Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Spurious SMS notifications

2009-12-24 Thread Howard Siegel
I've started getting new spurious SMS messages again.  The latest set of
messages started coming in yesterday evening.

- h

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 21:14, Mark McBride  wrote:

> We believe we've addressed this issue.  If you see any further SMSs or
> tweets please let me know.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Howard Siegel  wrote:
> > Just got my first errant SMS message today.  This one is from someone
> that I
> > am following.
> >
> > - h
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:15, mccv  wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, thanks for the info.  We have people working on this.
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 3:51 pm, Howard Siegel  wrote:
> >> > I've been getting errant SMS messages from Twitter for a few days,
> >> > though I
> >> > have not received any today (as yet).  I have turned on SMS only for
> DMs
> >> > and
> >> > none of these were DMs to me.  I have not yet actually verified that I
> >> > am
> >> > following all of the folks from whom I've gotten the errant SMSes
> >> > though.
> >> >
> >> > - h
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:02, Kee Hinckley 
> wrote:
> >> > > I am receiving spurious SMS notifications for tweets sent by people
> I
> >> > > am
> >> > > following, but do not have notifications turned on for. These are
> >> > > *not*
> >> > > retweets, I've even asked a couple of the original senders to check
> >> > > and see
> >> > > if the item had been retweeted, and the answer was no. Furthermore,
> I
> >> > > only
> >> > > have my account (@nazgul) set to receive text messages for about
> four
> >> > > users,
> >> > > and none of them retweeted these messages. Possibly related, I have
> a
> >> > > friend
> >> > > who turned off *all* phone notifications over a day ago, and is
> still
> >> > > getting random new text messages from people she follows but didn't
> >> > > set to
> >> > > send her notificationqs.
> >> >
> >> > > Examples:
> >> >
> >> > > I confirmed that these were not retweeted by anyone for whom I get
> >> > > notifications (or in one case, by anyone at all).
> >> >
> >> > >http://twitter.com/stevegarfield/status/6463021810
> >> > >http://twitter.com/daddyclaxton/status/6463935419
> >> >
> >> > > Others I haven't had a chance to investigate, but which it seems
> >> > > highly
> >> > > unlikely were retweeted by anyone who sends me notifications.
> >> > >http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/6500306267
> >> > >http://twitter.com/stoweboyd/status/6497224194
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>---Mark
>
> http://twitter.com/mccv
>


Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Spurious SMS notifications

2009-12-09 Thread Howard Siegel
Just got my first errant SMS message today.  This one is from someone that I
am following.

- h

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:15, mccv  wrote:

> Ok, thanks for the info.  We have people working on this.
>
> On Dec 9, 3:51 pm, Howard Siegel  wrote:
> > I've been getting errant SMS messages from Twitter for a few days, though
> I
> > have not received any today (as yet).  I have turned on SMS only for DMs
> and
> > none of these were DMs to me.  I have not yet actually verified that I am
> > following all of the folks from whom I've gotten the errant SMSes though.
> >
> > - h
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:02, Kee Hinckley  wrote:
> > > I am receiving spurious SMS notifications for tweets sent by people I
> am
> > > following, but do not have notifications turned on for. These are *not*
> > > retweets, I've even asked a couple of the original senders to check and
> see
> > > if the item had been retweeted, and the answer was no. Furthermore, I
> only
> > > have my account (@nazgul) set to receive text messages for about four
> users,
> > > and none of them retweeted these messages. Possibly related, I have a
> friend
> > > who turned off *all* phone notifications over a day ago, and is still
> > > getting random new text messages from people she follows but didn't set
> to
> > > send her notificationqs.
> >
> > > Examples:
> >
> > > I confirmed that these were not retweeted by anyone for whom I get
> > > notifications (or in one case, by anyone at all).
> >
> > >http://twitter.com/stevegarfield/status/6463021810
> > >http://twitter.com/daddyclaxton/status/6463935419
> >
> > > Others I haven't had a chance to investigate, but which it seems highly
> > > unlikely were retweeted by anyone who sends me notifications.
> > >http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/6500306267
> > >http://twitter.com/stoweboyd/status/6497224194
>


Re: [twitter-dev] Spurious SMS notifications

2009-12-09 Thread Howard Siegel
I've been getting errant SMS messages from Twitter for a few days, though I
have not received any today (as yet).  I have turned on SMS only for DMs and
none of these were DMs to me.  I have not yet actually verified that I am
following all of the folks from whom I've gotten the errant SMSes though.

- h

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:02, Kee Hinckley  wrote:

> I am receiving spurious SMS notifications for tweets sent by people I am
> following, but do not have notifications turned on for. These are *not*
> retweets, I've even asked a couple of the original senders to check and see
> if the item had been retweeted, and the answer was no. Furthermore, I only
> have my account (@nazgul) set to receive text messages for about four users,
> and none of them retweeted these messages. Possibly related, I have a friend
> who turned off *all* phone notifications over a day ago, and is still
> getting random new text messages from people she follows but didn't set to
> send her notificationqs.
>
> Examples:
>
> I confirmed that these were not retweeted by anyone for whom I get
> notifications (or in one case, by anyone at all).
>
> http://twitter.com/stevegarfield/status/6463021810
> http://twitter.com/daddyclaxton/status/6463935419
>
> Others I haven't had a chance to investigate, but which it seems highly
> unlikely were retweeted by anyone who sends me notifications.
> http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/6500306267
> http://twitter.com/stoweboyd/status/6497224194
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Problems getting other people's friend list or follower list

2009-11-03 Thread Howard Siegel

It would be useful to others if you posted more information about what
the solution was.

- h

On 2009-11-03, lane.montgomery  wrote:
>
> Problem solved.
>
> On Nov 3, 7:03 am, "lane.montgomery" 
> wrote:
>> Hi, just signed up for the forum and posting a new topic. Gotta love
>> people like me, but I really need the help.
>>
>> When I make a call to the API like this:
>>
>> $user1results = $to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/friends/
>> ids/'.$user1.'.json', array(), 'GET');
>>
>> or this:
>>
>> $user1results = $to->OAuthRequest('https://twitter.com/followers/
>> ids/'.$user1.'.json', array(), 'GET');
>>
>> and pass the $user1 variable from a form entry, no matter what it is,
>> it always returns MY username's friend list or follower list.
>>
>> Am I crazy, I thought you could request other people's info as long as
>> your account had access to that information on Twitter. But no matter
>> what I do, even hard-coding somebody's username in there, it still
>> only pulls my information.
>>
>> 7am and headed out to work, but I was up to 3am this morning working
>> on this to no avail. I really am stuck.
>>
>> Let me know if you want to help me but need more code examples. I am
>> using the standard OAuth library linked to from twitter's apikiwi by:
>> Abraham Williams (abra...@abrah.am)http://abrah.amif that helps any.
>>
>> Thanks to anybody for any assistance you can offer!
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Background

2009-09-13 Thread Howard Siegel
I don't know what the max dimensions are, but the picture will repeat
horizontally and vertically (though that might be configurable, but I set my
background image info a long time ago and don't remember all the details
right now).

- h

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 17:47, shapper  wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I need to create a custom Twitter background.
> What are the dimensions for it and the allowed maximum size or the
> size you advice?
>
> Does the background repeats horizontal and vertically?
>
> What are the options?
>
> Thanks,
> Miguel


[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter for a Library

2009-09-07 Thread Howard Siegel
You should get a "verified account" since they'll presumably want to be a
trusted provider of information.

- h

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 20:01, spyrrow  wrote:

>
> I need to set up a Twitter account for one of my clients, which is a
> public library. Anything I need to set up differently then what is
> provided on your "set up account" page?
>
> What would you suggest?
>
> Spyrrow
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Followers & Friends IDs Are Seriously MESSED Up!

2009-09-04 Thread Howard Siegel
There have been times when a friend or follower id has been reported
multiple times.  Did you check to see if any of the friend or follower ids
that you get back were duplicates?

- h

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 20:17, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:

>
> For @dewaldp I get, via the API social graph methods with paging:
> Friends: 764 , Followers: 3,977.
>
> While on my web profile the numbers are: Friends: 747 , Followers:
> 3,911.
>
> On Sep 4, 11:56 pm, Dewald Pretorius  wrote:
> > Not only do the social graph calls now suddenly, without any prior
> > warning of announcement, return only 5,000 ids, it is messed up even
> > when you do the paging as per the API documentation.
> >
> > Case in point. @socialoomph has 16,598 followers. If you page through
> > the follower ids with &page, you get only 12,017 entries.
> >
> > This is highly frustrating, and it has now completely screwed up my
> > follower processing. It does not help that Twitter has rolled out
> > something into production without any kind of testing, right before a
> > weekend.
> >
> > Dewald
>


[twitter-dev] Re: FW: Twitter is Suing me!!!

2009-08-11 Thread Howard Siegel
Not taking sides, here, but so far you are the only one that has reported
receiving the C&D letter.
How do you get from 1 instance of legal action to "Twitter's lawyers are
shutting down the third
party developer community"?

- h

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:56, Dean Collins  wrote:

>
> Does Twitter inc know that their lawyers are shutting down the third party
> developer community?
>
>
>


[twitter-dev] Re: 302s are NOT the solution

2009-08-09 Thread Howard Siegel
TCP/IP is the protocol underneath HTTP, is not a web service protocol and
requires a whole different method to manage and use connections.  Think of
it as the raw data pipe by which the HTTP protocol is used to communicate
between a client program (i.e. a web broswer) and the server program (i.e. a
web server).  It can not be used in the way that I seem to think you are
intending it to be used.

- h

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 17:30, Kyle Mulka  wrote:

>
> From Wikipedia:
> "Some upper layer protocols provide their own defense against IP
> spoofing. For example, Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) uses
> sequence numbers negotiated with the remote machine to ensure that
> arriving packets are part of an established connection. Since the
> attacker normally can't see any reply packets, he has to guess the
> sequence number in order to hijack the connection. The poor
> implementation in many older operating systems and network devices,
> however, means that TCP sequence numbers can be predicted."
>
> This seems to say that TCP could be used instead of HTTP 302s. Is
> there something I'm missing for why 302s are necessary here?
>
> --
> Kyle Mulka
> http://twilk.com
>
> On Aug 8, 10:45 pm, John Kalucki  wrote:
> > In a simplified sense, the redirect nullifies a pernicious class of
> > attack where the source IP address is forged. A redirect cannot be
> > followed with a false source address. The attacks that remain are
> > those where the source IP address is valid. You can then imagine other
> > techniques that than can be applied against valid IP addresses. And so
> > the problem is divided and ameliorated, but never fully solved.
> >
> > I'm going to push back for a second with some food for thought for
> > developers: The API is via HTTP. HTTP is a well defined protocol. 302
> > redirects are a valid and well worn part of the HTTP protocol.
> > Consider why applications are not built using fully HTTP compliant
> > libraries. This doesn't address all the problems that we're all
> > having, but it does address some.
> >
> > -John Kaluckihttp://twitter.com/jkalucki
> > Services, Twitter Inc.
> >
> > On Aug 8, 8:53 am, Kyle Mulka  wrote:
> >
> > > An attacker can just as easily follow a 302 as can a legitimate API
> > > developer or user of Twitter. I don't understand why Twitter thinks
> > > this is a solution to the problem. Please stop 302ing.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > > --
> > > Kyle Mulkahttp://twilk.com
>


[twitter-dev] Re: 302s are NOT the solution

2009-08-08 Thread Howard Siegel
I support them wholeheartedly and appreciate everything they've done to
thwart the DDOS attack.

While it is true that many of the tools used in the attack do not appear to
follow the 302s right now, you can be your bottom dollar that they will very
quickly be updated to do just that, perhaps even quicker than Twitter can
finish recovering from the attack and put in to place measures to better
survive future attacks.

At best it is a stopgap to get over the current attack.

- h

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 16:11, Fawkes  wrote:

>
> They can, but apparently they don't, otherwise Twitter wouldn't have
> used it as a tactic.  They're going through a very difficult time, we
> need to be patient and supportive of them!
>
> Dave
> http://twitter.com/DavidHaber
>
> On Aug 8, 8:53 am, Kyle Mulka  wrote:
> > An attacker can just as easily follow a 302 as can a legitimate API
> > developer or user of Twitter. I don't understand why Twitter thinks
> > this is a solution to the problem. Please stop 302ing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Kyle Mulkahttp://twilk.com
>


[twitter-dev] Re: oauth redirects fail....

2009-08-06 Thread Howard Siegel
If this has only been happening since this morning, then it is likely this
is just part of the aftermath of the DOS attack on Twitter.

- h

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 15:53, yuf  wrote:

>
> I have yet to get oAuth callbacks to work properly.  After clicking
> Allow, I end up on a completely blank twittter.com/oauth/authorize
> page.  If I try to look at the source, it asked if should resend.  If
> I do, the source comes back that contains the redirect.  But if I'm
> not looking at the source, the page just hangs for a while, and then
> ends up blank.
>
> What is up here?  I've tried a variety of callback urls, from
> localhost, to the actual domain I'm using for development.
>
> Any one experience similar?
>


[twitter-dev] Re: What Twitter account is used for important announcements?

2009-08-06 Thread Howard Siegel
Don't know if there is an @twitterstatus account, but there is the Twitter
Status Blog at http://status.twitter.com/.

- h


[twitter-dev] Re: Preventing Twitter from interpreting "@" characters

2009-07-30 Thread Howard Siegel
Which will destroy the URL. ;-O

- h

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:50, JDG  wrote:

> put a space after the @ sign?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 22:11, Bradley S. O'Hearne  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am trying to post a URL to a Twitter status that has a "@" character
>> in it. The problem is probably obvious -- anyone know how to prevent
>> Twitter from interpreting the "@" as a username?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Internets. Serious business.
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Adding tweets with a certain word them them to a feed on your site?

2009-07-27 Thread Howard Siegel
Yes, there are search widgets you can put in to the HTML for your website.
There are also plugins for the various blogging engines which will add a
twitter search box to a blog.

- h

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 02:48, DougMellon  wrote:

>
> Does anyone know of a way I could add tweets with a certain word in
> them to a feed on my site?  For example if there are tweets that have
> say "#somethinghere" in them.  If I search twitter for #somethinghere
> (#somethinghere) the list of tweets comes up.  Is it possible to get
> that list of tweets posted on my site?  This may be really confusing
> and if so let me know and ill try to word it another way.  Thanks in
> advance,
> Doug
>


[twitter-dev] Re: bug on "more" button

2009-07-27 Thread Howard Siegel
You only need to click on the "more" button once, like a hyperlink and
unlike an application icon.

Clicking on it twice, in rapid succession as you did, just tells the web
backend that you want to load the information and then load it again.

- h

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 22:00, Douglas Melo  wrote:

>
> Hello developers. I didn't find another way to talk to you that a find
> a bug on twitter.
> When you "double-click" on the button "more" to see more "messages",
> it shows the next messages and as it ends to load them, it loads them
> again. It seems to call two times the method to load asynchronously
> the message.
> I think I'm helping telling 'bout this. Maybe, twitter could have a
> bug area...don't know..=P
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Followers with time they followed

2009-07-19 Thread Howard Siegel
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 23:45, Stuart  wrote:

>
> 2009/7/19 niff :
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm trying to pull a list of followers, including the time they
> > started following.
> > I'm not sure what method should be used for this. Here's what I
> > thought about so far and didn't work.
> > - ids.xml (obviously not)
> > - followers.xml the more detailed one (still no info on the time)
> > - friendship exists (still no info on the time)
> >
> > Anyone can help with ideas for this. Is there a method or combination
> > of methods, or any idea, to get the time this follower started
> > following?
>
> There is no API call that reports the time a follower relationship was
> created. Last I heard Twitter don't actually record it at all, if they
> did I'd expect it to be shown on the main website which it's not.
>
> -Stuart
>  
>

Your followers on the twitter web site are (or at least were last time I
checked)
listed in descending order from the newest to the oldest follower.  Do they
just
keep the list in order or do they keep the time of follow internally and
then sort the
list in reverse chronological order when needed for display?

- h


[twitter-dev] Re: Should consumer token be kept secret?

2009-07-10 Thread Howard Siegel
There was just a long thread discussing these sorts of security issues.

The thread title is "Security Best Practices" and is at <
http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/45550d6cebf86051#
>

- h

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05, Grant Emsley  wrote:

>
> I'm almost ready to release a desktop app using OAuth.  It's written
> in Perl, so anyone can read the source.
>
> Should I remove my consumer token and secret and make people get their
> own?  Or is it safe to distribute?


[twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Live Event Beaming

2009-07-07 Thread Howard Siegel
Presumably you are going to use a hashtag for the tweets you want to
display.  If so, any twitter client that lets you track tweets with your
hashtag in real time would work for you.

- h

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 20:25, Juslin Guo  wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>
> I not sure if this is the place to ask this question. May i check does
> anyone know of a full-screen application/flash app/web-apps that allow
> me to beam on a projector/led screen live updates from twitter. I have
> an event where we would like to let the stadium audience twitter in.
>
> Regards
> Juslin
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Followers Count doesn't add up with the actual followers

2009-07-03 Thread Howard Siegel
Others have also noticed that some accounts show up multiple times in the
list of followers when retrieved via the API.  Not sure why that happens,
but it does.

- h

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:37, Tim  wrote:

>
> > Where
> > are the other 200 go ?
> To answer your questions, chances are that these 200 accounts have
> been disabled (probably for being spam accounts), but I noticed there
> are still counted in the number of followers.
>
> Tim
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Duplicate followers

2009-06-24 Thread Howard Siegel
Interesting.  Have no idea.  But then twitter has a lot of inconsistencies
like that.

BTW, 19293341 is also duplicated.

- h

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:20, jamiet  wrote:

>
> Hi,
> Newbie around here so apologies if this is re-hashing old ground.
>
> Does anyone know why I might get duplicates when requesting a user's
> followers? e.g. Head to http://twitter.com/followers/ids.xml?user_id=14
> and do a search for 8368622 - you'll notice that it appears twice!!
>
> Anyone know why?
>
> cheers
> Jamie
>


[twitter-dev] Re: My updates not apearing in the search of trend topics

2009-06-24 Thread Howard Siegel
Missing updates in Twitter Search is an ongoing issue that they have not
been
able to completely fix.  You can open a help ticket on the Twitter web site.

- h

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:11, Profulla K Sadangi wrote:

> Hi,
> I am currently using Twitter4J API to post some status message to Twitter.
> Initially I could able to see my message in the search topic pannel.  But
> since 2 day I am experiencing some isue. Even though I am posting message I
> am not able to see in the Search list (for ex I click "iPhone" trend).
>
> Can I check somewhere whether my account blocked or anything?
>
>
> I could able to see all message, and able to update the status normally.
>
> Thanks!
> Praful
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Sudden error while using API

2009-06-16 Thread Howard Siegel
Have you updated to the latest version of the framework which has been fixed
for the twitpocalypse (integer overflow of the status id values)?

- h

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 05:30, econn navjot  wrote:

>
> hello dear,
>
> i am making an C# application to update my twitter account using
> Twitterizer.Framework dll. it was working perfectly for last week, but
> suddenly from last two days its not working and giving below error.
> can anyone guide me the reason for the error and way to solve it.
>
>  Error Parsing Twitter
> Response.Twitterizer.Framework
>
> thanks in advance.
>
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Search problems for from:username searches

2009-06-05 Thread Howard Siegel
Doug,

I've been having a problem seeing my own tweets in search for quite a few
months, and I know my tweets were not showing up in a hashtag search at a
conference I was at a few weeks ago (which made it really hard to
participate in the conference's twitter conversation!).  I did file a help
ticket a while back and was basically put off by the response from support
(essentially it said "too bad, so sad") and they closed the ticket on me.  I
have not had the time nor patience to follow up on it, though, as I know
that my tweets are getting out since people do respond to them.  Would be
nice if my tweets showed in searches, though.

- h

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 08:20, Doug Williams  wrote:

> Please file a help ticket at http://help.twitter.com. @thecurrents tweets
> almost always have links that point back to the same source. This is
> normally indicative of spam which may explain why the account is no longer
> in search. The folks in support can help you take care issues like these.
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Barry Hess  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/f3859409fb05127c
>> --
>> Barry Hess
>> http://bjhess.com
>> http://iridesco.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:50 AM, bjhess  wrote:
>>
>>> We have had some users complain about not being able to find
>>> themselves on http://followcost.com.  I've dug into the code and it
>>> appears the failure is happening on queries to the search API of the
>>> form "from:username".
>>>
>>> A couple example queries that return zero results:
>>>
>>>  http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from%3A1918
>>>  http://search.twitter.com/search.json?q=from%3Athecurrent
>>>
>>> Yet clearly these users are active, and legitimate, Twitter users:
>>>
>>>  http://twitter.com/1918
>>>  http://twitter.com/thecurrent
>>>
>>> But sadly, is it that these users are not being indexed at all in the
>>> search DB?  I get zero results doing a simple from:username search for
>>> the same users:
>>>
>>>  http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3A1918
>>>  http://search.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Athecurrent
>>>
>>> These are just a couple examples.  Is it common for legitimate,
>>> upstanding Twitter users to be unindexed in the search DB?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Barry Hess
>>> http://followcost.com
>>> http://bjhess.com
>>
>>
>>
>


[twitter-dev] Re: Our own redirecting URL is being changed to a bit.ly URL

2009-05-20 Thread Howard Siegel

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 06:59, TjL  wrote:
>
> Your best bet (IMO) is to determine which service you want to use and
> shorten the links yourself. I started putting together a list of them
> not too long ago and came up with these:
>
> bit.ly
> xrl.us
> tr.im
> snipr.com
> tinyarro.ws
> tinyurl.com
> icanhaz.com
> budurl.com
>
> There are, no doubt, others.

is.gd


[twitter-dev] Re: Didn't someone do a "Show all followers and last tweet"?

2009-04-25 Thread Howard Siegel
Have you checked the Twitter Fan Wiki list of apps
http://twitter.pbwiki.com/Apps

- h

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 09:51, TjL  wrote:

>
> I've been trying without success to find a Twitter 3rd party app that
> I thought I saw awhile ago:
>
> Put in your username and it shows all your followers on one page with
> their icon and their latest update.
>
> Anyone know what it's called?
>
> I need to start bookmarking these Twitter services.
>
> TjL
>