize

[Greg Strong]

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Hello TBUL,

If you really don't use 2 copies of TB! can you simply copy all files
in the x:\Program Files\The Bat! path to another drive for backup
versus synchronizing TB!?

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Re: TB and dual boot

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Sunday, April 14, 2002, 7:40:48 AM, you wrote:

MAU I assume and think there should be no problem on sharing the same
MAU message base but, anyway, I'd like to know if any of you is using
MAU (or has tried) a similar set up.

See thread with subject of Multi-Boot PC started 4/2/02. I don't use
NT based system yet, but if recall correctly about this same
discussion with regard to VA I believe there is a potential problem
with how NT based OSs recognizes additional drives /or partitions.

I am using Win98 with communication software (i.e. TB!, VA, Agent)
installed in an extended partition. In Win98 the extended partition
always boots to the D drive, so the drive in the path statement is
of no concern.

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Re[2]: TB and dual boot

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Sunday, April 14, 2002, 11:38:23 AM, you wrote:

MAU I don't have a very good memory, do I? My few and tired neurons
MAU can't keep track of all the e-mail I receive and send, and of all
MAU mail lists and newsgroups I monitor. :-(

I would NOT say that.  I will say that is why you belong to this mail
list, and used VA and now TB! for TRACKING your email.  :)

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Collect Mail Headers Only with TB!?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  Is it possible to collect the mail headers only with TB! providing
  the e-mail account is a Pop3 account?

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Re[2]: Resending a msg

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 3:01:18 PM, you wrote:

MAU I don't know if you tried to use the Menu Navigator. If you did (do)
MAU and search for 'resend' it doesn't find anything and you may conclude
MAU there is no such option. However, if you look for 're-send'...

Where is the Menu Navigator?  I'm on Win98, and I found another thread
which states it doesn't show up on XP.  The other thread makes no
mention of Win98,  suggest I'm not missing much.

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Re[2]: message navigation

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 7:40:41 PM, you wrote:

ACM Instead of using CTRL+Alt+Right, you can try using CTRL+] which is
ACM still working. This will move you from unread message to unread
ACM message, working down the message list and drilling down into threads
ACM to get at the new messages, as you go along. If you start in the
ACM middle of the message list, it will work downwards and when it reaches
ACM the end of the list, it will start from the beginning again.

I've been using Ctrl+Right. It seems to do the same thing. I can't
remember where I learned this. It could have been this mail list. What
help topics exist on this very topic? The one I found was Reading
Your Mail and it does seem lacking in this area.

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Re[2]: square brackets and rfc822

[Greg Strong]

Hello David,

Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 6:35:57 PM, you wrote:

DvZ PMFJI but I don't understand this, because I never read this
DvZ stuff unless I need it. When I start reading a mailinglist
DvZ message I start with the quoted material or when I know the
DvZ contents of the quotes I even start with the text below the
DvZ quotes.

DvZ So I never have problems with long intro's or signatures, I just
DvZ skip them when I don't want to read it. I like the cookies
DvZ though.

I also read mail lists in the same way.

I have received e-mail from people I know when in fact it was never
sent by them. The very reason PGP (or GPG) exist is for authenticity
and security.

After reading about the privacy concepts and just implementing GPG,
IMHO, privacy software has never been in great demand for 2 primary
reasons. One lack of education of the general public who use e-mail as
a form of communication, and two ease of use. A more user friendly UI
will create an environment that the public will learn to more readily
accept privacy software with e-mail. By people using privacy software
to sign their e-mail sets a good example.

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Re[2]: square brackets and rfc822

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 7:33:21 PM, you wrote:

PC is there an easy way to open up an entier thread ? without hitting all
PC the PLUS signs ? I already opened a NEW thread on navigating, but I
PC didn't ask this particular question G

When in the message list select the collapsed message, then
Cntl+Plus.  I like you am learning TB! and yet to find all help
screens with various short cuts.  If someone knows of one or more
please list the help topics so I can bookmark.  TIA!

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Re[2]: square brackets and rfc822

[Greg Strong]

Hello Paul,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 7:40:58 AM, you wrote:

PC Here you find all the shortcuts you need:
PC http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html

I think all shortcuts should be documented in help, but this is better
than nothing? Thanks for the link!

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Re[2]: square brackets and rfc822

[Greg Strong]

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Hello Ian,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 11:48:43 AM, you wrote:

IP In the context of the list, a PGP sig only
IP proves someone is capable of installing and using PGP, and little
else.

Agreed.

A PC is nothing more than a tool. I look at signatures in a broader
sense as the use of this tool. When I use a signature I believe it
sets a good example of the use of this tool (i.e. PC). Tools are not
an end in themselves, but a means to an end.

- From watching this thread I will say those who use signatures can
agree to disagree with those who do not. VBG

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Re[2]: Changing from upper case to lower or from lower to upper

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Sunday, April 21, 2002, 3:39:09 AM, you wrote:

MAU I really think that any option/function that is available through
MAU a shortcut should be available on the menus somewhere. The
MAU editor's Edit menu would be the right place for these.

They are in my help under Miscellaneous Editor Commands which I
might add have been bookmarked. g

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Outgoing Filter: Move File Save not Working?

[Greg Strong]

Hello ,

I can't get an outgoing mail filter to work and I don't know why. I'll
describe what I'm doing because maybe there is a better way, then get
to specifics. I have a contact DB which I dump names, email addresses,
 other variables for the day into a CSV file. I import this info into
a separate address book for just this purpose. A Mass mail on all
imported addresses is performed to the Outbox on an account where
delivery is deferred. The outgoing filter is to perform 2 functions,
move email to specific folder on send, and append email into a text
file. I've created a hyperlink field in the DB, so that I can quickly
reference the email in subsequent discussions. This way the contact DB
is self containing of all types of communications made with any
company and individual.

General questions:

1) Can you filter on strings in the body with location = text?
2) Can you have a move and file save on 1 filter?

Detail outgoing mail filter rule tab:
Name: whatever
Source folder: Outbox
Move message to folder: whatever
Filter strings: strings=whatever ; Location=text ; Presence=yes
Rule is: Active

Detail outgoing mail filter actions tab:
Export message to a file: selected (with path:\dest\whatever.txt)
Export format: text
Append to existing file: selected
Export Kludges: selected

The results are no TXT file is saved and the messages end up in the
Sent Mail folder. In summary it isn't working. For the string value
I've tried to key in on only a partial of the subject since there is a
variable there that changes for each group of messages sent out,
otherwise I would have to create a filter for group sent. This did not
work, so I was trying to key in on a string in the body with the
location being text.

I'm new to the TB! so this is a bit of a stretch for me, but it would
a very helpful tool for tracing information in the database. Any
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Re[2]: SmartPad ??

[Greg Strong]

Hello Marck,

Tuesday, April 23, 2002, 3:55:07 PM, you wrote:

MDP SmartPad was produced in response to those who actually like the
MDP TB editor and wanted to use it (and access Quick Templates) in a
MDP general purpose notepad form. With the system-wide hot keys,
MDP SmartPad can become an immensely useful data collation and note
MDP taking tool.

Don't you mean SmartBat?  See Tools | SmartBat (or F6)

It sounds like this would be very helpful for documentation of
procedures in TB! I did a SmartPad search in help and Menu Navigator
without luck.  Clarification would be helpful!  TIA!

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Re[2]: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mandara,

Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 9:33:17 AM, you wrote:

M With a deep respect, there is no average TB user. Average users
M doesn't use TB. And beta versions have beta sufix. Dave's one is
M just g[ee] one.

With all due respect apparently the users who post to the TBBETA list
don't think so.

I am a new user to TB! and am quite pleased with it to date and
read/scan all messages in TBUDL, TBBETTA,  TBOT because I'm learning.
Without getting into specifics I will say some users have interesting
view points of other users of TB! that post to TBUDL. I WILL say some
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Re[2]: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 11:19:01 AM, you wrote:

MAU Sorry Peter, but I don't know who you are to make that statement.
MAU And your statement is a valid as mine if I say that it _IS _NOT_.

MAU Aside of that, even if I knew who Peter Palmreuther is, you are
MAU not PGP signing your message, so I can't verify you really wrote
MAU it ;-)

ROFLMAO :þ)

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Re[2]: Outgoing Filter: Move File Save not Working?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Roelof,

Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 3:19:45 AM, you wrote:

RO Good hunting.

I recalled reading somewhere in help about the thread syntax, but
couldn't find it. Your message was a good example. Is there a way to
export the Account | Sorting Office/Filters text? The copy  paste was
incredibly easy. Offhand I will say that I still don't see where I
went wrong the first time. I'll give it a try and let you know.
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Re[2]: simple question on PGP

[Greg Strong]

Hello Nick,

Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 11:14:02 AM, you wrote:

 Okay, but this way I still can't save them in clear text in my sent
 folder automatically, right?

NA Well no because you did not send it in clear text... you sent it
NA encrypted, so quite rightfully it is kept encrypted in your Sent
NA Items Folder... exactly the way you sent it. Always encrypting to
NA your default Key will at least allow you to decrypt and read them
NA at will.

Can you do this with GPG and GPGShell?

As you know I'm new to GnuPG. If my memory servers me correct when you
encrypt you are encrypting to the public key of the recipient
individual, so they can use their secret key to decrypt. So this tells
me when you encrypt before sending you encrypt the messages using 2
public keys which are the recipient and yourself. So in order to view
the encrypted message in your Sent Mail folder, you would decrypt
using your secret key. Am I missing something, or is this correct.

Maybe I should ask this in PGP-Basics. As I understand it the free
version of PGP has restrictions of use that it can only be for private
use, and not commercial. I thought if someone may use security
software with TB! in commercial use in the future that they are aware
of this restriction. With PGP being shelved by NAI I don't know if
commercial licenses are available for PGP anymore. It appears when
reading this list and features of TB! that PGP is more seamless to the
user which may sway the user toward PGP and not GPG. This is why I
posted this question here in TBUDL.

Could you or someone else with knowledge shed some light here.  TIA!

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Re[2]: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mandara,

Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 11:27:50 AM, you wrote:

M My deep apologies to all if I said anything incorrect above. Off
M course I'll have nothing against if I said correct things. Also I
M am ready to take any responsibility if I said anything partially
M [in]correct. I'm always ready to change my opinion if is not in
M tune with reality.

To provide clarity to you. My comment was NOT directed at you. It was
more of general comment in response to subject matter within the body
of this sub-thread which is respect, or lack there of.

M I agree with all what You said and believe in it. Let's share our
M resources of knowledge and education in a noble manner, as always.

Absolutely, but it must be shared with respect. Learning and knowledge
is obtained with effort, and can be made easier with respect.

From my experience in life the 2 most important aspects of human
interaction is to have a basis upon which 1) trust,  2) respect can
be earned. I made my initial comment in this sub-thread because IMHO
this basis did NOT exist in some of TB! lists.

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Re[2]: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Miguel,

Wednesday, April 24, 2002, 12:25:38 PM, you wrote:

 ROFLMAO :þ)

MAU Now you got me here. Up to the L I understand, but what does MAO
MAU stand for?

Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off

I miss VA's free acronym plugin, so if you need a good reference
without it see http://www.acronymfinder.com/.  To follow up Peter's
comment to this comment, notice I've even signed this message.

As to why I haven't been signing my messages. (1) I've been having
strange behavior with GPG  GPGShell that Allie has attested to on
another list. (2) I actually do respect the comment both you and Ian
made with regard to use on lists (i.e. bandwidth  clarity).

:þ)

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Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.28
Comment: Greg Strong (Public Email KeyID): 0x78834C32

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The strange behavior is the amount of time required on the 1st use of
GPG  GPGShell is WAY to long. I just timed this message and it took
approximately 15.5 minutes before GPGShell's popup asked which key I
wanted to sign with (i.e. I have 2, email  newsgroups). When I first
started using GPG and GPGShell this was only a few seconds. I watched
the network icon in the task bar of Win98 and did notice some blinks.
This could be regular protocols when connected with my ISP.  If anyone
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Re[2]: Selected downloading

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

Thursday, April 25, 2002, 2:49:17 AM, you wrote:

JP Strangely pop.yahoo.com.au still allows free POP access.

My Yahoo account is generating errors now.  Since I did NOT pay, that
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Disable Yahoo Account on Check Mail for All?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

  How do I archive messages on an account that is no longer active?

  I have a Yahoo account that no longer provides pop access and is
  generating errors. I like to keep the messages, but get rid of the
  connection errors in the log when I Check Mail for All.

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Re[2]: Disable Yahoo Account on Check Mail for All?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Ben,

Thursday, April 25, 2002, 8:43:43 AM, you wrote:

BM It appears that you can go into account properties, then options and
BM check  ignore check all accounts request. 

Works fine.  Thanks!

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Re[2]: PGP or S/MIME ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Saturday, April 27, 2002, 2:11:35 PM, you wrote:

ACM It's not a question of the need being there since he has decided
ACM to use one solution. It's a matter of which is the more
ACM appropriate under the circumstances.

Can you use either method depending upon the individual circumstances
involved with whom you are communicating on a per message basis?

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Re[2]: PGP or S/MIME ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, April 28, 2002, 1:58:08 PM, you wrote:

ACM You can use S/MIME and PGP interchangeably but where ever the
ACM opportunity presents itself, I think you should go for PGP.

I would agree. You have to be able to communicate with whomever under
whatever is agreed upon between the parties. As a new user to both GPG
 TB! from what I've learned so far, I would rather use GPG (or PGP)
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Re[2]: PGP or S/MIME ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Sunday, April 28, 2002, 1:58:08 PM, you wrote:

ACM I'd always use PGP/GnuPG if I could help it.

I was installing WinPT.  In the PDF file for the install it refers to
OpenPGP that I believe is GPG (i.e. same as GnuPG at
http://www.gnupg.org/).

What functionality specifically does Ritlabs mean on their website at
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/features.html by saying Internal (no
DLLs needed) fast PGP implementation based on the award-winning
OpenSSL lets you encrypt message and sign them with digital
signatures. Also available as a free stand-alone Digital Keys Library.
Handy manager for digital keys. Free plugins for PGP v5.5, v6.0.2 
6.5.?

I know SSL stands for Secure Socket Layer which is different from
encryption, but if you follow the OpenSSL link it goes on to state
...as well as a full-strength general purpose cryptography library.
It seems to infer there maybe some functionality I'm missing here
which is why I ask the question.

To my knowledge I have to use the Tray windows application to
manually sign messages when using GPG. Reading this list I believe you
can have on the fly seamless signing with PGP which to my knowledge is
owned by NAI. Please clarify. TIA!

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Re[2]: PGP or S/MIME ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Nick,

Monday, April 29, 2002, 1:49:15 AM, you wrote:

NA Yes, you are right... you can have seamless on the fly signing
NA with PGP because there are specific PGP DLL's that TB uses for
NA that... RITLabs have developed a Plugin specifically for that
NA purpose. Hopefully, the upcoming release of GPG 1.0.7 will spur
NA RITLabs into producing a GPG Plugin.

Yes this would be great, and thanks for all the info!

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Couldn't verify signature on registration of TB!

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUL,

I couldn't verify the signature on the email from The Bat! Team
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (RITLABS) that was received for registering
TB!  How do I know if I've received a good registration?

This seems STRANGE when TB! seems to encourage using security software
for insuring integrity on it use.

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Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.28
Comment: Greg Strong (Public Email KeyID): 0x78834C32

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Re[2]: PGP or S/MIME ?

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Allie,

Monday, April 29, 2002, 6:12:18 AM, you wrote:

ACM Indeed the signing and signature verification aspects work nicely. I
ACM don't use GPG Shell for signing messages *at all*. However, for
ACM decryption and encryption I use GPG Shell.

Great!  How do I make it work?

ACM With the plug-in, for the encrypting to work, there has to be a
ACM perfect identity match with the from address and a UID. Also the key
ACM has to be signed in some way or else you'll get an error message.

Since I'm always going to use my keys for signing, all I have to do is
sign my own key as being trusted, correct?

ACM For decrypting, it's just a matter of taste. I prefer using GPG Shell
ACM since I generally read messages via the ticker and when I decrypt with
ACM the plug-in, it generates the decrypted copy and I have to go look for
ACM it in another window.

Since most of my use right now is signing because I'm trying to get
use to the concepts and the new UI, decrypting at this point is not
much of an issue.  Thanks for the info!

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Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.28
Comment: Greg Strong (Public Email KeyID): 0x78834C32

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Re[2]: PGP or S/MIME ?

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Marck,

Monday, April 29, 2002, 4:49:05 AM, you wrote:

MDP Not true, actually Nick. I use GPG without any tray application. I
MDP only use the try tools to access the key manager and lookup keys I
MDP don't have on my keyring. All sign/verify/encrypt/decrypt actions are
MDP handled by the built-in plug-in.

MDP It already exists and works just as well as PGP.

How do I make it work? THANKS!

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Re[2]: Couldn't verify signature on registration of TB!

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Miguel,

Monday, April 29, 2002, 12:13:38 PM, you wrote:

MAU Select Help/About after registering :-)

I tried it and get the pop up which provides registration number and
my name.  Look like good registration.

If I have good registration, fine.  The error message on the
verification was:

gpg: invalid armor header:

I'm no expert on GPG or PGP. If I can't verify a signature on the
email for registering TB! there has to be reason. Either there is
something wrong with my GPG  GPGShell configuration, or I imported a
bad key from Ritlabs web site, or Ritlabs email has a bad header in
the the signature on the email, or the message was tampered with, or
something else I'm missing.

Bottom line is do I have valid registration? This can only be verified
by Ritlabs. I have sent them an email before ever responding to this
list. Second even if I do have a good registration, then why couldn't
I verify the message sent on registration.

I know messages can be damaged in transmission.  The only reason for
posting on this list was to see whether or not anyone else had
experience this on registration.  No matter how you cut the cheese on
this one, it is strange. :þ)

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Shortcut for Message ID Link?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

IIRC members of this list would reference another message in the list
that could be left double clicked with the mouse  TB! would open the
message  go to it.  In the original message it would look something like

[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there a shortcut for doing this in TB!?  I scan the FAQ without
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Re: 1.60i, 1.60j : Beta or not beta

[Greg Strong]

Hello Julius,

Monday, May 6, 2002, 9:03:29 PM, you wrote:

JS I guess this is good business for someone.

Yes, apparently for Ritlabs now. If it is fact a successful business
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Clean Install Keep Old Message DB?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

What is the best way to do a clean install of TB! and restore the old
message database?  TIA!

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Message Database Management?

[Greg Strong]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUL,

What are options available to manage the message database?

After looking at the help file I found that the options are as
follows:

1) Keep for nn days property of the folder, 

2) exceed the folder's maximum message count.

I would think with making TB! available for use with news groups (i.e.
via plugin) more options would exist. What if you belong to a mail
list and use various threads as a resource and want to keep them
available in a searchable message database.  An example would be this
very mail list, TBUL.  I know I could keep all messages.  Over time
the message DB would get rather large.  So if no other options exist,
then you are forced to micro manage the message DB as you receive
them by reading every message received and deleting those you feel
unnecessary.

If this is the only approach available, you still will continue to
receive messages on a thread in the future that you have absolutely no
interest. MORE WORK! Now I know I could write a macro that throws the
additional threads into the trash, but isn't this some what more
involved then would be necessary. Am I missing something on creating
an easy macro to do this?

How about an Ignore switch?

It appears I could use the Park function to save a message after the
time specified in the folder options, but again this requires
reviewing all messages. MORE WORK! I did NOT notice a short cut on the
Message menu which then requires use of the mouse. I'd rather stay
with the keyboard. If one does exist, I do apologize for not looking
at the web page, however how about putting all shortcuts which
correspond to menu commands to the right on the menu. It is apparent
some of you are using wide band connections and are on-line all the
time. Well I'm not and still use a dial up so web pages are NOT an
extension of TB!'s coded help. Maybe I'm a minority here with TB!
users but if the actual statistics were looked at, I would think the
majority of the market still uses dial up.

I must be missing something here because there has to be an easier
way.

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Re: Message Database Management?

[Greg Strong]

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Greg Strong 
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Re: TB! v1.60i

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mandara,

Wednesday, May 8, 2002, 6:39:57 PM, you wrote:

MAU Where did you download 1.60x from?

M http://www.alsscan.com/main.html

I don't think this version needs the kind of support provided from
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Re: What Microsoft does better than TheBat

[Greg Strong]

Hello r,

Wednesday, May 8, 2002, 10:36:44 AM, you wrote:

rbgn What The Bat needs most of all, and what I believe would dampen
rbgn the desire to always have the latest release, is a good MANUAL--
rbgn maybe in PDF form.

I agree.  Apparently either by default or design Ritlabs has chosen
support via the Internet with TBUL or web pages.

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Re: Message Database Management?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mitja,

Friday, May 10, 2002, 3:59:35 AM, you wrote:

MP You can assing it yourself by going to View-Edit shortcuts.

Very helpful suggestion. Thanks!

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Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

In short I want to manage the TBUL message base which is based upon
purging messages based upon a number of days and keeping those
messages deemed worth keeping.

This is what Ive attempted to do, but it is not working. I'm trying
to create a manual filter of read messages of looking at the messages
in a folder with a certain color group and moving them to another
folder. This folder I'm trying to move the messages to is actually a
sub-folder of the original. What I've done since starting to use TB!
is use color groups to indicate what type of helpful TB! hint the
message is from TBUL. One of the actions in addition to the move on
the filter is to Park the message. I then was planning on purging the
folder based upon time frame.

From what of read about Read filters is they have to be applied
automatically meaning at the time the message is marked read. If this
is the case my intended use of the filter will NOT work, since all
messages are already marked as read.

Thinking about how TB! works here with reading other applicable TBUL
messages I probably would be best doing a search on the color group,
then move all to the intended folder. I would have to park all the
messages by selecting them and a Ctrl + J. I would have to change how
messages are marked read from 2 seconds to manual, then change my
manual Read filter to active. If I understand everything correctly,
then when I mark the messages as read manually (Ctrl + M).

The only issue I have with my solution provided it is workable is that
now I have to manually mark all messages as read. This would be lots
of Ctrl + M's. A possible IGNORE capability is looking real good now.
I've included a copy of my filter below providing my thinking is
correct for the solution. Is my thinking correct here on a go forward
basis, or what is my best alternative to do what I want to do? Do
sub-folders inherit the characteristics of their parent and can they
be changed?


BeginFilter
Name: Helpful Hints
Active: 0
Source: \\Mail Lists\The Bat!\TB! User DL
Target: \\Mail Lists\The Bat!\TB! User DL\Hints
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 20^.*
Actions: faoManualOnly,faPark,faoAdvColor
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: default
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: TB
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

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Connection Center?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

What is the purpose of the Transfer column in the Connection Center?

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, May 18, 2002, 4:51:05 PM, you wrote:

RO I think you're going way to difficult.

Yes I agree with you.

I just did search and Ctrl + A to select all, then Ctrl + J to park
all.  I'll just leave them in the folder and they'll sit after purge.

Putting that all aside though am I correct on the Read filter in
that it only works automatically at the time the message is indicated
as read?  If I'm correct on Read filters why does the Manual
option even exist for the filter rule?

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, May 18, 2002, 6:54:27 PM, you wrote:

GS Putting that all aside though am I correct on the Read filter
GS in that it only works automatically at the time the message is
GS indicated as read?

RO Yep.

See Miguel's message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Either I'm missing
something here or you don't agree with Miguel.  If I recall reading a
message from Allie, she stated read filters were on automatic only
which would agree with your statement.

Let me check, and while I'm checking I'm going to get another beer.
See Allie's reply per [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED].
Either I'm missing something or TB! works differently on different
machines.

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Saturday, May 18, 2002, 6:55:30 PM, you wrote:

MAU I have just tested a couple of my Read messages filter manually
MAU and they worked just fine even though the messages were already
MAU marked as Read.

There seems to be either a difference of opinion, or differences in
how TB! works on different PC with possibly different versions.  See
my reply to Roelof.

MAU What I did for the test is to assign Reply or Action colour group
MAU to a few of the messages I have (already marked as Read) in my
MAU Inbox-Known folder. Then, I manually filtered the Inbox-Known
MAU folder with my Read filters and those messages in Reply colour
MAU group were moved to my Reply folder, and those with Action colour
MAU to Action folder.

Well I'm trying to do something similar.  See my original post on this
message which includes a copy of the read filter.  What I'm doing is
creating a manual read filter (which works according to you) and
search on wild card ^.* and color group and trying to move to a
sub-folder and park at the same time. What I'm trying to do is an
extension of our discussion when I first started using TB!.  I marked
messages in this ML based upon my perception of functionality to me.
I was thinking about purging message DB after period of time and
parking those which are deemed important.  Basically I'm learning.

I agree with Roelof's suggestion in that I'm doing to much for what I
need to accomplish.  So I think just parking the messages and
assigning a color group based upon functionality would be good.  The
problem appears to be how read filers work for some and not others.
I'd rather keep the 2 seconds automatic mark to read because I don't
want to have to Ctrl + M every message to mark as read.  To me this
seems like a lot of work.  So either I missed something or there is
got to be another way.

This as well as your earlier message on how you set up TB! as well as
the ticker thread have got me to thinking about how to manage
message DB. TB! filters are a great tool, and I've read the thread on
RegEx which on initial read seems to take to another level (i.e. makes
even great tool even better). So if I can master TB! tools it can
become an even more valuable too.

BTW I'm on my 3rd beer after watching the Preakness. Great race and
triple crown winner still possible. Also I noticed you never replied
to my message from over a week ago on managing DB, so according to
your recent message on managing TB! you must not have felt it
important. ROFLOL I will admit some of the concepts were a little
out there, but I believe valid. Given the limited response and IMHO
maybe not the best place to post such a response.

Have a good weekend!

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Saturday, May 18, 2002, 9:10:25 PM, you wrote:

ACM Actually, I have to regularly shave my moustache and beard. g I'm a
ACM Mr.

I do apologize.

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Saturday, May 18, 2002, 9:10:25 PM, you wrote:

ACM You can however run any active read filter manually. You can
ACM apply the read filter/s to any folder in the account where the
ACM filter rule resides. You can do this with any filter set. You can
ACM manually apply incoming filter sets to any other folders within
ACM the respective accounts. Try it.

Can you create a read filter rule that is manual only?

ACM Try it.

I just did with it indicated as an active rule, and it did NOT work.
So something must be wrong with my read filter.

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Sunday, May 19, 2002, 3:52:22 PM, you wrote:

MAU Try not using any filter string, just delete it. Look at my
MAU filter:

I thought my filter string (i.e. ^.*; line starting with any character
any number of times) was basically a wild card, probably not or I
missed something else. After removing the filter string the filter
worked when changing to an Active rule and running Re-filter.

Unless I missed something here what I've learned on Read filters is
they will only work when indicated as an Active rule although you
can use the Read filter as a manual rule with the Re-filter on the
Folder menu.

IIRC your earlier message this week about using TB! and if I'm
understanding things correctly in TB! in order to use read filters
in conjunction with a trigger by me (i.e. color group or park or flag
or whatever), I will have to mark all messages as read manually with a
Ctrl + M. I like TB! marking messages read automatically. The
fuzziness is becoming more clear, but I'll have to think about
situations and trade-offs to determine best alternatives.

With what I'm trying to do with the TBUL, I think Roelof's suggestion
is the best.  Search on color group and park all messages.  I'll have
to go back and read you message from earlier in the week.  Thanks!

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Sunday, May 19, 2002, 4:37:38 PM, you wrote:

 I agree with Roelof's suggestion in that I'm doing to much for what
 I need to accomplish.

MAU I don't think so. Not really, once you get it set up and working

I don't think I've used TB! long enough to really determine what is
best for me yet. I will say both you and Roelof have provided GOOD
answers.

 I'd rather keep the 2 seconds automatic mark to read because I
 don't want to have to Ctrl + M every message to mark as read. To me
 this seems like a lot of work.

MAU As I have said before, I mark messages as Read when _I_ have
MAU finished reading them, not TB! ;-) While reading a message I may
MAU be interrupted by a phone call or by a higher priority messages
MAU in Mail Ticker, etc.

You have brought up an important point with regard to the phone 
interruptions. Do you mark entire threads or messages blocks as read
at one time?  Otherwise a lot of Ctrl + Ms.  I have to go back and
look at that Ticker thread.  Once you get by the initial UI of TB!
which I'm in process, you start to think about different functions and
how they inter-relate.  From AB to filters to folders to purging.
This is where a good manual would be helpful.

 This as well as your earlier message on how you set up TB! as well as
 the ticker thread have got me to thinking about how to manage
 message DB.

MAU I tried 2 or 7 different setups until I decided on the one I
MAU explained a few days ago.

Yes I've read it.  Very supportive of you.  You have not changed from
the days of VA. g Interesting no one on this has replied to date.

 TB! filters are a great tool, and I've read the thread on RegEx
 which on initial read seems to take to another level

MAU Yes, TB! filters are great, except for the fact that it _always_
MAU requires a Target folder (even if it is the same as source). That
MAU is a drawback when trying to use filters manually.

Since I'm no expert and always learning, how is it a drawback?

MAU I haven't even looked at Regex seriously yet, too complicated for me
MAU ;-)

I've only read the message posted on TBUL. I doubt it is to
complicated for you. It really comes down to payback for the effort
for me. I have other things I think are more important to learn than
advanced functionality of TB! right now.

 BTW I'm on my 3rd beer after watching the Preakness. Great race and
 triple crown winner still possible.

MAU I understand what 3 beers means, but I have no idea what you are
MAU talking about when you say after watching What's Preakness?

The Preakness is a horse race. The triple crown is the most
prestigious that includes winning the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness,
and the Belmount Stakes. If a horse wins all 3 races, then they win
the triple crown. IIRC has existed in US for over a century.  Not to
many horses win all 3, but War Emblem has won the 1st 2.

MAU On the second one I did say I would comment more on your original
MAU message and, if you mean that, you are right, I didn't write any
MAU further comments.

This is what I meant.  No problem, I'd rather you respond to message
about learning TB! rather than create a thread possibly perceived as
offensive to some.

TB! is a good program and I've lots to learn. Learning a new program
UI is not easy.  Used with other tools TB! I'm sure will become an
instrumental tool for me.

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Re: Manual Filter?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Sunday, May 19, 2002, 6:57:54 PM, you wrote:

IIRC you are either 7 or 8 hours ahead of me which makes it 2:00 AM or
3:00 AM.  I believe there is a TB! macro which converts this time to
your time.  Don't you sleep?

MAU Well, I can think of a few filters I'd like to have to do some actions
MAU except moving the message to another folder. For example the Ignore
MAU filter I'm experimenting with. It is an Incoming mail filter so source
MAU folder is _forced_ to Inbox and if I don't want to move the filtered
MAU messages the target folder has to be Inbox. But then, if I want to
MAU manually run the Ignore filter on another folder (i.e. TBUDL),
MAU filtered messages will be moved to Inbox unless I edit the filter
MAU before using it. It's a stupid limitation.

Looks like you would need an Ignore filter for each folder you read,
then you would need separate hot keys for each folder. g

MAU keep mine as simple as possible. KISS, you know.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Yes.  Great principle.

MAU (much bigger than US, BTW :)

Yes, I'm aware of that fact. g

MAU You see, this is an example of what I mean by saying about forgetting
MAU to do a search and whatever. I have your message still marked for
MAU Reply (with a colour group) but I haven done a search in a while. If
MAU it had been moved to my Reply folder at least I would see it several
MAU times a day. As I use my Reply folder mainly for work e-mail I think I
MAU need a second one for lower priority replies.

This sounds like what I wanted to do originally with my read filter.
Use incoming filter to put messages in appropriate folder. Use color
group to determine action. Use color group as trigger on manual read
filter to place in another folder and park message. Apparently manual
read filters do not work, but must be marked active. When I run an
active filter on Folder | Re-filter runs much slower on this old PC.
So much so that I've shelved the ideal for the suggested search method
by Roelof.

MAU It is my main tool to accomplish my daily work, like VA was in
MAU the past.

It kind of forces you up that learning curve. g

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Spoof on Download of the_bat.exe file

[Greg Strong]

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Hash: SHA1

Hello TBUL,

I'd just thought I'd let you know someone spoofed my download of
the_bat.exe version M tonight and tried to replace it with a 47K EXE
file with the same name.

I don't know if it is related, but IIRC ZAP fired up during the
download and the size and speed of the download were RED flags.

FWIW anyone who has no FW  AV minimum on the Internet is a fool. From
what I've read about the psychological makeup of this type of
individual, their motivation is that of power over their victims.

Just thought I'd let you know.

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Re: is there a way 'ignore thread' ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Charlie,

Sunday, June 2, 2002, 10:11:44 PM, you wrote:

CL if i see a topic or thread building that i'm not interested in, is
CL there a way to automatically delete them? I'm thinking of
CL something like Agent's 'ignore' function.

I use both Agent  VA, and sadly no ignore function. I know another
member of this list was working on a pseudo ignore capability with
TB!'s current feature set, but to date I haven't seen any posts. I
could have missed it.

Miguel have you given up on the pseudo ignore capability or did I miss
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Re: [OT] font Andale Mono

[Greg Strong]

Hello Rick,

Sunday, June 9, 2002, 3:07:48 PM, you wrote:

RR trying out the Andale Mono font which not only puts a 'dot' in the
RR middle of '0' numbers but also works great as a font for my
RR programming needs.

Where did you find/get such a font?

I looked under Options|Preferences|Viewer Tab with no luck.

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Re: Newsreader

[Greg Strong]

Hello Dierk,

Sunday, June 16, 2002, 2:11:38 AM, you wrote:

DH If you are happy with Opera, stay with it. If you want more from a
DH newsreader try Free Agent until you see the need for full
DH e-mailing and support of non-English characters, then go to Agent
DH and pay for it.

Free Agent 1.92 should be released very soon. It is in Beta right now.
It basically will be the same program as the purchased Agent with
functionality removed. If your interested see
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/roadmap.php.

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Re: newsreader

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jonathan,

Wednesday, June 19, 2002, 9:07:37 PM, you wrote:

JA Almost the same as Agent (the paid version), with the added bonus
JA of supporting multiple servers ;)

Yes the lack of multiple news servers is an issue which will be fixed
in version 2 according to Forte.  I only connect to 2 news servers, so
I just run multiple instances.  This is NOT a real problem.

I a relative new user of Agent.  I will say I can cover lots of
material with the download of headers, then download messages I want
to read.  From my use I would say it has lots of features which can be
customized.

When I decided to move on from VA which is an email client,
newsreader,  Compuserve Forum OLR, I decided to replace the
functionality with what I thought was the best in the market.  This is
how I ended up with Agent  TB!.  I thought I'd be able to grow with
them.  I'm sure others differ from this opinion, but everyone is
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Re: newsreader

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jonathan,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 9:21:39 AM, you wrote:

JA There are so many useful features in Agent, it makes it difficult to
JA learn them all.  The speed kill files are really useful, along with
JA proper support for scoring, and a nice filtering setup.

I saw Nick's reply on scoring.  I agree with him. I know of no such
feature unless you mean Priority for filters.

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Re: newsreader

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Hello Nick,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 11:02:25 AM, you wrote:

NA Agent supports scoring now? That is news to me, as it sure didn't
NA last time I used it, which is why I 'upgraded' to XNews. ;o)

The interesting thought on this discussion and similar ones in the
past is whether TB! will incorporate more news reader functionality
into future releases.  I've heard this may be the case, but I guess we
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Birthday Question on Boot?

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUL,

I received a dialog box from TB! on starting the program about
birthdays. If you don't select AB | Personal Tab | Birthday, how does
TB! know there is a birthday?

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Re: what is it 1.60qp3?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Tuesday, July 2, 2002, 2:30:27 AM, you wrote:

MAU That's hard coded in my signature, no macro. I'm actually
MAU using... what version am I using? ;-)

ROFLMAO!!!

MAU I decided I will not upgrade any further until there is an stable
MAU version. Where, to me, stable means it has not changed in a couple
MAU of months.

From my LIMITED experience with TB! it will be a long wait before the
version has NOT changed. g What can I say TB! is a good email
program. After all you the one who talked me into TB!. g

I can understand how you feel though. IIRC it was quite a while before
I saw an official message on what all the upgrades were for with 1.60.
I don't know about you, but I at least like to know what I'm upgrading
for.

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Re: what is it 1.60qp3?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Monday, July 8, 2002, 10:41:48 AM, you wrote:

MAU I see that 1.60q/Post5 has just been released :-(

I just upgraded to v1.60q/Post3 the other day.  Well after your
comment I looked at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/ and
saw tb160qp5.rar, but no qp4.  H! Probably a fix without a release.

In TBBUDL per message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I
now see official messages from Ritlabs on what tb160qp5.rar release
is for. If you want a new HTML engine, then try tb160qp5newhtml.rar
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know about
you, but I am VERY HAPPY to see this on a regular basis.

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Re: what is it 1.60qp3?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Allie,

Monday, July 8, 2002, 5:33:27 PM, you wrote:

ACM Premature announcements have led to unfortunate spread of these builds
ACM to people who make their public assessment with a more buggy version
ACM which was expected anyway.

I here you!  However I did mention TBBUDL in my message.
Unfortunately new users may not know this acronym stands for The Bat!
Beta User Discussion List.

Sorry!

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Re: what is it 1.60qp3?

[Greg Strong]

Hello Miguel,

Monday, July 8, 2002, 5:19:32 PM, you wrote:

MAU I never said I wasn't happy,

I agree, however you did express it with :-(

MAU I just said I will not upgrade... for the moment.

Why fix something that is not broken for you. However I've had a few
problems with my connection hanging, so I thought I would update and
see what happens.  I haven't posted the problem here because

1) I use ZAP 3.0.118.  ZAP hasn't caused problems in the past for my
TB! on Win98, but know others here have had problems.

2) Most if not all hanging connections have occurred when ZAP fires up
a warning when some low life is trying to get on my system.

I should start identifying in the ZAP log when these problems occur,
then post question on TBUDL.

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Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUDL,

I receive a Component Loading alert for NAVAPW32.EXE with the ZAP
3.0.133 on connection for email messages. I have since restored OS
partition to old ZAP 3.0.118 and the alert does NOT occur.

Anyone else having the same problem?

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Re: Component Loading ZAP 3.0.133 Alert /NAV 2002/TB!

[Greg Strong]

Hello Barry,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 3:25:19 AM, you wrote:

BH I was trying a 'demo' version of NAV and had the same problem you
BH describe but with version 3.0.118!

What OS do you use?

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Re: TB! Antivirus settings for NAV2002 - Total newbie

[Greg Strong]

Hello Ochrid,

Friday, July 12, 2002, 9:37:20 AM, you wrote:

O I use NAV 2002 and sent myself the eicar.com 'virus' .
O Norton did not sound the alarm.

Do you have email scanning ON? I use NAV 2002 with email scanning on
and works fine. It has caught 3 or 4 viruses in the last week. On in
coming mail do you see the mail icon in the tray? If no, then either
you have email scanning off, or you have unselected Display tray icon
when processing Email.

To turn email scanning on go to Options | Select Internet Email and
under What to scan select Scan incoming Email /or Scan outgoing
Email. To make sure it is working under What to do when scanning
Email select Display tray icon when processing Email.

If that doesn't do it, I suggest you contact Symantec at
http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/.

HTH!

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